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I don't believe in salvation by works either. I also believe salvation(eternal life) is by grace through faith. Your next(last) sentence is a contradiction.
Well actually you have not said what you believe in except what your "church" tells you.

Cassian of course you may post your opinions & private interpretations of theology without bothering to quote the scripture (not "It is written" as the Lord did). Perhaps you feel good for asserting, but it is really of little value, for you don't prove from the Bible. It would appear that you prefer Sola Cassiana to Sola Scriptura.

It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Sola Cassiana is a very correct interpretation of his "belief" or whatever he Calls it. And as far sola scriptura, since he doesn't believe in its authority he cannot quote a single verse for his defence. He can only say what his "church" says...marionette controlled by the church.
 

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That "book" is the Word of God. Which means um...it's God's Word given us in written form. Because the Bible is God's Word means it has authority over anything man says.
I believe that but sola scripturist think that it is just a source of ideas to develop whole new ideas and concepts of what it means. After all there are hundreds of them. Based on your philosophy, every one of them are equal in value and all are valid for that persons' salvation.

And I showed you Scripture yet you deny it obviously because you don't believe the Bible has authority.
How can you believe scripture has authority. You say that scripture is ones only source for truth and faith. Yet it has produced hundreds of differing ideas, concepts, doctrines. It clearly shows man is imposing his own authority over a text and denying Christ/Holy Spirit has any authority.

So I guess your whole belief system is based upon what your "church" says is truth. You rely on man not God for truth so no matter what Scripture I post to you, you will deny. You are a marionette with your strings controlled by your "church" nothing more.
to the contrary. I rely upon Christ and the Holy Spirit. It was the Holy Spirit that gave that Revelation, ONCE. Some of it was written and Christ is preserving that Gospel within His Body. Since the Church is Christ I do rely upon His authority and the preservation of the Gospel by the Holy Spirit.

What I deny is man made interpretations. Do you think that the Holy Spirit is preserving Lutheranism, or Calvinism, or the gospel of Jehovah Witnesses, and the other hundreds? They are all based on scripture.

Does your "church" read from the Bible?
Our entire Liturgy is copious with scripture. It has been from the beginning. There have only been three Liturgies in the Church and all three are still being used today. In fact, the first was written by James before the first letter of the NT ever written. Do you think it is uninspired because it is not based on scripture? Do you think all the Christians of the first century got it all wrong because all what became Canon was not completed until the end of the first century. What it really means is that you have no faith in either Christ or the Holy Spirit to keep His promises.

I notice that you have yet to give any evidence that scripture is authoritative as all sola scripturist claim. Where does it state in scripture that the Bible alone is the source of Truth?

You keep creating all these strawmen and keep knocking them down.
 

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I believe that but sola scripturist
You are sola Cassianaist, as nothing you said was scripture. Just you going on & on.

What I deny is man made interpretations.
Then why do you go on giving them?
If God had given us not only the Bible, but a 2nd book that interprets the Bible, people would then be disagreeing on the interpretation of the interpretations.

My sheep hear my voice. (John 10) You have an anointing (1 John).

Really Cassian, I doubt that 1 percent of the readers here care a diddle about your non-scriptural pontifications, except that they care about you with Christian love, the fruit of the Spirit.

Your epistemology is sand. You claim that the Bible isn't the authority because people disagree on interpreting it, thus your opinions should be used instead of the Bible itself! Whatever difficulty persons may have understanding God's word, it sure beats taking your fallacious opinions as the standard & interpreting you.
 

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Re: ONLY BELIEVE!

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

[All them who believer, rules out any other thing essential besides believe.]

for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.

[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]

[EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES rules out anything essential added to faith.]

For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
 

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I still don't know how must work must be done to be save?

How about a group of high rank Catholic officer doing sex party. The institution that teach work is requirement for salvation doing opposite of what they teach.

They teach church is pillar of the truth kill and rape a girl. Why our beloved catholic brother and sister trust this kind of institution? What is the reason to trust this institution as the only true church, Peter successor?


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I still don't know how must work must be done to be save?
then you don't know what it is to be saved by grace....
and you will ask... how?
and I will say ...it is through faith
and you will say ...what do you mean
and I will say ...Jesus requires those who believe in him to take action to enter into the kingdom....
you must be born again to see the kingdom...
you must be born of water and the spirit to enter into the kingdom....
some don't know the kingdom exist...let alone see it or enter...

then you will start all over again ...that is a work...how much work must I do to be saved...
and I will tell you...we are saved by grace.....without faith you cannot enter into his grace....and faith without works is dead...
 
