Do You Celebrate Christmas?
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J
You said that He did not speak Hebrew...
...but we know that He did at times. Also, when He read the following which was written in Hebrew...
Luke chapter 4
[15] And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
[16] And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
[17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
...He had to of at least understood Hebrew in order to read the same and it's highly unlikely that He translated the same into another language for His hearers which would mean that they would have understood the Hebrew language as well.
Don't get me wrong...there are instances in the gospel accounts where Jesus clearly spoke in Aramaic and that might have been the language which He spoke most frequently, but it would be pretty much unimaginable to assume that Jesus didn't also regularly speak Hebrew and Greek as well. I mean, people like the Roman centurion whom Jesus conversed with and Pontius Pilate more than likely spoke Greek and we read nothing of an interpreter being employed during such direct conversations. Furthermore, I think that the inscription which Pilate had placed atop Jesus' cross is rather revealing:
"And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS." (Luke 23:38)
To me, such a superscription is highly indicative of the languages which were being spoken in that region during the time of Jesus and I find it highly unlikely that Jesus wasn't fluent in them all.
Anyhow, just a little diversion from the endless "Christ Mass" debate...
...but we know that He did at times. Also, when He read the following which was written in Hebrew...
Luke chapter 4
[15] And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
[16] And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
[17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
...He had to of at least understood Hebrew in order to read the same and it's highly unlikely that He translated the same into another language for His hearers which would mean that they would have understood the Hebrew language as well.
Don't get me wrong...there are instances in the gospel accounts where Jesus clearly spoke in Aramaic and that might have been the language which He spoke most frequently, but it would be pretty much unimaginable to assume that Jesus didn't also regularly speak Hebrew and Greek as well. I mean, people like the Roman centurion whom Jesus conversed with and Pontius Pilate more than likely spoke Greek and we read nothing of an interpreter being employed during such direct conversations. Furthermore, I think that the inscription which Pilate had placed atop Jesus' cross is rather revealing:
"And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS." (Luke 23:38)
To me, such a superscription is highly indicative of the languages which were being spoken in that region during the time of Jesus and I find it highly unlikely that Jesus wasn't fluent in them all.
Anyhow, just a little diversion from the endless "Christ Mass" debate...
Why such a hate for hebrew language, Ive never seen anyone say that over greek.
Hebrew was not a "dead language" (as was thought of for quite some time). A good source of information on the latter is "Biblical Archaeology Review" (BAR) magazine. BAR has had articles in the past few years on digs that have unearthed documents from around the first century written in Hebrew, including legal documents and one woman's personal diary."
1. Recent Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) shows secular documents written at that time concerning "current events" (i.e., not just copies of old religious texts.) indicating Hebrew was a "living" language. There are several books on the Dead Sea Scrolls available. Contact YashaNet for recommendations if interested.
2. Jewish coins found from that era are minted with Hebrew text on them.
3. A study of the writings of the Christian "Church Fathers" shows that much of the "New Testament" was written in Hebrew. This includes direct statements made by; Papias, Ireneus, Origin, Eusubius, Epiphaneus, Jerome and Clement of Alexandria.
4. The prominent first century historian Josephus wrote in both his books, Antiquities and Wars, that Hebrew was the language of first century Jews and that they did not know Greek. (In fact there is a Jewish tradition saying it is better to eat swine than learn Greek.)
Also there is a legit Hebrew version of Mattithyah that is definitely more accurate than the greek version.
Acts 26:14, "And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me, and saying in the Hebrew (Hebraidi Ἑβραΐδι) language: Shaul, Shaul, why do you persecute Me? Fierce are you with the unruled prodding rod!"
Hebrew was not a "dead language" (as was thought of for quite some time). A good source of information on the latter is "Biblical Archaeology Review" (BAR) magazine. BAR has had articles in the past few years on digs that have unearthed documents from around the first century written in Hebrew, including legal documents and one woman's personal diary."
1. Recent Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) shows secular documents written at that time concerning "current events" (i.e., not just copies of old religious texts.) indicating Hebrew was a "living" language. There are several books on the Dead Sea Scrolls available. Contact YashaNet for recommendations if interested.
