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Calmador

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I'm gonna agree with Shouryu on this one.. and I'm speaking as someone who has done pretty much exactly what you described above lol. It's not a one-size fits all formula. I'm very happy with the choices I've made but I know it's not for every woman.
[SUP]Proverbs31: 27 [/SUP]She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.

Overall proverbs 31 shows a woman who at heart is a homemaker. Verse 27 exemplifies this. Granted, not every Christian man or woman wants to be a homemaker but this is how a Godly wife is shown in the bible.
 

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It's something I have to work on, but Calmador's posts often make me feel anything but calm.

[SUP]Proverbs31: 27 [/SUP]She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.

Overall proverbs 31 shows a Godly wife as a homemaker. Verse 27 exemplifies this. Granted, not every Christian man or woman wants to be a homemaker but this is how a Godly wife is shown in the bible. What's wrong with that? Or was something else bothering you?
 

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It's something I have to work on, but Calmador's posts often make me feel anything but calm.
The secret to that is inhaling deeply and exhaling completely.

Or you can try counting sheep.
 

Calmador

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The secret to that is inhaling deeply and exhaling completely.

Or you can try counting sheep.
You know I'm not perfect and I don't live a sinless life. But, I don't prance around denying it and nor do I pretend that what is clearly said in God's word isn't there. If you want to do that... great! I came into this thread to genuinely give advice and I think if you actually take the time to read the scriptures its easily seen that the advice I have was from God's word.

Titus 2:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.



You can have all the issues with me if you like... but you don't have to drag your personal issues with me and make them against God as-well. I meant nothing but goodwill with my posts.
 

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Titus 2:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

The Bible does not say that women must be confined to their homes alone. Paul himself was acquainted with Priscilla, a woman who was a tent-maker by profession. There are other "working women" in the Bible - women who did not merely sit at home doing household chores. Women have the choice to work or to be a homemaker. So your comment is invalid.

Personally, I prefer a woman who has a career. The only time when she will need to take a sabbatical is when we have a child. I also prefer a woman who is competitive in everything she does, to a fair extent. I would hate to be married to a push-over. I think it is good to have a life partner who challenges me to be at my best everytime and everywhere. :)
 

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Too bad the 5 minute edit rule elapsed, but here are more points ....

If you read Proverbs 31 there are many verses that point to a working woman who could balance her household chores -
v:16, "She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard." (She was an investor who invested in fields.)
(v:18, "She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night." (This woman was not only making good profits but she was even "burning the midnight oil" working.)
v:24, "She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes." (She was a saleswoman who sold handicrafts.)

Thus you see, Proverbs 31 itself talks about a working woman. So your comment that women must be homemakers is invalid.
 

Calmador

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The Bible does not say that women must be confined to their homes alone. Paul himself was acquainted with Priscilla, a woman who was a tent-maker by profession. There are other "working women" in the Bible - women who did not merely sit at home doing household chores. Women have the choice to work or to be a homemaker. So your comment is invalid.

Personally, I prefer a woman who has a career. The only time when she will need to take a sabbatical is when we have a child. I also prefer a woman who is competitive in everything she does, to a fair extent. I would hate to be married to a push-over. I think it is good to have a life partner who challenges me to be at my best everytime and everywhere. :)
Paul's acquaintance of a woman who was a tent-maker is beside the point. A wife who is a tent-maker could've easily been a proverbs 31 woman who was "busy at home" Titus 2:3-5 and[SUP] "[/SUP]watches over the affairs of her household" Proverbs 31:27.

I can tell that I explained myself badly. I don't think the scriptures support the idea that wives are confined to the home. You can see that the proverbs woman had a job herself. My mistake for using using the word home-maker. What I meant at heart is that a Godly wife is primarily to focus on the home and the needs of the household. That is what should happen according to scriptures... Your preference doesn't matter. I can prefer to lie... but, God's word says that's ungodly. Likewise a wife can prefer to not care about the household needs and she wouldn't be a wife of noble character.

What's your take on the verses below?

Proverbs 31 New International Version (NIV)

Sayings of King Lemuel

31 The sayings of King Lemuel—an inspired utterance his mother taught him.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Listen, my son! Listen, son of my womb!
Listen, my son, the answer to my prayers!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Do not spend your strength[SUP][a][/SUP] on women,
your vigor on those who ruin kings.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]It is not for kings, Lemuel—
it is not for kings to drink wine,
not for rulers to crave beer,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]lest they drink and forget what has been decreed,
and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let beer be for those who are perishing,
wine for those who are in anguish!
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.


[SUP]8 [/SUP]Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who are destitute.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character

[SUP]10 [/SUP][SUP][b][/SUP]A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]She makes linen garments and sells them,
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.


Titus 2:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
 

Lynx

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Well we knew it would happen sooner or later, given the title of this thread. Someone was bound to sneak over from the Bible Discussions forum and make it a "Women should stay at home" thread. :rolleyes: Unfortunately Calmador missed the verses in the psalm he quoted where the woman is buying a field, conducting trade, etc.