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I believe that but sola scripturist think that it is just a source of ideas to develop whole new ideas and concepts of what it means. After all there are hundreds of them. Based on your philosophy, every one of them are equal in value and all are valid for that persons' salvation.

How can you believe scripture has authority. You say that scripture is ones only source for truth and faith. Yet it has produced hundreds of differing ideas, concepts, doctrines. It clearly shows man is imposing his own authority over a text and denying Christ/Holy Spirit has any authority.

to the contrary. I rely upon Christ and the Holy Spirit. It was the Holy Spirit that gave that Revelation, ONCE. Some of it was written and Christ is preserving that Gospel within His Body. Since the Church is Christ I do rely upon His authority and the preservation of the Gospel by the Holy Spirit.

What I deny is man made interpretations. Do you think that the Holy Spirit is preserving Lutheranism, or Calvinism, or the gospel of Jehovah Witnesses, and the other hundreds? They are all based on scripture.

Our entire Liturgy is copious with scripture. It has been from the beginning. There have only been three Liturgies in the Church and all three are still being used today. In fact, the first was written by James before the first letter of the NT ever written. Do you think it is uninspired because it is not based on scripture? Do you think all the Christians of the first century got it all wrong because all what became Canon was not completed until the end of the first century. What it really means is that you have no faith in either Christ or the Holy Spirit to keep His promises.

I notice that you have yet to give any evidence that scripture is authoritative as all sola scripturist claim. Where does it state in scripture that the Bible alone is the source of Truth?

You keep creating all these strawmen and keep knocking them down.
The more you say the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what "sola Scriptura" means. First of all sola Scriptura DOES NOT deny Christ or the work of the Holy Spirit. That's just part of you showing your ignorance.

And it still amazes me that you believe that the Bible has no authority.
 
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The more you say the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what "sola Scriptura" means. First of all sola Scriptura DOES NOT deny Christ or the work of the Holy Spirit. That's just part of you showing your ignorance.

And it still amazes me that you believe that the Bible has no authority.
Your bassackwards comment was pure gold. The contradictory and silly things he's putting forth are the likes of no church of repute I've ever heard of, the closest he comes are the heretic and Bible burning days of Catholicism, where scripture was only for the high panjamdrums of the "church." He's a silly, repetitive inflamer, talks like a duck and walks like a duck, species troll. Maybe starving the beast is best?
 

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Your bassackwards comment was pure gold. The contradictory and silly things he's putting forth are the likes of no church of repute I've ever heard of, the closest he comes are the heretic and Bible burning days of Catholicism, where scripture was only for the high panjamdrums of the "church." He's a silly, repetitive inflamer, talks like a duck and walks like a duck, species troll. Maybe starving the beast is best?
When one has no substance then all that is left is nonsubstantive, meaningless rhetoric.
 

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then you don't know what it is to be saved by grace....
and you will ask... how?
and I will say ...it is through faith
and you will say ...what do you mean
and I will say ...Jesus requires those who believe in him to take action to enter into the kingdom....
you must be born again to see the kingdom...
you must be born of water and the spirit to enter into the kingdom....
some don't know the kingdom exist...let alone see it or enter...

then you will start all over again ...that is a work...how much work must I do to be saved...
and I will tell you...we are saved by grace.....without faith you cannot enter into his grace....and faith without works is dead...
1. so you believe save by grace through faith Am I correct brother?

2. Do you believe human can produce good deed by itself?



3. Who get credit for the good deed? vine or branch?

4. You sound like catholic brother, you emphasize on water baptism. If a man accept the Lord and die before even going water baptism or bear fruit, is he save?

5. Do you think the catholic high rank officer who is i believe the group that decide church catechism rape and kill a girl, is still doing work and go to heaven because they obey to be water baptism? Do you believe they water baptism save them from sin?

What is the role of water baptism in this group of leader ?
 

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The more you say the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what "sola Scriptura" means. First of all sola Scriptura DOES NOT deny Christ or the work of the Holy Spirit. That's just part of you showing your ignorance.

And it still amazes me that you believe that the Bible has no authority.
then why do you take a text, exclude the original meaning and develop hundreds of ideas from that text? You have no faith that Christ can keep His promise to never forsake His Body, the one He established with the Apostles, nor any faith that the Holy Spirit can preserve His Gospel.
You have yet to produce any evidence that the Church has ceased to exist from the beginning, nor have you given any evidence of any change in that ONCE given Gospel from the beginning. All that you have stated is strawmen rhetoric because you have no substantive evidence to the contrary of what I have been saying.

You have yet to show any evidence also that scripture has authority as a text. You have not shown that even scripture is the sole standard for Truth, let alone the sole standard of Truth.
 
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Just what do you mean by baptism, Kenneth?

By using the Greek letters moved into English you are not giving the meaning.

I have given the Greek word and its meaning a number of times.
Baptizo is the Greek word used in Matthew 28 and Mark 16. When you look at the definition it says;

Original Word: βαπτίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: baptizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)
Short Definition: I dip, submerge, baptize
Definition: lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize

907 baptízō – properly, "submerge" (Souter); hence, baptize, to immerse (literally, "dip under"). 907 (baptízō) implies submersion ("immersion")
 

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If you all want to add your "accomplishments" whether it be by "water" baptism or by any works you do then that's on you. It's not only non Biblical but it's not truth. You take God and reduce Him to fit in your box to what you want. You are not God and you never will be. Nothing you do will save you, add to your righteousness or bring you closer to God.
What is unbiblical is to equate "works of righteousness" with water baptism.
 
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1. so you believe save by grace through faith Am I correct brother?

2. Do you believe human can produce good deed by itself?



3. Who get credit for the good deed? vine or branch?

4. You sound like catholic brother, you emphasize on water baptism. If a man accept the Lord and die before even going water baptism or bear fruit, is he save?

5. Do you think the catholic high rank officer who is i believe the group that decide church catechism rape and kill a girl, is still doing work and go to heaven because they obey to be water baptism? Do you believe they water baptism save them from sin?

What is the role of water baptism in this group of leader ?
so you don't believe saved by grace through faith?...there is no need to go any further.... it does not what else you believe...
 
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then why do you take a text, exclude the original meaning and develop hundreds of ideas from that text? You have no faith that Christ can keep His promise to never forsake His Body, the one He established with the Apostles, nor any faith that the Holy Spirit can preserve His Gospel.
You have yet to produce any evidence that the Church has ceased to exist from the beginning, nor have you given any evidence of any change in that ONCE given Gospel from the beginning. All that you have stated is strawmen rhetoric because you have no substantive evidence to the contrary of what I have been saying.

You have yet to show any evidence also that scripture has authority as a text. You have not shown that even scripture is the sole standard for Truth, let alone the sole standard of Truth.
First of all I am not avoiding this question as I have already posted Scripture to you on this subject but you disregarded it all.

Second how can you believe the Bible is the Word of God yet say it has no authority? This is the conundrum you got yourself into.
 
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then why do you take a text, exclude the original meaning and develop hundreds of ideas from that text? You have no faith that Christ can keep His promise to never forsake His Body, the one He established with the Apostles, nor any faith that the Holy Spirit can preserve His Gospel.
You have yet to produce any evidence that the Church has ceased to exist from the beginning, nor have you given any evidence of any change in that ONCE given Gospel from the beginning. All that you have stated is strawmen rhetoric because you have no substantive evidence to the contrary of what I have been saying.

I never once said there was a time the church didn't exist. I never once said the Gospel ever changed.

The Gospel of Christ was, is and always ever will be the same. The truth in the Bible, the very Word of God, was is and always will be the same.

Do you know what the church is? The church, which Christ is the head of, consists of ALL of those who believe in the death and ressurection of Christ. All TRUE Christians, no matter what denomination, are in that Church. The true Church of Christ is not limited to your or any other "man made" denomination.

What you are doing is stating that ONLY your church is the true church of Christ. (The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing). You also state that your church has authority over the written Word of God thus putting your "leaders" in more authority to state truths than God. (The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing). You rely more on man than you do the Holy Spirit for guidance. (The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing).
 

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First of all I am not avoiding this question as I have already posted Scripture to you on this subject but you disregarded it all.

Second how can you believe the Bible is the Word of God yet say it has no authority? This is the conundrum you got yourself into.
Not a conumdrum for me but it is for you.

For me I believe that Christ/Holy Spirit is Truth. Scripture is NOT the source of Truth. Scripture is a witness not only the Truth, Christ, but also a witness to the revelation given to man.

For me the authority of scripture lies in the giver and preserver of that Gospel, not the text itself. It is the power of Christ with the Holy Spirit that has preserved it unchanged for 2000 years within His Body. Outside of His Body the Holy Spirit has no power to control the whims of man. Over history that has been difficult enough within the Body, since all heretics have been members of the Body. You still have not given any evidence that either Christ or the Holy Spirit failed on either of those promises. The gospel has been and remains unified as Christ is unified with the Father.

There is no mass confusion, division, chaos as shown in the sola scriptura melieu. A confusion that makes scripture null and void of its Truth.