2. Jewish coins found from that era are minted with Hebrew text on them.
3. A study of the writings of the Christian "Church Fathers" shows that much of the "New Testament" was written in Hebrew. This includes direct statements made by; Papias, Ireneus, Origin, Eusubius, Epiphaneus, Jerome and Clement of Alexandria.
4. The prominent first century historian Josephus wrote in both his books, Antiquities and Wars, that Hebrew was the language of first century Jews and that they did not know Greek. (In fact there is a Jewish tradition saying it is better to eat swine than learn Greek.)
Also there is a legit Hebrew version of Mattithyah that is definitely more accurate than the greek version.
Acts 26:14, "And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me, and saying in the Hebrew (Hebraidi Ἑβραΐδι) language: Shaul, Shaul, why do you persecute Me? Fierce are you with the unruled prodding rod!"
J
I'm assuming that you're making such comments as the ones above in order to denounce what you called the "Hebrew movement people". If so, then that's not really a discussion that I'm interested in. I will say this, however:
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:8-10)
Seeing how God has redeemed people unto Himself out of EVERY TONGUE, I'm quite confident that He understands and speaks all languages.
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)
Again, I'm quite confident that when "EVERY TONGUE confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" that God won't require an interpreter.
Good night.
"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:8-10)
Seeing how God has redeemed people unto Himself out of EVERY TONGUE, I'm quite confident that He understands and speaks all languages.
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11)
Again, I'm quite confident that when "EVERY TONGUE confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" that God won't require an interpreter.
Good night.
With all due respect kayla, there is very little solid evidence that points to a Dec. 25th birth. And you're right, I can't speak for what would pleas Jesus. but tell me, how would you feel if people decided to start celebrating your birthday on Bin Laden's birthday and said it was all meant to honor you?
K
With centuries of difference between? It wouldnt matter.If my birthday was on Hitlers birthday it would make no difference to me.More and more research is being done on when Christ was born.As I put in an earlier post it is possible Christ was born close to what we celebrate as Christmas.I will post more on this later as it is morning now and I should get some beauty rest,for I certainly need every minute I can get!
I can speak for what pleases Jesus. His Word states: "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them."
Kaylagrl loves Jesus and recognizes that He is Lord and Savior. Part of her recognition is to celebrate His human birth and she does so on a particular day of the year. Since God is beyond all perimeters of time, it's probably really safe to determine that He doesn't care what day of the year she celebrates Jesus' birth. He looks at her heart and is pleased.
Kaylagrl loves Jesus and recognizes that He is Lord and Savior. Part of her recognition is to celebrate His human birth and she does so on a particular day of the year. Since God is beyond all perimeters of time, it's probably really safe to determine that He doesn't care what day of the year she celebrates Jesus' birth. He looks at her heart and is pleased.
K
Thank you so much Utah,you said that more perfectly than I could.Besides that thank you for the kind words.You know last year my then fiance and I saw a sign that said "live nativity".We went down these dark,winding roads in the country and in the middle of nowhere was a country church.It was a chilly night as we got out and walked toward a little barn on the church property. People were coming and going quietly.With several others we entered the barn.A cd player was playing Christmas carols and there before us were a few goats,donkeys and ducks.In the midst of that were a young couple playing Mary and Joseph with a baby in their arms.A couple young boys with staffs in their hands.Nothing special,no big performance,no one said anything,just music playing.And it stuck me how humble and low a King came into the world.It was so touching,it changed my entire Christmas.I felt so close to God in that smelly little barn.Possibly more than any church.All those years ago in a stable,in a manger came a child that changed the world.If that isnt worth celebrating nothing on Gods green earth is worth celebrating.
C
I believe you and think at this point it's best you don't participate. It's very clear your conscience is not clear.
Well I'm just wondering why you would consider the observance of the birth of Christ a pagan practice. Is it because of the day, Dec. 25. If it were another day, would it be okay?
And does the fact that pagans used something in the past make it unusable for anyone else? For instance, many church musical instruments have been used by pagans. Even pianos and organs. It would just seem very difficult wean out everything a pagan has ever used. We currently have guitars in our worship at my church. But guitars have been used by pagans and sinners. Would the verse below you cite apply to them?
Is not using modern instruments love for the world? It just seems to be the identical argument you're making. But would you take it that far, or do you draw the line at certain things?
Well I'm just wondering why you would consider the observance of the birth of Christ a pagan practice. Is it because of the day, Dec. 25. If it were another day, would it be okay?
And does the fact that pagans used something in the past make it unusable for anyone else? For instance, many church musical instruments have been used by pagans. Even pianos and organs. It would just seem very difficult wean out everything a pagan has ever used. We currently have guitars in our worship at my church. But guitars have been used by pagans and sinners. Would the verse below you cite apply to them?
Is not using modern instruments love for the world? It just seems to be the identical argument you're making. But would you take it that far, or do you draw the line at certain things?
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Your right, I could never support a day that promoted lying to children, materialism, had pagan origins, and drew the majority of people away from Jesus. Yes, It would bother me.
Yes*(below) and YES*! I personally, not saying you a bad guy if you don't agree, you asked so I explaining (braces for thrown tomatoes from the crowd) I personally celebrate His birth *during "Tabernacles" I believe from my studies it is His birth because if you study the Feasts THEY ARE THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER! So there 7 and EVERY ONE is about Yahshua's (Jeusus) 1st and 2nd coming! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
This was not always the case, I celebrated X-mas up until 5+ years ago, though it was His birth and everything. I studied so so deeply when I was approached with this info that it changed my complete Scripture study frequency, because I realized I had missed something, and I didnt want to be lied to again.
*The New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Revised Edition, by Zondervan Publishing:
CHRISTIAN YEAR, THE. The early Christians who were mainly Jews were used not only to keeping one day in the week as separate but also to marking the year with certain religious festivals, notably Passover, Tabernacles, and Pentecost. From early times Christians kept a commemoration of Christ’s resurrection. This was held at Passover time and was finally fixed on the Sunday following Passover. Pentecost was then celebrated at the appropriate time; the fifty days between the two were days of joy and rejoicing. The choice of 25 December (in the East, 6 January) for the birth of Christ is almost certainly because that day was the great pagan day of honor to the sun, and in Rome in the fourth century it was transformed into a Christian festival. CHRISTMAS. The English name for the Feast of the Nativity of Christ kept on 25 December by the Western Church. There is no evidence of a Feast of the Nativity before the fourth century, except possibly among the Basilidians. Theearliestmentionof25 December is in the Philocalian Calendar, compiledin354, which cites its observance in Rome in 336. It would not appear to have been celebrated in Antioch until approximately 375. By380 it was being observed in Constantinople, and by 430 in Alexandria. It was still unknown in Jerusalem early in the fifth century__it was not until the sixth century that the Nativity was finally detached from 6 January and celebrated on 25 December. By the middle of the fifth century it was being gradually observed throughout East and West. The Armenians still observe 6 January, the closely related Feast of the Epiphany, as Christmas Day. There is no authoritative historical evidence as to the day or month of Christ’s birth in Jerusalem. 25 December was the date of a Roman pagan festival inaugurated in 274 as the birth day of the unconquered sun which at the winter solstice begins again to show an increase in light. Sometime before 336 the Church in Rome, unable to stamp out this pagan festival, spiritualized it as the Feast of the Nativity of the Sun of Righteousness. Christmas in the Eastern Church celebrates the birth of Christ together with the visit of the shepherds and the adoration o fthe wise men. In the Western Church the adoration of the Magi is attached to Epiphany on 6 January. In the Roman Catholic Church three masses are usually said to symbolize the birth of Christ eternally in the bosom of the Father, from the womb of Mary and mystically in the soul of the faithful. The traditional customs associated with Christmas have been derived from several sources. The merrymaking and the exchange of presents find their origin in the Roman Saturnalia festival (17-24 December), and the greenery and lights come from the Kalends of January (1 January, the Roman New Year) with its solar associations. The Germano-Celtic Yule rites introduced the tradition of feasting and fellowship. In the USA (and in England during the Commonwealth) Christian celebrations were at first suppressed by the Puritans, who objected to their pagan origins. Since the nineteenth century the celebration of Christmas has become increasingly popular.
IDK I never looed at it like "modern instruments" view beyond if it lines up with what Yah says. I have given thought to pollution, as we are supposed to care for the land (It is in the OT*) All I can say is anything He put on me or came before would be prayed about and followed, Yah will(He guides).
"modern instruments" Do you propose an ideal on something of this nature? Im open.
