Do You Celebrate Christmas?

[SarahM777]

pagans speak should Christian be dumb? Paul said don't be conformed to the way of the pagan...it does not mean because pagan walk we must crawl....We are not to follow pagan practice....we are to teach pagans to follow Christ...

Silly question but did not the Father deem Jesus birth worthy enough to send an angel to Zechariah to tell him he would have a son would would prepare the way for the Lord,then send an angel to Mary to tell her should a son by the Holy Spirit who would be the promised Messiah whose name would be Jesus who would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends an angel to speak to Joseph in a dream to go ahead and marry Mary because the child was of the Holy Spirit and he was to name Him Jesus because He would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends
angels on the very night Jesus is born to announce to the world that the savoir is born and He is the Messiah and Lord.

Then on the eight day when Mary and Joseph go the temple both Simeon and Anna through the Holy Spirit both speak of this child is. Then to top it all off the Father places a star in the heavens to lead a number of Magi to declare to an evil king that the true King has come,and then that same star leads them to Jesus. Do you think the Father thought Jesus birth was worthy enough to DECLARE His birth by both angels and signs in the heavens,that it was His chosen time to bring to completion His promise of a Messiah?

 

[JesusistheChrist]

and it promotes materialism, something Savior spoke against; (Matt 6:19)

Worshipping Materialism at Christmas
https://consortiumnews.com/2012/12/04/worshipping-materialism-at-christmas/

"Actually, despite the emphasis on purchases during the holidays, shopping is a year-round phenomenon in the United States. Children might not be able to read, write, add, or subtract, but they know a great deal about the latest consumer products."


Spend! Spend! Spend! Yes, giving gifts is a joy. But a historian argues that our obsession with materialism is destroying communities, friendship and self-discipline
Obsession with materialism destroying communities, friendship and self-discipline | Daily Mail Online

"Thinking of doing your Christmas shopping this afternoon? You will need sharp elbows...The real cause for concern, however, is more ethical than economic...More than ever, according to the campaigning journalist Jeremy Seabrook, we have become slaves to materialism. "


Who is training these children here?

Matt 6:19, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

 

[kaylagrl]

Silly question but did not the Father deem Jesus birth worthy enough to send an angel to Zechariah to tell him he would have a son would would prepare the way for the Lord,then send an angel to Mary to tell her should a son by the Holy Spirit who would be the promised Messiah whose name would be Jesus who would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends an angel to speak to Joseph in a dream to go ahead and marry Mary because the child was of the Holy Spirit and he was to name Him Jesus because He would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends
angels on the very night Jesus is born to announce to the world that the savoir is born and He is the Messiah and Lord.

Then on the eight day when Mary and Joseph go the temple both Simeon and Anna through the Holy Spirit both speak of this child is. Then to top it all off the Father places a star in the heavens to lead a number of Magi to declare to an evil king that the true King has come,and then that same star leads them to Jesus. Do you think the Father thought Jesus birth was worthy enough to DECLARE His birth by both angels and signs in the heavens,that it was His chosen time to bring to completion His promise of a Messiah?

Wow what a thoughtful post! It will be argued Im sure but wow! Such great points!

 

[kaylagrl]

Not all celebrate the season this way.The world is materialistic all year round.Parents buy their kids cell phones! If its wrong at Christmas its wrong all year round.My parents bought a couple things they could afford and the rest was clothes we needed.We appreciated all we got so please dont lump everyone together.

 

[kaylagrl]

saying you don't celebrate Christmas is just saying so...one must say why.... I don't celebrate christmas because it is not of God...was never of God and no matter what man say or do it will never be of God...It is a celebration ordained by the mother of harlots ....How can any right thinking Christian be a partaker of such evil...is it because it is transformed to appear as if one is worshipping Christ....????
Matthew 15:9


But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.




Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Romans 1:22-24King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

So now you're questioning my faith in Christ? Really?! Wow!

 

[SeaBass]

If one can ADD Christmas to the bible, can one take a black marker and cross things out of the bible he does not like?

 

[Utah]

you are trying to force celebrating christmas into loving and keeping Christ commands...that is deception...christmas has nothing to do with loving and keeping Christ's commands...it has to do with celebrating a pagan feast using Christ's name pull unsuspecting people into a common practice of evil

Deception! LOL! Loving God is the Greatest Commandment. Showing reverence to God by joyfully acknowledging Jesus' human birth is in fact reverence, and giving gifts to emulate the Magi bringing gifts to Jesus is not pagan. Good God!

Here's a note to everyone; God is not locked in a book. John 21.25 states that Jesus did many things, and if all of them were written down the entire world would not have room for the books. Just because a certain practice or tradition is not mentioned in the Bible does not make said practice or tradition ungodly, especially when the practice or tradition pays homage and reverence to the Son of God. Holy brick wall, Batman!

 

[KohenMatt]

With centuries of difference between? It wouldnt matter.If my birthday was on Hitlers birthday it would make no difference to me.More and more research is being done on when Christ was born.As I put in an earlier post it is possible Christ was born close to what we celebrate as Christmas.I will post more on this later as it is morning now and I should get some beauty rest,for I certainly need every minute I can get!

