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Angela53510

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so any way.... we can all agree we are in the end times correct? now we can study the scriptures on our own however as good as this is considering the different beliefs and doctrines we all have we need to at least find some key points that we all can agree on. Now I have been studying bible prophecy for a while and something I have found all over the bible in both the new and old testament is the day of the Lord. what do you all think about the day of the Lord? where is it in the tribulation the beginning middle or end and are we going to be here when this comes? Are we to be taken away or simply protected?

Nope! Not agreed this is the end times. Now it may be, or it may not be! Until those over 4000 people groups are reached with the gospel, this whole end times thing is a no go for me.

Besides, North Americans has it so good, it has resulted in complacency in the church. I believe Jesus said:

"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Eph. 5:27

Too many spots and wrinkles in today's church, is my opinion!
 

Blain

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Nope! Not agreed this is the end times. Now it may be, or it may not be! Until those over 4000 people groups are reached with the gospel, this whole end times thing is a no go for me.

Besides, North Americans has it so good, it has resulted in complacency in the church. I believe Jesus said:

"That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Eph. 5:27

Too many spots and wrinkles in today's church, is my opinion!
Angela you don't have to believe the times we are in but the gospel has been preached to the entire world via internet t.v. and evangelists going to countries like africa or something teaching and preaching the gospel. have you studied bible prophecy at all? I mean how can you say we are not in the end times if you haven't even studied bible prophecy?
 

Jackson123

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[h=1]Matthew 24:14New International Version (NIV)[/h]14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


I believe now the gospel did preach to all nation.

Preach doesn't mean being accepted. I don't believe if there is a nation not hear the gospel yet. A lot of them did not accepted but they know about the gospel.
 

Timeline

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Acts 1:8
but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”


Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

Romans 10:18
But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.”
 

Jackson123

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Acts 1:8
but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”


Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

Romans 10:18
But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.”

What is you point brother, You believe in Paul time the bible has been preached to all nation?
 

JesusLives

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"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." Matt 24:14

Seems to me like the answer is here in this verse. The question then becomes How close are we to this verse being fulfilled? Is it done yet? How close to being done? Who has not heard the gospel message? What are we as individuals doing about getting that message out to people and leading them to Jesus?

I do believe that we are very close to this being done and that we are in the end times. We do not know the day or the hour but this verse tells us when Jesus will come just not when. Now is the time for each of us to prepare our hearts to meet the Lord. Are we ready? Things will get a whole lot worse before they get better as the Bible states there will be a Time of Trouble such as never was, but those saved would have nothing to fear as Perfect Love Casts out All Fear.

Our time should be spent getting ourselves right with God and leading others to do the same. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

Timeline

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What is you point brother, You believe in Paul time the bible has been preached to all nation?
Yes, I do. I don't believe that there was much delay in any words that Jesus spoke. I know that bothers most Christians, mainly because they think: 1) That I am saying that we can no longer be saved - Which I am certainly not; 2) That I am saying that prophecy was fulfilled spiritually when it was intended to be physically fulfilled - I believe that it was physically and spiritually fulfilled, but that the spiritual fulfillment outweighs the physical fulfillment.

I do not believe that we are waiting for "the abomination of desolation" and I don't believe that Jesus meant the "end of the physical earth", but was speaking of the end of an era. I believe that the new heavens and the new earth represent the new covenant, which was brought in by Jesus Christ and delivered (so to speak) to the world through the mouths of the Apostles and the Church.

When Jesus died and rose from the grave, conquering death, he tore down the "dividing wall" that separated the Israelite from the Gentile. And now, instead of being born into "the physical kingdom" through a physical birth, we can choose to be born into the Spiritual Kingdom through the Spiritual Baptism in the Holy Spirit. We are in the New!

And just to be clear, I don't believe that we will stay on earth forever, but we will go to heaven or hell based on our decision to accept Jesus Christ or to deny Him.

I also acknowledge my humanity and the ability to be incorrect, so I do not insist that I am right and I pray for understanding. I just see too many scriptures that seem to suggest immediate fulfillment. I am also aware of 2 Peter 3, but I do not agree with the common interpretation of these scriptures either.


Matt 24:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


Matt 24:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. [SUP]6 [/SUP]You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. [SUP]10 [/SUP]At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. [SUP]14 [/SUP]This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! [SUP]20 [/SUP]But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Behold, I have told you in advance. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; [SUP]33 [/SUP]so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, this generationwill not pass away until all these things take place. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. [SUP]37 [/SUP]For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]40 [/SUP]Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. [SUP]41 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. [SUP]44 [/SUP]For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]“Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? [SUP]46 [/SUP]Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ [SUP]49 [/SUP]and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; [SUP]50 [/SUP]the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, [SUP]51 [/SUP]and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

John 19:28
After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, *said, “I am thirsty.”
 