At any rate, I poked my nose in to mention that what Shouryu said a few pages ago, my pastor repeated in a sermon just yesterday. "We'll be driving after church, all of us hungry, and I'll ask "Where do we want to go?" "Doesn't matter." "Let's go to Taco Bell." "Nah, anything but that." "Okay, how about The Spot." "No, I'm not really up for that..."

YOU JUST SAID IT DIDN'T MATTER!
 

Lynx

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Nonetheless --- it is what God wants...

And that is the real issue.

There is nothing wrong with a husband helping his wife cook, clean, etc. ( And perhaps he should, at times, to help his wife - because he loves her. ); however, it is God-ordained that the woman be the 'home-maker'.

In general - I would say that - any "arrangement" that is agreeable between husband and wife - is probably O.K. -- except that they should not depart from the intent that God desires for each role in the family.

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It is God-ordained that a woman do the cooking? But the man is supposed to make the coffee, for as we all know, Hebrews.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone twisting the scripture to say it's a woman's job to cook. So if I get married I have to surrender the kitchen to her? That's it, I'm staying single forever. I like to cook too much to ever get married.
 
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personally, I find cooking for a woman to be an effective step in the woo'ing!
 

Roh_Chris

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I can tell that I explained myself badly. I don't think the scriptures support the idea that wives are confined to the home. You can see that the proverbs woman had a job herself. My mistake for using using the word home-maker. What I meant at heart is that a Godly wife is primarily to focus on the home and the needs of the household. That is what should happen according to scriptures... Your preference doesn't matter. I can prefer to lie... but, God's word says that's ungodly. Likewise a wife can prefer to not care about the household needs and she wouldn't be a wife of noble character.
So what you're implying is that if I like to take charge of the household needs and run the family my wife will go to hell.

Actually, being the head of the wife, I think God has given me the right to over-rule for godly reasons. I CAN tell my wife to go and catch up on some much-needed sleep while I cook dinner for the family. And she is not breaching God's Word for that. I CAN tell her that we will share the household responsibilities and nobody will take sole responsibility for anything. And she is not disobeying God's Word for doing that.

I think there is some romance that is waiting to be explored when we share household responsibilities ...
 

Calmador

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Well we knew it would happen sooner or later, given the title of this thread. Someone was bound to sneak over from the Bible Discussions forum and make it a "Women should stay at home" thread. :rolleyes: Unfortunately Calmador missed the verses in the psalm he quoted where the woman is buying a field, conducting trade, etc.


At any rate, I poked my nose in to mention that what Shouryu said a few pages ago, my pastor repeated in a sermon just yesterday. "We'll be driving after church, all of us hungry, and I'll ask "Where do we want to go?" "Doesn't matter." "Let's go to Taco Bell." "Nah, anything but that." "Okay, how about The Spot." "No, I'm not really up for that..."

YOU JUST SAID IT DIDN'T MATTER!
I'm usually hanging out here in the singles forum... not the Bible discussions.

Also, if you read my last post... I clarified myself and said it wasn't about wives not being able to work outside of the home. Here's what I said: "I can tell that I explained myself badly. I don't think the scriptures support the idea that wives are confined to the home. You can see that the proverbs woman had a job herself. My mistake for using using the word home-maker."

Your making assumptions of me.

Can you please tell me what the Proverbs 31 of noble character seems to be focused on? Can you also please specficially tell me what you think of these verses specifically:

Proverbs 31: [SUP]27 [/SUP]She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.


Titus 2:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

I don't see the wrong I've done so far. So, can you tell me what the above verses mean, relative to what were talking about? (A wife have a major focus on the home)
 

Calmador

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So what you're implying is that if I like to take charge of the household needs and run the family my wife will go to hell.

Actually, being the head of the wife, I think God has given me the right to over-rule for godly reasons. I CAN tell my wife to go and catch up on some much-needed sleep while I cook dinner for the family. And she is not breaching God's Word for that. I CAN tell her that we will share the household responsibilities and nobody will take sole responsibility for anything. And she is not disobeying God's Word for doing that.

I think there is some romance that is waiting to be explored when we share household responsibilities ...
I'm not implying anything about hell.

Whether you choose to or not to take charge of the household doesn't have anything to do with this. Its not you or what you can tell your wife what to do that is in question.

The focus of all this is what a wife of noble character does? Whether a husband tells her to take a break or not... I think, according to God's word, that a wife of noble character would want to be greatly concerned with house-hold needs. Proverbs 31 shows this and so do these specific verses...

Proverbs 31: [SUP]27 [/SUP]She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.


Titus 2:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

What is your take on the verses I mentioned, relative to what were talking about?
 
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Sooo... you guys are going to hijack this thread and turn it into a debate?
 

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Don't look now Ugly, but it done already happened. >.>
 
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I'm a home-maker, and that there Proverbs 31 woman scares the bejeebers outta me, so...

I just sit on my backside and eat bon bons and watch soap operas all day.
 
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I'm a home-maker, and that there Proverbs 31 woman scares the bejeebers outta me, so...

I just sit on my backside and eat bon bons and watch soap operas all day.
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