*we are supposed to care for the land (It is in the OT,)and the cool thing is if every 7 years the land is left not cultivated the vitamin and mineral content over a 70 year period stayed the same, but when every 7 was not let it went from like 40 or 70, but for sure I remember it went down to 8mcg of magnesium per ear or corn, when it was 40-70
Yes*(below) and YES*! I personally, not saying you a bad guy if you don't agree, you asked so I explaining (braces for thrown tomatoes from the crowd) I personally celebrate His birth *during "Tabernacles" I believe from my studies it is His birth because if you study the Feasts THEY ARE THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER! So there 7 and EVERY ONE is about Yahshua's (Jeusus) 1st and 2nd coming! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
This was not always the case, I celebrated X-mas up until 5+ years ago, though it was His birth and everything. I studied so so deeply when I was approached with this info that it changed my complete Scripture study frequency, because I realized I had missed something, and I didnt want to be lied to again.
*The New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Revised Edition, by Zondervan Publishing:
CHRISTIAN YEAR, THE. The early Christians who were mainly Jews were used not only to keeping one day in the week as separate but also to marking the year with certain religious festivals, notably Passover, Tabernacles, and Pentecost. From early times Christians kept a commemoration of Christ’s resurrection. This was held at Passover time and was finally fixed on the Sunday following Passover. Pentecost was then celebrated at the appropriate time; the fifty days between the two were days of joy and rejoicing. The choice of 25 December (in the East, 6 January) for the birth of Christ is almost certainly because that day was the great pagan day of honor to the sun, and in Rome in the fourth century it was transformed into a Christian festival. CHRISTMAS. The English name for the Feast of the Nativity of Christ kept on 25 December by the Western Church. There is no evidence of a Feast of the Nativity before the fourth century, except possibly among the Basilidians. Theearliestmentionof25 December is in the Philocalian Calendar, compiledin354, which cites its observance in Rome in 336. It would not appear to have been celebrated in Antioch until approximately 375. By380 it was being observed in Constantinople, and by 430 in Alexandria. It was still unknown in Jerusalem early in the fifth century__it was not until the sixth century that the Nativity was finally detached from 6 January and celebrated on 25 December. By the middle of the fifth century it was being gradually observed throughout East and West. The Armenians still observe 6 January, the closely related Feast of the Epiphany, as Christmas Day. There is no authoritative historical evidence as to the day or month of Christ’s birth in Jerusalem. 25 December was the date of a Roman pagan festival inaugurated in 274 as the birth day of the unconquered sun which at the winter solstice begins again to show an increase in light. Sometime before 336 the Church in Rome, unable to stamp out this pagan festival, spiritualized it as the Feast of the Nativity of the Sun of Righteousness. Christmas in the Eastern Church celebrates the birth of Christ together with the visit of the shepherds and the adoration o fthe wise men. In the Western Church the adoration of the Magi is attached to Epiphany on 6 January. In the Roman Catholic Church three masses are usually said to symbolize the birth of Christ eternally in the bosom of the Father, from the womb of Mary and mystically in the soul of the faithful. The traditional customs associated with Christmas have been derived from several sources. The merrymaking and the exchange of presents find their origin in the Roman Saturnalia festival (17-24 December), and the greenery and lights come from the Kalends of January (1 January, the Roman New Year) with its solar associations. The Germano-Celtic Yule rites introduced the tradition of feasting and fellowship. In the USA (and in England during the Commonwealth) Christian celebrations were at first suppressed by the Puritans, who objected to their pagan origins. Since the nineteenth century the celebration of Christmas has become increasingly popular.
IDK I never looed at it like "modern instruments" view beyond if it lines up with what Yah says. I have given thought to pollution, as we are supposed to care for the land (It is in the OT*) All I can say is anything He put on me or came before would be prayed about and followed, Yah will(He guides).
"modern instruments" Do you propose an ideal on something of this nature? Im open.
*we are supposed to care for the land (It is in the OT,)and the cool thing is if every 7 years the land is left not cultivated the vitamin and mineral content over a 70 year period stayed the same, but when every 7 was not let it went from like 40 or 70, but for sure I remember it went down to 8mcg of magnesium per ear or corn, when it was 40-70
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C
Sorry, reading through this post I don't think I saw an answer. If the celebration of Christ's birth was on a different day, would you then celebrate it? Not as the actual birthdate, but simply a day to celebrate the nativity story. I think most christians know Christ was not born on that particular day, and that the actual date can never be known.
Also, I didn't get your answer about certain musical instruments. Do you think certain ones should be shunned as well, being they have been used by pagans and the ungodly? It would seem if you're undecided on that, you're a bit inconsistent.
Also, I haven't seen you address the issue of why it's wrong to use something a pagan has used. Didn't Paul say in Romans 14 and 1Cor. 8 that it's even okay for a christian to eat foods that have been sacrificed to idols? If we can eat meat from pagan sacrifices, why can't we use a calendar date they've used? Why would you consider that a pagan practice, but not eating foods sacrificed to idols, which seems worse to me.
Also, I didn't get your answer about certain musical instruments. Do you think certain ones should be shunned as well, being they have been used by pagans and the ungodly? It would seem if you're undecided on that, you're a bit inconsistent.
Also, I haven't seen you address the issue of why it's wrong to use something a pagan has used. Didn't Paul say in Romans 14 and 1Cor. 8 that it's even okay for a christian to eat foods that have been sacrificed to idols? If we can eat meat from pagan sacrifices, why can't we use a calendar date they've used? Why would you consider that a pagan practice, but not eating foods sacrificed to idols, which seems worse to me.
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I did answer, I said "YES*! I personally, not saying you a bad guy if you don't agree, you asked so I explaining (braces for thrown tomatoes from the crowd) I personally celebrate His birth *during "Tabernacles"
Since it is not written is Scripture I can not know this for certain, but that is when I celebrate it, but I would never use pagan practices. I feel you might be trying to say, "well you celebrate it too so how can you say its wrong on a different day?" I care not wha day one celebrates it, every day is great, but people are busy, they could think of it every day but cant do all out celebration every day. My issue is worshiping using pagan practices EXPRESSIVELY FORBIDDEN IN THE SCRIPTURES, I know LEGALISTIC!!!!!! LOL What happen to "if you love me keep my commands?"
It is plainly stated, "Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"
I could not in well consciousness transgress this, me personally, and yes I do sin, im not perfect.
Now I know satan is WEAK oh so wek and Yah is STRENGTH, so im with the complete "Hi-jacking" of "Christmas" BUT ME, this is me now. Im nobody, but for me, me and my house will serve Yahweh, I know not perfectly but as best as this dummy can do. the complete "Hi-jacking" of "Christmas" and turned into a day of 100% preaching Messiah, BUT I WOULD LEAVE OUT 100% of pagan symbolism. Problem is I only know a hand full of people who will study Scripture on dec 25th, most want to open gifts and so forth, and over the net it seems im saying this to be dramatic, but im not, I wanted to study with people on Dec 25th TO USE IT FOR YAH, but only 3 people wanted to study, that is when I realized this tree materialism, pagan origin, lie promoting ritual was NOT OF YAHWEH. I would cry in your hand right now if you would let me, and im not soft.
I missed that I thought you said modern. answer coming up.
Since it is not written is Scripture I can not know this for certain, but that is when I celebrate it, but I would never use pagan practices. I feel you might be trying to say, "well you celebrate it too so how can you say its wrong on a different day?" I care not wha day one celebrates it, every day is great, but people are busy, they could think of it every day but cant do all out celebration every day. My issue is worshiping using pagan practices EXPRESSIVELY FORBIDDEN IN THE SCRIPTURES, I know LEGALISTIC!!!!!! LOL What happen to "if you love me keep my commands?"
It is plainly stated, "Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"
I could not in well consciousness transgress this, me personally, and yes I do sin, im not perfect.
Now I know satan is WEAK oh so wek and Yah is STRENGTH, so im with the complete "Hi-jacking" of "Christmas" BUT ME, this is me now. Im nobody, but for me, me and my house will serve Yahweh, I know not perfectly but as best as this dummy can do. the complete "Hi-jacking" of "Christmas" and turned into a day of 100% preaching Messiah, BUT I WOULD LEAVE OUT 100% of pagan symbolism. Problem is I only know a hand full of people who will study Scripture on dec 25th, most want to open gifts and so forth, and over the net it seems im saying this to be dramatic, but im not, I wanted to study with people on Dec 25th TO USE IT FOR YAH, but only 3 people wanted to study, that is when I realized this tree materialism, pagan origin, lie promoting ritual was NOT OF YAHWEH. I would cry in your hand right now if you would let me, and im not soft.
