Does this verse still hold true

[Mitspa]

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

2 Kepha 3:15-16, "...Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."


Paul took a Nazerite vow in Acts 24:
Acts 21:24 concerning Shaul (Paul) -

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Do you think your making a point by cherry picking certain scriptures and ignoring the clear text that tell us in absolute terms we (Spirit filled believers) have been set free from the law of Moses? Your just trying to affirm something that is in complete contradiction to the gospel.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[Jason0047]

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Yes they can, they can see that the great Law of Love composed of two Great Commandments, Love God and Love your neighbor, is composed of the Ten Commandments.

How does this do away with the Ten Commandments?

First, the Law of Moses is not composed of just 10 Commandments. There are many other commands given in the Law of Moses; And there are even more Commands in the New Testament. So please stop referring to the 10 Commandments as if they are the only laws in the universe. Only 9 out of the 10 Commandments have been repeated in the New Covenant for us to obey amongst the 1,050 + Commands in the New Testament. Many of the OT Laws have been changed. So the OT Law is no longer binding. For there is no more animal sacrifices. No more Aaronic priesthood. No more eye for an eye. No more just eating clean animals. No more circumcision. No more Saturday Sabbath, because we can worship God every day (See Romans 14).

Second, the Sabbath is not a moral Law and it does not apply to Romans 13:8-10. For how exactly is keeping the Sabbath loving your neighbor? How does that benefit them if you do it on Saturday versus say Sunday?

 

[Brainfreeze]

What you say is right but then you use it to ignore... It seems

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

2 Kepha 3:15-16, "...Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."


Paul took a Nazerite vow in Acts 24:
Acts 21:24 concerning Shaul (Paul) -

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Matthew 7:14 -Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


1 John 2:6 - He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Galatians 5:16 - [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[Hizikyah]

Ro 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

You twisting Scripture

proof:

You quote, " For Christ is the end of the law"

The word END there is "telos";

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

So if you want to translate it end in Romans 10:4 you must also translate it end in the other places it is used;

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result (telos) of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Which is it?

the end (telos) of the Lord

or

the ultimate result (telos) of the Lord

 

[Hizikyah]

Matthew 7:14 -Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


1 John 2:6 - He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Galatians 5:16 - [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Scripture interprets Scripture;

1 John 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

 

[Mitspa]

You twisting Scripture

proof:

You quote, " For Christ is the end of the law"

The word END there is "telos";

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

So if you want to translate it end in Romans 10:4 you must also translate it end in the other places it is used;

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result (telos) of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Which is it?

the end (telos) of the Lord

or

the ultimate result (telos) of the Lord

lol I quoted the KJV and end means end... words have meaning.

 

[Hizikyah]

lol I quoted the KJV and end means end... words have meaning.

Will you please quote James 5:11 and 1 Peter 1:9, you said end means end. So please go ahead.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 10:4 (KJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:4 (ASV) For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ro 10:4 (BBE) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who has faith.
Ro 10:4 (DBY) For Christ is [the] end of law for righteousness to every one that believes.
Ro 10:4 (Filip) Sapagka't si Cristo ang kinauuwian ng kautusan sa ikatutuwid ng bawa't sumasampalataya.
Ro 10:4 (MKJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (MNT) For to every believer Christ is an end of law as a means of righteousness.
Ro 10:4 (NKJV) For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (Oracl) For Christ is the end of the law for justification to every believer.
Ro 10:4 (RST) ïîòîìó ÷òî êîíåö çàêîíà--Õðèñòîñ, ê ïðàâåäíîñòè âñÿêîãî âåðóþùåãî.
Ro 10:4 (RSV) For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.
Ro 10:4 (RVG04) Porque el fin de la ley es Cristo, para justicia a todo aquel que cree.
Ro 10:4 (SRV18) Porque el fin de la ley [es] Cristo, para [dar] justicia a todo aquel que cree.
Ro 10:4 (TCNT) For Christ has brought Law to an end, so that righteousness may be obtained by every one who believes in him.
Ro 10:4 (WEB) For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Ro 10:4 (WNT) For as a means of righteousness Christ is the termination of Law to every believer.
Ro 10:4 (YLT) For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to every one who is believing,

 

[Hizikyah]

The word END there is "telos";

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

 

[Hizikyah]

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

 

[Brainfreeze]

Scripture interprets Scripture;

1 John 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked. Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

Your doing a bait and switch here Hizi, it says commandments, (statues) not laws...