So let's take it 1 step further, and a step closer to what actually took place....

"Kayla, as your family and friends, we want to celebrate your birth on Hitler's birthday because we want to honor both him and you."

That's what the early church did with Jesus' birth.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Not all celebrate the season this way.The world is materialistic all year round.Parents buy their kids cell phones! If its wrong at Christmas its wrong all year round.My parents bought a couple things they could afford and the rest was clothes we needed.We appreciated all we got so please dont lump everyone together.

Hi, kaylagrl.

Whether or not you or others "celebrate the season this way", there is a "Christmas spirit" which, in my estimation, is indeed that:

A "spirit".

Personally, I don't believe that it is the Holy Spirit, but rather what the Bible calls "the spirit of this world" (I Corinthians 2:12). I mean, at least acknowledge that people are BOMBARDED via commercials, newspaper/TV advertisements, billboards, store displays, music, etc., etc. from at least the time of Thanksgiving (this year it started even earlier) up until the 25th of December to partake of this "celebration". Do you honestly believe that THE WORLD is that anxious and excited to celebrate Christ's alleged birthday? Seriously, Who/who is behind such a BOMBARDMENT? God or Satan? In my estimation, it is Satan...and he's no friend of mine.

Anyhow, as I've noted elsewhere, I'm all for celebrating and rejoicing in the birth of Christ...just not in relation to this particular day (December 25th). IOW, if I was going to set aside any particular day to celebrate the same, then it would be the day which best matches the information given to us in scripture in relation to the same.

Btw, I agree with you that "materialism" is wrong all year round...but it is certainly amplified at "Christ Mass". Personally, I can't wait for the day to pass...so then we can start being BOMBARDED with talk about "New Year's Day"...even though I don't celebrate that either.

Finally, the Bible gives us plenty of indicators in relation to the actual "season" in which Christ was born and it's not the "season" which the vast majority of professing Christendom tries to foist upon the unlearned nor is it the "season" which surrounds the Feast of Tabernacles (another popular, yet unscriptural, error). IOW, there's nothing in scripture which even remotely suggests that "Jesus", especially in relation to His birth", truly is "the reason for the season". Rather, "the reason for the season" is GREED AND COMMERCIALISM. Anyhow, I began addressing what I believe the true "season" of Jesus' birth to be a couple of weeks ago, but I lost interest in pursuing it any further on this forum. If anybody is interested in what "season" I actually believe that to be FROM A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE, then they can check out my two part post by following these two links:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/103724-when-jesus-born-4.html#post1800394
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/103724-when-jesus-born-4.html#post1800396

Also, if anybody is interested in why I don't celebrate "New Year's Day" (the new year doesn't really begin on January 1st), then the following link to a previous post of mine ought to begin to explain that as well:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/103724-when-jesus-born-4.html#post1800443

 

[kaylagrl]

So let's take it 1 step further, and a step closer to what actually took place....

"Kayla, as your family and friends, we want to celebrate your birth on Hitler's birthday because we want to honor both him and you."

That's what the early church did with Jesus' birth.

Well you see I dont believe that to be true.Will post more later.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It never seems to fail that we have these kinda threads.Don't be so deep

 

[Lynx]

So let's take it 1 step further, and a step closer to what actually took place....

"Kayla, as your family and friends, we want to celebrate your birth on Hitler's birthday because we want to honor both him and you."

That's what the early church did with Jesus' birth.

And thus Godwin is once again proven correct.

Godwin's law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. Tthat is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card".


Sound familiar?

 

[mcubed]

I don't celebrate Christmas, but I think it's great many most people are nicer at this time and do many righteous acts for others they wouldn't do if it weren't Christmas, and it boosts the economy.

My son is autistic and he has been raised Messianic. I remember one year I told him it wasn't really Y-shua's birthday; he got so upset and demanded I quit lying. So every Christmas we buy a birthday cake and sing happy birthday to Y-shua. So I guess in a way I do celebrate it, just not the traditional way.

 

[kaylagrl]

And thus Godwin is once again proven correct.

Godwin's law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. Tthat is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card".


Sound familiar?

Wow thats an actual thing? I learned something new tonight!

 

[skipp]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

[Calminian]

I did answer, I said "YES*! I personally, not saying you a bad guy if you don't agree, you asked so I explaining (braces for thrown tomatoes from the crowd) I personally celebrate His birth *during "Tabernacles"

Oh okay sorry. So the thing is, Saturnalia is from the 17th to the 23rd I believe, and it looks like Sol invictus actually is a tradition that started after the christmas date was chosen by some on the early church. Just some thoughts on that.

It is plainly stated, "Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"

I could not in well consciousness transgress this, me personally, and yes I do sin, im not perfect.

And by "in their way" you mean on dates they used, I presume. But as I said above, there may actually not be a precedence for the 25th of december prior to the christian holiday.

That said, do you really think God cares about calendar dates so much as actual practices? Actual purposeful worship of false gods (I don't know if there's such a thing as accidental worship). How can one be engaging in paganism if he doesn't know it?