I missed that I thought you said modern. answer coming up.
Im not too much into music, I do listen occasionally, I will admit I am picky. But since music is not prominent in my life I never gave it much thought, other than seeing how insane the entertainment industry is. I would have to study to gaive a definite answer, but I can say if some kind of particular instrument was invented by worshippers of Molech for the sole purpose of worship rituals, I wouldn't mess with that one for sure. But again I would have to look into it to give and educated answer.
On the sacrificed to idols thing, NO WAY!
Acts 15:29 ASV American Standard Version
that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.
what changed?
Jesus christ says:
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Or go full hog huh?
On the sacrificed to idols thing, NO WAY!
Acts 15:29 ASV American Standard Version
that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.
what changed?
Jesus christ says:
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Or go full hog huh?
J
I was just looking at the poll results...approximately 69% of professing Christians here celebrate "Christ Mass" and approximately 31% of professing Christians here do not celebrate "Christ Mass"...and I had this thought:
If these percentages were reflected in the world or if 31% of professing Christians worldwide stopped celebrating "Christ Mass", how, if at all, do you suppose that the world would respond to the same?
Would advertising campaigns change drastically to include more "Christian imagery" to draw Christians back to celebrating the day for financial reasons or to best rake in as much dough as possible during this "season"? IOW, would we see less and less images of Santa, Rudolph, elves, "Christ Mass" trees, etc., etc. and more and more images of nativity scenes and angels?
Would campaigns against saying "Merry Christ-mas" and campaigns for saying "Happy Holidays" lessen or cease and if so, then why? Again, would it be for financial reasons or to best rake in as much dough as possible during this "season"?
Would anybody even notice and if they did notice, then how do you suppose they would respond to the same? Would they begin to question the date of December 25th and possibly study the scriptures for themselves to see when Jesus was more than likely actually born?
Would CHURCHES actually be driven to check the scriptures in relation to the actual timing of Jesus' birth and take a stand for Biblical truth (You know, "prove all things and hold fast that which is true" and all that) if Christians stopped attending their "Christ Mass" services and stopped going to their "Christ Mass" plays and if they did, then what would be their true motivation for doing so? Would it be a desire to uphold the truth...or just a desire not to lose congregants and their tithes and offerings?
Etc., etc., etc.
Anyhow, just a little rabbit trail from the endless back and forth that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
If these percentages were reflected in the world or if 31% of professing Christians worldwide stopped celebrating "Christ Mass", how, if at all, do you suppose that the world would respond to the same?
Would advertising campaigns change drastically to include more "Christian imagery" to draw Christians back to celebrating the day for financial reasons or to best rake in as much dough as possible during this "season"? IOW, would we see less and less images of Santa, Rudolph, elves, "Christ Mass" trees, etc., etc. and more and more images of nativity scenes and angels?
Would campaigns against saying "Merry Christ-mas" and campaigns for saying "Happy Holidays" lessen or cease and if so, then why? Again, would it be for financial reasons or to best rake in as much dough as possible during this "season"?
Would anybody even notice and if they did notice, then how do you suppose they would respond to the same? Would they begin to question the date of December 25th and possibly study the scriptures for themselves to see when Jesus was more than likely actually born?
Would CHURCHES actually be driven to check the scriptures in relation to the actual timing of Jesus' birth and take a stand for Biblical truth (You know, "prove all things and hold fast that which is true" and all that) if Christians stopped attending their "Christ Mass" services and stopped going to their "Christ Mass" plays and if they did, then what would be their true motivation for doing so? Would it be a desire to uphold the truth...or just a desire not to lose congregants and their tithes and offerings?
Etc., etc., etc.
Anyhow, just a little rabbit trail from the endless back and forth that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
saying you don't celebrate Christmas is just saying so...one must say why.... I don't celebrate christmas because it is not of God...was never of God and no matter what man say or do it will never be of God...It is a celebration ordained by the mother of harlots ....How can any right thinking Christian be a partaker of such evil...is it because it is transformed to appear as if one is worshipping Christ....????
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 1:22-24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 1:22-24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: