Christ was tempted LIKE as we are, but He never desired or was tempted to do evil.
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I see 5 colored insertions made by you that the verse does not say....you really should change your name to Mr. Twisty which is what you do best to the word of God.
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Like I said Mr. Twisty....how about take the word of God literal instead of twisting it away because it contradicts your erroneous view....Go translate it from Hebrew and it means exactly what it states.....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. Of course this will be twisted by Mr. Twisty and or ignored or the wording changed or not applied unto Jesus....he is good at that and preaches a different Jesus than what the bible teaches!
In other words<-----I don't need you opinion as I have the word of God which trumps your view.....Jesus learned to CHOOSE as he had to make a CHOICE......so keep rejecting truth which is par for the course with you!
Let us compare....
The Word of God states......
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
The Word of Jason (A.K.A) Mr. Twisty and exactly what Satan did in the garden (added to the word)
"Butter and honey [God's Law] shall he eat [study and learn], that he [Jesus] may know [Have knowledge] to refuse the evil, and choose the good [According to the Scriptures]."
It is obvious who you follow by your addition to the word that contradicts your dogma!
Not to mention your view contradicts the word as Jesus IS the WORD that CAME to be FLESH......!
In other words<-----I don't need you opinion as I have the word of God which trumps your view.....Jesus learned to CHOOSE as he had to make a CHOICE......so keep rejecting truth which is par for the course with you!
Let us compare....
The Word of God states......
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
The Word of Jason (A.K.A) Mr. Twisty and exactly what Satan did in the garden (added to the word)
"Butter and honey [God's Law] shall he eat [study and learn], that he [Jesus] may know [Have knowledge] to refuse the evil, and choose the good [According to the Scriptures]."
It is obvious who you follow by your addition to the word that contradicts your dogma!
Not to mention your view contradicts the word as Jesus IS the WORD that CAME to be FLESH......!
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The reason why He was not like any of us, is because even though He was tempted just like we are tempted. He held the sin at bay and did not let it control Him and His walk. None of us can say that same thing, we were all once controlled by sin. Jesus never was, He controlled the sin, not the sin controlling Him.
We have been controlled by sin, and still sin arises in our life and sometimes we give into it and sometimes we do not.
That is the big difference, we were controlled by sin at one point in life. Jesus never was.
First, the name calling does not prove anything or help to show you are a true Christian. For we are to pray and love even our enemies and to do good to those who despitefully use us. Second, let's look at a version of how some folks here might interpret this passage.
Isaiah 7:15
"Butter and honey [Real butter and honey] shall he eat, that he may know [how] to refuse the evil, and choose the good [because he struggles or wrestles with choosing good and in refusing evil]."
First off all, are we to believe that by just eating butter and honey will help our Lord to know how to refuse evil and choose the good? That doesn't make any sense. Eating a certain food is not going to help to guide me morally. Second, the passage does not specifically say Jesus struggles or wrestles in choosing good and in refusing evil. That must be inserted into the text.
GOD can refuse evil and choose good. Not because God has free will to potentially do evil, but because He is Holy and incapable of sinning. God is Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners, just as Jesus is (Hebrews 7:26); Because Jesus is God.
Isaiah 7:15
"Butter and honey [Real butter and honey] shall he eat, that he may know [how] to refuse the evil, and choose the good [because he struggles or wrestles with choosing good and in refusing evil]."
First off all, are we to believe that by just eating butter and honey will help our Lord to know how to refuse evil and choose the good? That doesn't make any sense. Eating a certain food is not going to help to guide me morally. Second, the passage does not specifically say Jesus struggles or wrestles in choosing good and in refusing evil. That must be inserted into the text.
GOD can refuse evil and choose good. Not because God has free will to potentially do evil, but because He is Holy and incapable of sinning. God is Holy, undefiled, and separate from sinners, just as Jesus is (Hebrews 7:26); Because Jesus is God.
More added words and you still twist the truth by your additions.....
The Word of God states......
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
He learned to be obedient by the things which he suffered.
And don't be so offended as that is the nick name I choose to give you....you do have nick names right for family members, friends maybe pets.....so...get a little skin Jason and mature a bit so you wont be so easily offended!