On the other hand the sola scripturist acknowledges that the text, called the Bible is the sole source of faith and practice.
However, as history clearly portrays, scripture is NOT what has authority but man over scripture. They use the text to develop their own ideas and establish a whole new meaning to most of the text. This is clearly shown by the first two reformers. They are not even close to any unity on any teaching of scripture. Clearly scripture does not have enough authority to give forth the same meaning to everyone. Beyond Calvin there have been hundreds more who have imposed their authority over a text and developed their unique gospels.
So, where is the authority of scripture? I'll let you explain your conumdrum.
 
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Not a conumdrum for me but it is for you.

For me I believe that Christ/Holy Spirit is Truth. Scripture is NOT the source of Truth. Scripture is a witness not only the Truth, Christ, but also a witness to the revelation given to man.

For me the authority of scripture lies in the giver and preserver of that Gospel, not the text itself. It is the power of Christ with the Holy Spirit that has preserved it unchanged for 2000 years within His Body. Outside of His Body the Holy Spirit has no power to control the whims of man. Over history that has been difficult enough within the Body, since all heretics have been members of the Body. You still have not given any evidence that either Christ or the Holy Spirit failed on either of those promises. The gospel has been and remains unified as Christ is unified with the Father.

There is no mass confusion, division, chaos as shown in the sola scriptura melieu. A confusion that makes scripture null and void of its Truth.


On the other hand the sola scripturist acknowledges that the text, called the Bible is the sole source of faith and practice.
However, as history clearly portrays, scripture is NOT what has authority but man over scripture. They use the text to develop their own ideas and establish a whole new meaning to most of the text. This is clearly shown by the first two reformers. They are not even close to any unity on any teaching of scripture. Clearly scripture does not have enough authority to give forth the same meaning to everyone. Beyond Calvin there have been hundreds more who have imposed their authority over a text and developed their unique gospels.
So, where is the authority of scripture? I'll let you explain your conumdrum.
Do you base your belief off of what God tells us through His Word, the Bible, or do you base your belief off what your "church" teaches you?
 

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then why do you take a text, exclude the original meaning and develop hundreds of ideas from that text? You have no faith that Christ can keep His promise to never forsake His Body, the one He established with the Apostles, nor any faith that the Holy Spirit can preserve His Gospel.

You have yet to produce any evidence that the Church has ceased to exist from the beginning, nor have you given any evidence of any change in that ONCE given Gospel from the beginning. All that you have stated is strawmen rhetoric because you have no substantive evidence to the contrary of what I have been saying.
I never once said there was a time the church didn't exist. I never once said the Gospel ever changed.

The Gospel of Christ was, is and always ever will be the same. The truth in the Bible, the very Word of God, was is and always will be the same.
But your Gospel is constituted ONLY in a text that you devoid of it original meaning as given in the beginning. Your statement is correct, but you have not given any evidence that what you believe has been the Gospel from the beginning. If the Gospel has not changed why do we have Lutherans, Calvinist, Wesleyians and the list goes on. They do not hold to an unchanging gospel. In fact, of the two first reformers, not much of what they wrote, taught is believed the same way today. For Calvin, his own student departed from his teachings as he gave them, all based on scripture.

Do you know what the church is? The church, which Christ is the head of, consists of ALL of those who believe in the death and ressurection of Christ. All TRUE Christians, no matter what denomination, are in that Church. The true Church of Christ is not limited to your or any other "man made" denomination.
That is a protestant philosophical statement. However, the Church I am referring to IS Christ. His established Church with the Apostle as the foundation. How many of all those hundreds of differing gospels would say the same thing, including Mormons.
Can you prove that the Church of Christ, the one He founded reverted to a denomination? Another Protestant phenomenon.

What you are doing is stating that ONLY your church is the true church of Christ. (The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing). You also state that your church has authority over the written Word of God thus putting your "leaders" in more authority to state truths than God.
Quite the contrary. Because you don't understand scripture regarding I Tim 3:15. Christ as Head cannot be separated from His Body. The Holy Spirit works within and through that Body to preserve both the Body and the Gospel entrusted to it. When it says that the Church is of the Living God, the ground and pillar of Truth, it is NOT referring to individual men. So, yes, my Church, Christ Himself does have authority over his own gospel. The Church has ONLY one leader, Christ. Scripture does not give any indication of more leaders.



(The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing). You rely more on man than you do the Holy Spirit for guidance. (The Jehovahs Witness which are a cult do the same thing).
When you can prove that the Church that Christ established no longer exists in this world, then you can make such statements. When you can show that the Holy Spirit failed in preserving the Gospel, you also might have a point.

But until then it might behoove you to become a Berean and actually check out all those claims by churches that are all post reformation. You can also include the RC to check if they still hold to the original Gospel.

For the most part you added nothing new. You are transposing your man made interpretation/paradigm against the actual Truth and it will sink everytime.
 
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