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I remember God sending Saul to kill all the Amalakites...including babies and livestock...and Saul disobeyed ...we all know the history
Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
I have no idea what you think all means.....but I think it means all......ask David about his first son with Uriah's wife Bathsheba
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
I have no idea what you think all means.....but I think it means all......ask David about his first son with Uriah's wife Bathsheba
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
Sorry but there are two books one is the book of life the other the Lambs book of life. All are written into the book of life and all ones deeds are recorded there. Only those who are saved are in the Lambs book of life. In this book none are blotted out ever. Those who are judged at the GWT judgment are all condemned. The Lambs book of life is there to prove that the condemned are not written therein.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Im your sister bro Jackson 
I agree, even as they were sometime disobedient (as Noah preached, as the ark was preparing) and his longsuffering toward us is shown us there. Which is the same longsuffering toward us that we should account as our salvation (being patience with us) not willing that any should perish, and that we might all come to repentance (as his gifts and callings are without it). But the Lord is good and upright (receives sinners) and will teach us in the way so that we might.
Also, that scenario of his longsuffering in the days of Noah (among the disobedient) was used to show just how few were saved, eight souls in all. Which is not encouraging, but sobering, and good cause for diligence, in making their own calling and election sure (if only to ones self).
Also, its neither the hot nor the cold that are spued out of his mouth, its the indifferent, lukewarm. I have something on that too, on my website, but it is down at the moment, cant retreive it.
God bless you
I agree, even as they were sometime disobedient (as Noah preached, as the ark was preparing) and his longsuffering toward us is shown us there. Which is the same longsuffering toward us that we should account as our salvation (being patience with us) not willing that any should perish, and that we might all come to repentance (as his gifts and callings are without it). But the Lord is good and upright (receives sinners) and will teach us in the way so that we might.
Also, that scenario of his longsuffering in the days of Noah (among the disobedient) was used to show just how few were saved, eight souls in all. Which is not encouraging, but sobering, and good cause for diligence, in making their own calling and election sure (if only to ones self).
Also, its neither the hot nor the cold that are spued out of his mouth, its the indifferent, lukewarm. I have something on that too, on my website, but it is down at the moment, cant retreive it.
God bless you
This is what you believe, though maybe you haven't thought it through? If a baby is born during the morning of any given day and dies an houlater, it clearly has not accepted Jesus. It will be some years before a babe would be old enough to understand any of the religious implications. That God would send such an infant to Hell is an unspeakable horror. If God is perfectly good this can't happen.
You quoted Paul in Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Note that Paul did not say, "and so death passed upon all infants." Had Paul wanted to make it clear that all infants too would suffer he would have said "all infants." Instead he said "all men," and as we know men have reached the age of majority. Infants have not. Obviously a newborn has not committed any sin, whatsoever. Making an infant suffer might be in the handbook of ISIS extremists, but one would hope it is not in the repertoire of a god that we identify as being perfectly good.
You quoted Paul in Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Note that Paul did not say, "and so death passed upon all infants." Had Paul wanted to make it clear that all infants too would suffer he would have said "all infants." Instead he said "all men," and as we know men have reached the age of majority. Infants have not. Obviously a newborn has not committed any sin, whatsoever. Making an infant suffer might be in the handbook of ISIS extremists, but one would hope it is not in the repertoire of a god that we identify as being perfectly good.
sin entered the world by one man Adam....by reason of disobedience...this affected his whole nature and by extension his seed after him...which would include all men....by reason of birth not age....one is born with the Adamic nature...he does not grow into it...
Romans 5:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Romans 5:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Im your sister bro Jackson
I agree, even as they were sometime disobedient (as Noah preached, as the ark was preparing) and his longsuffering toward us is shown us there. Which is the same longsuffering toward us that we should account as our salvation (being patience with us) not willing that any should perish, and that we might all come to repentance (as his gifts and callings are without it). But the Lord is good and upright (receives sinners) and will teach us in the way so that we might.
Also, that scenario of his longsuffering in the days of Noah (among the disobedient) was used to show just how few were saved, eight souls in all. Which is not encouraging, but sobering, and good cause for diligence, in making their own calling and election sure (if only to ones self).
Also, its neither the hot nor the cold that are spued out of his mouth, its the indifferent, lukewarm. I have something on that too, on my website, but it is down at the moment, cant retreive it.
God bless you
I agree, even as they were sometime disobedient (as Noah preached, as the ark was preparing) and his longsuffering toward us is shown us there. Which is the same longsuffering toward us that we should account as our salvation (being patience with us) not willing that any should perish, and that we might all come to repentance (as his gifts and callings are without it). But the Lord is good and upright (receives sinners) and will teach us in the way so that we might.
Also, that scenario of his longsuffering in the days of Noah (among the disobedient) was used to show just how few were saved, eight souls in all. Which is not encouraging, but sobering, and good cause for diligence, in making their own calling and election sure (if only to ones self).
Also, its neither the hot nor the cold that are spued out of his mouth, its the indifferent, lukewarm. I have something on that too, on my website, but it is down at the moment, cant retreive it.
God bless you
Thank sister, it is scary that the Lord said narrow is the way and only few will be save. Scary but it is fact that we have to face.
Only push us to one choice, do not lukewarm. be hot all the time, I remember parable of the housekeeper. If they not ready when the house owner come, they will be in trouble.
Well it seems to me that there are some difficulties with Sodomites producing children. Since the angels that were there did not pull any other souls out it seems reasonable to conclude that there were none.
Going a step farther I would say that if there were any innocent children there then their souls went to be with the Lord having been saved from a life of sin and misery.
You are very cold hearted if you think that the innocence of children does not touch Gods heart.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Going a step farther I would say that if there were any innocent children there then their souls went to be with the Lord having been saved from a life of sin and misery.
You are very cold hearted if you think that the innocence of children does not touch Gods heart.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Infants are sinless. To claim otherwise is absurd. That something dies is only proof that it once lived. Name something that doesn't die. All things that live must die. Including grass. Has grass sinned? Oh, but then I forgot, you think grass is not a living thing because it does not have red blood. Seahorses then. Have they committed sin?
The very notion that in your mind an infant can be sent to Hell is, I think, inexcusable. There is a problem with this kind of theology. I’ll be straightforward, it is the sort of thinking that drives many people to atheism. The latest is a United Church of Canada minister, Bob Ripley. See his book, published in 2014, Life Beyond Belief: A Preacher's Deconversion.
Note: Adam did not die because of sin. He died because he did not get the chance to eat fruit from the Tree of Life.
“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden.... (Genesis 3:22-23)
The fruit of this tree would have conferred immortality on Adam. It was not sin that killed him, it was God stopping him from eating of this magical tree.
The very notion that in your mind an infant can be sent to Hell is, I think, inexcusable. There is a problem with this kind of theology. I’ll be straightforward, it is the sort of thinking that drives many people to atheism. The latest is a United Church of Canada minister, Bob Ripley. See his book, published in 2014, Life Beyond Belief: A Preacher's Deconversion.
Note: Adam did not die because of sin. He died because he did not get the chance to eat fruit from the Tree of Life.
“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden.... (Genesis 3:22-23)
The fruit of this tree would have conferred immortality on Adam. It was not sin that killed him, it was God stopping him from eating of this magical tree.