The Word of God states......
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
He learned to be obedient by the things which he suffered.
And don't be so offended as that is the nick name I choose to give you....you do have nick names right for family members, friends maybe pets.....so...get a little skin Jason and mature a bit so you wont be so easily offended!
No, Jesus was not controlled by sin because He was without sin and did not know sin.
Hebrews 4:15 says "We have... an high priest... WITHOUT sin."
2 Corinthians 5:21 says, "He... who KNEW NO SIN."
1 Peter 2:22 says, "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."
Hebrews 7:26 says, "an high priest.... who is HOLY, harmless, UNDEFILED, and SEPARATE from sinners.
1 John 3:5 says, "And IN HiM IS NO SIN."
Hebrews 4:15 says "We have... an high priest... WITHOUT sin."
2 Corinthians 5:21 says, "He... who KNEW NO SIN."
1 Peter 2:22 says, "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."
Hebrews 7:26 says, "an high priest.... who is HOLY, harmless, UNDEFILED, and SEPARATE from sinners.
1 John 3:5 says, "And IN HiM IS NO SIN."
First, I am not your pet or a close family member; And if you were loving with your family you would realize the difference between giving them a nickname that was insultng versus giving them one that was in affection (that they would agree with).
Second, emphasizing those portions of the text and ignoring the context and the rest of the Scripture does not make your interpretation anymore true. For anyone can take a word or verse out of context in the Bible. Scripture has to be compared with Scripture, my friend.
Third, I already explained Isaiah 7:15. So there is no use in going over that one again. As for the other passage: I will attempt to address that one in my next post to you.
May God bless you.
And please be well.
Second, emphasizing those portions of the text and ignoring the context and the rest of the Scripture does not make your interpretation anymore true. For anyone can take a word or verse out of context in the Bible. Scripture has to be compared with Scripture, my friend.
Third, I already explained Isaiah 7:15. So there is no use in going over that one again. As for the other passage: I will attempt to address that one in my next post to you.
May God bless you.
And please be well.
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And here are more verses:
What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Did Not Have A Sin Nature?
What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Did Not Have A Sin Nature?
Hebrews 4:15 - For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin = knew no sin = in him is no sin = who did no sin which is how he STAYED holy, harmless, undefiled and separate from sinners = refused evil and chose to do good - scripture fits together like a hand in a glove!
Now if Jesus wasn't TRULY tempted [tested] in ALL things like we are then he wouldn't be able to be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses . . . That whole verse then becomes a lie . . .
Now if Jesus wasn't TRULY tempted [tested] in ALL things like we are then he wouldn't be able to be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses . . . That whole verse then becomes a lie . . .
1 John 3:5 says there was no sin IN Him. Jesus says if a person looks at another in lust, they have committed adultery with that person in their heart. In other words, a person can commit the sin of adultery in their heart. These are thoughts. Jesus did not have bad or sinful thoughts in contemplating in doing evil and then refusing to do it.
Jesus was Perfect and Holy. Adam was not. For...
~ Adam was created as a living soul.
~ Jesus was the Lord from Heaven.
~ Adam was good but Adam was not perfect and holy because He sinned and was just a man with the free will to do evil.
~ Jesus was good but Jesus was perfect and holy because Jesus is God and does not have the capacity to sin.
The Scriptures say God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then you must conclude that Jesus cannot be tempted by evil.
It's pretty simple.
~ Adam was created as a living soul.
~ Jesus was the Lord from Heaven.
~ Adam was good but Adam was not perfect and holy because He sinned and was just a man with the free will to do evil.
~ Jesus was good but Jesus was perfect and holy because Jesus is God and does not have the capacity to sin.
The Scriptures say God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then you must conclude that Jesus cannot be tempted by evil.
It's pretty simple.
If you believe that, then "Luck or Chance" is one's God versus Jesus being God (Who is Holy and perfect and incapable of sin because He is God). For the moment one says, "Jesus could have potentially done evil or failed" involves the roll of a dice. If there was no chance whatsoever Jesus could have sinned or failed, then there is no "Chance" involved.
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