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 6:14 (KJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (ASV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (BBE) For sin may not have rule over you: because you are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (DBY) For sin shall not have dominion over *you*, for ye are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (Filip) Sapagka't ang kasalanan ay hindi makapaghahari sa inyo: sapagka't wala kayo sa ilalim ng kautusan, kundi sa ilalim ng biyaya.
Ro 6:14 (MKJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under Law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (MNT) For sin shall not lord it over you; for you are not under the rule of law, but under the rule of grace.
Ro 6:14 (NKJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (Oracl) Besides, sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under law, but under favor.
Ro 6:14 (RST) Ãðåõ íå äîëæåí íàä âàìè ãîñïîäñòâîâàòü, èáî âû íå ïîä çàêîíîì, íî ïîä áëàãîäàòüþ.
Ro 6:14 (RSV) For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (RVG04) Porque el pecado no se enseñoreará de vosotros; pues no estáis bajo la ley, sino bajo la gracia.
Ro 6:14 (SRV18) Porque el pecado no se enseñoreará de vosotros; porque no estáis debajo de la ley, sino debajo de la gracia.
Ro 6:14 (TCNT) For Sin shall not lord it over you. You are living under the reign, not of Law, but of Love.
Ro 6:14 (WEB) For sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (WNT) For Sin shall not be lord over you, since you are subjects not of Law, but of grace.
Ro 6:14 (YLT) for sin over you shall not have lordship, for ye are not under law, but under grace.

 

[Mitspa]

Your doing a bait and switch here Hizi, it says commandments, (statues) not laws...

Is that bearing false witness? I think it is? HOW MANY COMMANDMENTS DID THE PHARISEES BREAK CLAIMING THEY WAS TRYING TO UPHOLD THE LAW OF MOSES?

 

[Hizikyah]

Ro 6:14 (KJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (ASV) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (BBE) For sin may not have rule over you: because you are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (DBY) For sin shall not have dominion over *you*, for ye are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (Filip) Sapagka't ang kasalanan ay hindi makapaghahari sa inyo: sapagka't wala kayo sa ilalim ng kautusan, kundi sa ilalim ng biyaya.
Ro 6:14 (MKJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under Law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (MNT) For sin shall not lord it over you; for you are not under the rule of law, but under the rule of grace.
Ro 6:14 (NKJV) For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (Oracl) Besides, sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under law, but under favor.
Ro 6:14 (RST) Ãðåõ íå äîëæåí íàä âàìè ãîñïîäñòâîâàòü, èáî âû íå ïîä çàêîíîì, íî ïîä áëàãîäàòüþ.
Ro 6:14 (RSV) For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (RVG04) Porque el pecado no se enseñoreará de vosotros; pues no estáis bajo la ley, sino bajo la gracia.
Ro 6:14 (SRV18) Porque el pecado no se enseñoreará de vosotros; porque no estáis debajo de la ley, sino debajo de la gracia.
Ro 6:14 (TCNT) For Sin shall not lord it over you. You are living under the reign, not of Law, but of Love.
Ro 6:14 (WEB) For sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under law, but under grace.
Ro 6:14 (WNT) For Sin shall not be lord over you, since you are subjects not of Law, but of grace.
Ro 6:14 (YLT) for sin over you shall not have lordship, for ye are not under law, but under grace.

Next chapter:

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

and please if you want to debate about the Law of Yahweh please start a thread because this is supposed to be mainly about; (no problem to get off track a bit but your not even commenting )on any verses I post just posting yours and then not even replying to my reply.

Does this verse still hold true? Or is this "OT" and done away?

Proverbs 15:29, "Yahweh is far from the wicked, but He hears the prayer of the righteous."

 

[Mitspa]

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Yes Love others as He has loved us...this is the only way to fulfill the law.

 

[Hizikyah]

Your doing a bait and switch here Hizi, it says commandments, (statues) not laws...

No sir;


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entolé: an injunction, order, command
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Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

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entolé: an injunction, order, command
​

Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.


With all that said.... forget that,

Scripture interprets Scripture;

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes Love others as He has loved us...this is the only way to fulfill the law.

And how did He love us?

According to the law of the USA?

the law of China?

the law of the Moabites?

No, He loved us according to the Law of Yahweh.

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Psalm 119:142-144, "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, because Your Law is the truth! Trouble and anguish have overtaken us, but Your Laws are our delights. The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting, giving us understanding, so we may live,"

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

 

[Mitspa]

And how did He love us?

According to the law of the USA?

the law of China?

the law of the Moabites?

No, He loved us according to the Law of Yahweh.

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Psalm 119:142-144, "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, because Your Law is the truth! Trouble and anguish have overtaken us, but Your Laws are our delights. The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting, giving us understanding, so we may live,"

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

He loved us by not judging us by the law of Moses,...but giving us grace and saving us by faith.

Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

 

[Hizikyah]

What is written on the heart of the follower of Messiah?

Scripture says the Torah.

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

That is why in the Kingdom of Yahweh they sing the song of the Lamb and the song of Mosheh;

Revelation 15:3, "And they sing the Song of Mosheh, the servant of Yahweh, and the Song of the Lamb, saying: Great and marvelous are Your works, Father Yahweh Almighty! Just and true are Your ways, O King of saints!"