Timeline

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No, I don't understand...But I have faith in God. I don't think that the Bible says much of anything about the end of the physical world. And I don't believe that the Bible tells us much about what we can expect in Heaven.

God is Perfect, Loving, and Just and Heaven is beyond my comprehension.
 

Timeline

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While I am at it, I will go ahead and admit that I don't really get John 19:28 because, it seems to me, that a few more things were left to be accomplished. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ being one of them. Maybe one of our Greek scholars can shed some light on this. :)
 

Blain

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well there are certainly some interesting opinions on the end times, but if we were to say we are not then what do we make of the signs? actually first who here recognizes the signs and do you see the scriptures that predicted them playing out in todays every day life?
 

Bookends

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The rapture will only be a secret to those who are unsaved. They already have no knowledge of Spiritual things so it's nothing new or earth shaking in that respect.

The rapture is a church specific event. All the church living and dead will be gathered together with the Lord and the saints already taken from Abrahams bosom. We will return with Christ when He comes in all His glory at the end of the tribulation. This will be an Israel specific event. Jesus is returning to Jerusalem for His people Israel. He will make the advent they expected the first time.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm afraid my friend that Jesus had the perfect opportunity to be their earthly king, but Jesus, not the Jews, turned it down. He's not interested in an earthly kingdom, but a spiritual one.

John 6:15
New American Standard Bible
So Jesus, perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone.
 

Bookends

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there are specific events that happened are happening and are about to happen that indicate we are in the last days. we seem to have a lot of talk about the end times and I figured why not have a thread specifically about the end times? I will share what I know about the end times and hopefully ppl who do not want to go into heated debate but like me simply want to share and post info to help others and ourselves to understand the times we are living in. I am sure there will be debates but honestly I am hoping for this to be a thread where we post info about the times we are living in whether that is something in the news, a vision or dream concerning it, scripture or whatever you think could help others understand the time we are living in.

I will start with an event that happened early in my faith. see I have always wanted to spend a day with Jesus in heaven, just 24 hours. I knew all the thing I wanted to do with him and I knew that I would learn so much from him as I fully intended to sit at his feet and be taught. well I spoke with him often about this and I sat down on my floor next to my bed and asked him lord can I even have this day with you? no sooner had I asked this an angel appeared in front of me and said yes you can! suddenly I was ascending going upward I didn't know what was happening all I knew was I was going to Jesus. this was my first full out vision and when it ended I had no idea what just happened. I had never heard of the rapture and didn't even know what it was so I just kept waling in my faith and only when I became interested in the end times did I finally realize what had happened that fateful day.

I don't have many visions but God is very generous with dreams, I have had countless rapture dreams and I have seen events that are to happen in the future but I do not rely on my dreams or visions to confirm the study of end times I have to look at events happening in these days and in the past days and research scripture to see if anything fits and lots have.

For instance the blood moon tetrad. acts:2:20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the LORD arrives.

Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Genesis 1:14-19 - “14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
the blood moon tetrads are amazing but what is even more amazing is they all four happen on Jewish feast days also known as God's appointed times if I recall correctly the blood moons land on passover and tabernacle.

Jesus also predicted that in the end times men would be lovers of themselves and not follow sound doctrine, well we see this quite often don't we? not only do ppl have a mind that says me me me I want I want I want but ppl don't follow sound doctrine much do they? sound doctrine often times corrects us, convicts us and reveals our weaknesses, our flaws that need changing and our darkness within us. ppl want to hear the prosperity gospel, they want to hear things that make them feel good they seek ear tickling preaching and that is what a majority of preachers preach these days and especially on youtube.

I go on youtube a lot and I have seen what a majority of these ppl do and say. there are ppl who call themselves a watchmen on the wall, oh they have lots of dreams and visions about how close the rapture is, how they can just feel its time to go home how they love to encourage their viewers to hold on its almost time. but I also have seen the ppl who watch them, they are always seeking a new vision a new dream to assure them the rapture is close that the tribulation is near. But Jesus said a wicked generation seeks a sign and that my friends is what we have we have a generation that not only seeks sign after sign but they forget all about seeking the lord in an intimate relationship and all they think pray and talk about is the rapture is going home is the end times. Yes even Jesus said to be excited and watchful but he also made it very clear that out heart our eyes our focus should be on God and to continue the work Jesus did and left for us to do.


I study the end times and many others do so this is why I made this thread but always remember who should be our main focus
Blain, referring to what I highlighted in Red above, I ask you this, who was Jesus talking about? Matthew 16:

16 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’;3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites![a] You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times.4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet[b] Jonah.”And He left them and departed.
[h=3][/h]
 

Bookends

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#33
there are specific events that happened are happening and are about to happen that indicate we are in the last days. we seem to have a lot of talk about the end times and I figured why not have a thread specifically about the end times? I will share what I know about the end times and hopefully ppl who do not want to go into heated debate but like me simply want to share and post info to help others and ourselves to understand the times we are living in. I am sure there will be debates but honestly I am hoping for this to be a thread where we post info about the times we are living in whether that is something in the news, a vision or dream concerning it, scripture or whatever you think could help others understand the time we are living in.

I will start with an event that happened early in my faith. see I have always wanted to spend a day with Jesus in heaven, just 24 hours. I knew all the thing I wanted to do with him and I knew that I would learn so much from him as I fully intended to sit at his feet and be taught. well I spoke with him often about this and I sat down on my floor next to my bed and asked him lord can I even have this day with you? no sooner had I asked this an angel appeared in front of me and said yes you can! suddenly I was ascending going upward I didn't know what was happening all I knew was I was going to Jesus. this was my first full out vision and when it ended I had no idea what just happened. I had never heard of the rapture and didn't even know what it was so I just kept waling in my faith and only when I became interested in the end times did I finally realize what had happened that fateful day.

I don't have many visions but God is very generous with dreams, I have had countless rapture dreams and I have seen events that are to happen in the future but I do not rely on my dreams or visions to confirm the study of end times I have to look at events happening in these days and in the past days and research scripture to see if anything fits and lots have.

For instance the blood moon tetrad. acts:2:20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the LORD arrives.

Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Genesis 1:14-19 - “14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
the blood moon tetrads are amazing but what is even more amazing is they all four happen on Jewish feast days also known as God's appointed times if I recall correctly the blood moons land on passover and tabernacle.

Jesus also predicted that in the end times men would be lovers of themselves and not follow sound doctrine, well we see this quite often don't we? not only do ppl have a mind that says me me me I want I want I want but ppl don't follow sound doctrine much do they? sound doctrine often times corrects us, convicts us and reveals our weaknesses, our flaws that need changing and our darkness within us. ppl want to hear the prosperity gospel, they want to hear things that make them feel good they seek ear tickling preaching and that is what a majority of preachers preach these days and especially on youtube.

I go on youtube a lot and I have seen what a majority of these ppl do and say. there are ppl who call themselves a watchmen on the wall, oh they have lots of dreams and visions about how close the rapture is, how they can just feel its time to go home how they love to encourage their viewers to hold on its almost time. but I also have seen the ppl who watch them, they are always seeking a new vision a new dream to assure them the rapture is close that the tribulation is near. But Jesus said a wicked generation seeks a sign and that my friends is what we have we have a generation that not only seeks sign after sign but they forget all about seeking the lord in an intimate relationship and all they think pray and talk about is the rapture is going home is the end times. Yes even Jesus said to be excited and watchful but he also made it very clear that out heart our eyes our focus should be on God and to continue the work Jesus did and left for us to do.


I study the end times and many others do so this is why I made this thread but always remember who should be our main focus
Highlighted in red is seems to me you are suggesting that we should not be seeking after a sign. But earlier in your piece, highlighted in green, you said you prayed for a sign, seems hypocritical to me.
 

Bookends

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#34
there are specific events that happened are happening and are about to happen that indicate we are in the last days. we seem to have a lot of talk about the end times and I figured why not have a thread specifically about the end times? I will share what I know about the end times and hopefully ppl who do not want to go into heated debate but like me simply want to share and post info to help others and ourselves to understand the times we are living in. I am sure there will be debates but honestly I am hoping for this to be a thread where we post info about the times we are living in whether that is something in the news, a vision or dream concerning it, scripture or whatever you think could help others understand the time we are living in.

I will start with an event that happened early in my faith. see I have always wanted to spend a day with Jesus in heaven, just 24 hours. I knew all the thing I wanted to do with him and I knew that I would learn so much from him as I fully intended to sit at his feet and be taught. well I spoke with him often about this and I sat down on my floor next to my bed and asked him lord can I even have this day with you? no sooner had I asked this an angel appeared in front of me and said yes you can! suddenly I was ascending going upward I didn't know what was happening all I knew was I was going to Jesus. this was my first full out vision and when it ended I had no idea what just happened. I had never heard of the rapture and didn't even know what it was so I just kept waling in my faith and only when I became interested in the end times did I finally realize what had happened that fateful day.

I don't have many visions but God is very generous with dreams, I have had countless rapture dreams and I have seen events that are to happen in the future but I do not rely on my dreams or visions to confirm the study of end times I have to look at events happening in these days and in the past days and research scripture to see if anything fits and lots have.

For instance the blood moon tetrad. acts:2:20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the LORD arrives.

Isaiah 13:10
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Genesis 1:14-19 - “14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
the blood moon tetrads are amazing but what is even more amazing is they all four happen on Jewish feast days also known as God's appointed times if I recall correctly the blood moons land on passover and tabernacle.

Jesus also predicted that in the end times men would be lovers of themselves and not follow sound doctrine, well we see this quite often don't we? not only do ppl have a mind that says me me me I want I want I want but ppl don't follow sound doctrine much do they? sound doctrine often times corrects us, convicts us and reveals our weaknesses, our flaws that need changing and our darkness within us. ppl want to hear the prosperity gospel, they want to hear things that make them feel good they seek ear tickling preaching and that is what a majority of preachers preach these days and especially on youtube.

I go on youtube a lot and I have seen what a majority of these ppl do and say. there are ppl who call themselves a watchmen on the wall, oh they have lots of dreams and visions about how close the rapture is, how they can just feel its time to go home how they love to encourage their viewers to hold on its almost time. but I also have seen the ppl who watch them, they are always seeking a new vision a new dream to assure them the rapture is close that the tribulation is near. But Jesus said a wicked generation seeks a sign and that my friends is what we have we have a generation that not only seeks sign after sign but they forget all about seeking the lord in an intimate relationship and all they think pray and talk about is the rapture is going home is the end times. Yes even Jesus said to be excited and watchful but he also made it very clear that out heart our eyes our focus should be on God and to continue the work Jesus did and left for us to do.


I study the end times and many others do so this is why I made this thread but always remember who should be our main focus
A lot of the false religions started like this, with a vision or dream. Why should we believe you and not Joseph Smith or Ellen J. White??

I think seeking after a sign of this caliper is very dangerous and opens up the mind for demonic activity or self-induced imaginary hallucinations. You know Blain, Jesus also says blessed is he who believes without a sign.

John 20:29
New American Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
 
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While I am at it, I will go ahead and admit that I don't really get John 19:28 because, it seems to me, that a few more things were left to be accomplished. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ being one of them. Maybe one of our Greek scholars can shed some light on this. :)

John 19:28 is referring to what Jesus came here to accomplish.
He came here to give us forgiveness of sins by giving His life in place of ours for those sins, giving us a way to be reconciled to God that our sins made us enmity to Him. Becoming the perfect sacrifice for those sins, and taking the punishment for us. This goes along with verse 30;

Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.” When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind—the debt of sin.

 

Blain

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#36
A lot of the false religions started like this, with a vision or dream. Why should we believe you and not Joseph Smith or Ellen J. White??

I think seeking after a sign of this caliper is very dangerous and opens up the mind for demonic activity or self-induced imaginary hallucinations. You know Blain, Jesus also says blessed is he who believes without a sign.

John 20:29
New American Standard Bible
Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
book ends you can choose to believe me or not it doesn't really matter I was merely saying what happened to me it is not to prove anything because like I said I don't rely on my visions and dreams to know about the end times I go to scripture and compare it to every day events and this method has worked very well thus far. and as for you above post saying how it seems like I am saying we should not be seeking a sign I believe you misunderstand I never said we should not be watching for the signs but to constantly be seeking sign after sign instead of doing research and seeking God is when we must realize what has taken place as our main focus.
 

john832

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John 19:28 is referring to what Jesus came here to accomplish.
He came here to give us forgiveness of sins by giving His life in place of ours for those sins, giving us a way to be reconciled to God that our sins made us enmity to Him. Becoming the perfect sacrifice for those sins, and taking the punishment for us. This goes along with verse 30;

Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.” When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind—the debt of sin.

Christ was speaking of the particular work He was given to do as a man on earth, not all things for all times...

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
 
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Angela you don't have to believe the times we are in but the gospel has been preached to the entire world via internet t.v. and evangelists going to countries like africa or something teaching and preaching the gospel. have you studied bible prophecy at all? I mean how can you say we are not in the end times if you haven't even studied bible prophecy?
It is not scriptural mankind must complete world evangelism in the first place, speaking of prophecy,

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.
 

john832

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It is not scriptural mankind must complete world evangelism in the first place, speaking of prophecy,

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.
What, exactly, do you mean by this comment. It seems ambiguous to me.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Christ was speaking of the particular work He was given to do as a man on earth, not all things for all times...

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Exactly, for there are a lot of people that have been taught and in their reading of scripture have misused the verse, "It is finished, " to mean that all things are done and nothing else is left. All prophecy is fulfilled, try to say Revelation has already happened, and even go as far as saying we don't even need to repent any more.