Also, there's a big difference between the age of the mosaic law for the jews, and the age of grace for the gentiles today, do you not agree? There were a lot of prohibitions then for them, that do not apply now for us.

That said, follow your conscience. I am in the hijack camp in that I have no problem using elements pagans used, like holly and candles, for different purposes. But I'm very reluctant to talk another into this. If it doesn't sit right, you're right for abstaining. I think that's the message of Romans 14.

Grace and peace.

 

[Calminian]

you are trying to force celebrating christmas into loving and keeping Christ commands...that is deception...christmas has nothing to do with loving and keeping Christ's commands...it has to do with celebrating a pagan feast using Christ's name pull unsuspecting people into a common practice of evil

But newbirth how is it possible to celebrate something unaware? And why would God care? God warned Israel about idolatry—the real purposeful worship of other gods. But the idea that any element ever used by a pagan is now off limits to the believer is no where in scripture. And how could we possibly know what elements were used in every corner of every land? It would be impossible.

The only prohibition I can see in scripture is one of conscience. If you think celebrating christmas is paganism, you are bound by your conscience to abstain. At the same time you are commanded not to judge those who partake.

Other than that, there's nothing to support this. All your idolatry verses are pointing to conscious pagan worship. There is no mention of accidental unaware pagan worship.

 

[Hizikyah]

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Oh okay sorry. So the thing is, Saturnalia is from the 17th to the 23rd I believe, and it looks like Sol invictus actually is a tradition that started after the christmas date was chosen by some on the early church. Just some thoughts on that.



And by "in their way" you mean on dates they used, I presume. But as I said above, there may actually be a precedence for the 25th of december prior to the christian holiday.

That said, do you really think God cares about calendar dates so much as actually practices? How can one be engaging in paganism if he doesn't know it?

Also, there's a big difference between the age of the mosaic law for the jews, and the age of grace for the gentile today, do you no agree? There were a lot of prohibitions then for them, that do not apply now for us.

That said, follow your conscience. I am in the hijack camp in that I have no problem using elements pagans used, like holly and candles, for different purposes. But I'm very reluctant to talk another into this. If it doesn't sit right, you're right for abstaining. I think that's the message of Romans 14.

Grace and peace.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but it's not the dates it the practices, speaking softly/joking tone; I thought I made that clear lol with all the posts?

I can't go against

"Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"

If you wannt to know the answer to the other questions, it's all over, I cant point you to a post or two the will explain all my Scriptural views.(I dont want to be disrespectful by not answering)

But my main point is, lets focus on the Messiah! Yahshua (Jesus), leave the pagan idolatry and the materialism alone (im a littel rough around the edges) and focus on Him and what He said, did, and taught! that is why I made this thread:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/104818-precious-words-one-saved-us.html

John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua (Jesus) proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."


John (Yahchanan) 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

 

[newbirth]

Silly question but did not the Father deem Jesus birth worthy enough to send an angel to Zechariah to tell him he would have a son would would prepare the way for the Lord,then send an angel to Mary to tell her should a son by the Holy Spirit who would be the promised Messiah whose name would be Jesus who would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends an angel to speak to Joseph in a dream to go ahead and marry Mary because the child was of the Holy Spirit and he was to name Him Jesus because He would save the people from their sin? Then once again the Father sends
angels on the very night Jesus is born to announce to the world that the savoir is born and He is the Messiah and Lord.

Then on the eight day when Mary and Joseph go the temple both Simeon and Anna through the Holy Spirit both speak of this child is. Then to top it all off the Father places a star in the heavens to lead a number of Magi to declare to an evil king that the true King has come,and then that same star leads them to Jesus. Do you think the Father thought Jesus birth was worthy enough to DECLARE His birth by both angels and signs in the heavens,that it was His chosen time to bring to completion His promise of a Messiah?

silly question in response to silly statement...all what you say is truth...but celebrating Christmas is not a command or ordinance of God...it's just a twisted pagan ritual using the name of Christ...The same Christ who died to save all those people, and now commands them to repent and be baptised for the remission of sins and they shall receive the HS...and to live righteous before God...how many of those people are living in obedience to him? so you see they are just being hypocrites why should the followers of Christ have fellowship with hypocrites encouraging them in their folly...???

 

[newbirth]

But newbirth how is it possible to celebrate something unaware? And why would God care? God warned Israel about idolatry—the real purposeful worship of other gods. But the idea that any element ever used by a pagan is now off limits to the believer is no where in scripture. And how could we possibly know what elements were used in every corner of every land? It would be impossible.

The only prohibition I can see in scripture is one of conscience. If you think celebrating christmas is paganism, you are bound by your conscience to abstain. At the same time you are commanded not to judge those who partake.

Other than that, there's nothing to support this. All your idolatry verses are pointing to conscious pagan worship. There is no mention of accidental unaware pagan worship.

did I say unsuspecting...they think they are doing God service...the RC churches are full of idols...believers are also warned about idolatry....
you are the one saying the elements used by pagans.are of limits ....the root of Christmas is pagan.....I do not judge them who partake...the word does....
1 Corinthians 10:21
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

Ephesians 5:4-8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: