OSAS true or false?

[InSpiritInTruth]

Infants are sinless. To claim otherwise is absurd. That something dies is only proof that it once lived. Name something that doesn't die. All things that live must die. Including grass. Has grass sinned? Oh, but then I forgot, you think grass is not a living thing because it does not have red blood. Seahorses then. Have they committed sin?

The very notion that in your mind an infant can be sent to Hell is, I think, inexcusable. There is a problem with this kind of theology. I’ll be straightforward, it is the sort of thinking that drives many people to atheism. The latest is a United Church of Canada minister, Bob Ripley. See his book, published in 2014, Life Beyond Belief: A Preacher's Deconversion.



Note: Adam did not die because of sin. He died because he did not get the chance to eat fruit from the Tree of Life.

“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden.... (Genesis 3:22-23)

The fruit of this tree would have conferred immortality on Adam. It was not sin that killed him, it was God stopping him from eating of this magical tree.

Whatever dude, clearly you don't know the words of God. Tell ya what, why don't you start your own thread on the topic and see what others think?

 

[Cycel]

Whatever dude, clearly you don't know the words of God. Tell ya what, why don't you start your own thread on the topic and see what others think?

Why do that? We are talking about it here and now. I notice you don't really have a response to anything I have said. Claiming I do not understand does not win an argument.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Why do that? We are talking about it here and now. I notice you don't really have a response to anything I have said. Claiming I do not understand does not win argument.

For one, it's off topic of my thread OSAS. And for another, I've answered your questions but you reject my responses. So go ask somebody else, maybe you will believe them?

 

[kennethcadwell]

[h=1]Isaiah 7:14-16[/h]14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.[a] 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

 

[Cycel]

For one, it's off topic of my thread OSAS. And for another, I've answered your questions but you reject my responses. So go ask somebody else, maybe you will believe them?

It was yourself who made the claims that led to my questions, but if they are uncomfortable for you that is good enough. I made my points.

 

[Cycel]

Isaiah 7:14-16

14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.[a] 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

Kenneth, you are aware that the word virgin is a mistranslation? Also, when you read the entire prophecy in context it become obvious it is not a reference to Jesus.

 

[Cycel]

For one, it's off topic of my thread OSAS. And for another, I've answered your questions but you reject my responses. So go ask somebody else, maybe you will believe them?

By the way, I agree with your original post. Of course, I don't believe in the notion of salvation but I do recognize that even those who fully accept Christ and see themselves as born again, can then lose their faith and become atheists. So, in this you are right. How does it feel to have an atheist agree with you on this matter.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

When a person is Saved, is their name written in the Book of Life? Yes or No? YES is the correct answer.
Does the Bible teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life? Yes or No? YES it does teach that.
^i^

Do you think there is actually a book?

Hello Cycel
i see your reply can you expound on what you said here?

 

[Cycel]

Hello Cycel
i see your reply can you expound on what you said here?

Hi,
It just seems to me that God doesn't really need to keep track of things in a book. It's not as if he has to look back to remind himself what he had written earlier. It is people who must keep ledgers and records, not God. My question then was, do you really think God needs to track information like this in a book? Books, after all are physical -- unless you imagine a spirit book? Imagining there is an actual book suggests there is a physical place the book is kept. Where would that be? It just seems to open a whole can of worms?

 

[oldernotwiser]

I remember God sending Saul to kill all the Amalakites...including babies and livestock...and Saul disobeyed ...we all know the history
Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

I have no idea what you think all means.....but I think it means all......ask David about his first son with Uriah's wife Bathsheba

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Nathan departed unto his house. And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

god doesn't burn babies, that's moloch

 

[Kerry]

god doesn't burn babies, that's moloch

You need to go back and read the book of Joshua again, no He didn't burn them just killed them. I meant even the sheep and the horses and oxes and rabbits and mice. Totally wiped out that their should not remain on the Earth.

 

[Apostol2013]

As complicated as everyone tries to make it sound one can be deceived if not remaining in truth to go from righteousness to wickedness is seperation from God and spiritual death one can continue to be entertained by the spirit of strong delusion because they loved not the truth or you can repent of your backslidings and be reconciled but it must be sincere in pure heart

 

[Kerry]

As complicated as everyone tries to make it sound one can be deceived if not remaining in truth to go from righteousness to wickedness is seperation from God and spiritual death one can continue to be entertained by the spirit of strong delusion because they loved not the truth or you can repent of your backslidings and be reconciled but it must be sincere in pure heart

So your saying that God killed little children or no?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Kenneth, you are aware that the word virgin is a mistranslation? Also, when you read the entire prophecy in context it become obvious it is not a reference to Jesus.

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel," (Isaiah 7:14).
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Isaiah 7:14 says that a virgin will bear a son. The problem is dealing with the Hebrew word for virgin, which is almah. According to the Strong's Concordance it means, "virgin, young woman 1a) of marriageable age 1b) maid or newly married." Therefore, the word almah does not always mean virgin. The word "occurs elsewhere in the Old Testament only in Genesis 24:43(maiden); Exodus 2:8 (girl); Psalm 68:25 (maidens); Proverbs 30:19 (maiden); Song of Songs 1:3 (maidens); 6:8 (virgins)."1

 

[Kerry]

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel," (Isaiah 7:14).
​

Isaiah 7:14 says that a virgin will bear a son. The problem is dealing with the Hebrew word for virgin, which is almah. According to the Strong's Concordance it means, "virgin, young woman 1a) of marriageable age 1b) maid or newly married." Therefore, the word almah does not always mean virgin. The word "occurs elsewhere in the Old Testament only in Genesis 24:43(maiden); Exodus 2:8 (girl); Psalm 68:25 (maidens); Proverbs 30:19 (maiden); Song of Songs 1:3 (maidens); 6:8 (virgins)."1

So you don't believe that Christ was born of a virgin, Muslims do?

 

[Kerry]

By the way, I agree with your original post. Of course, I don't believe in the notion of salvation but I do recognize that even those who fully accept Christ and see themselves as born again, can then lose their faith and become atheists. So, in this you are right. How does it feel to have an atheist agree with you on this matter.

Because that is what you have done and if you can do it so can any body else, thank you for being evidence against the OSAS. Good job Cycel, I knew God would use you.

 

[kennethcadwell]

So you don't believe that Christ was born of a virgin, Muslims do?

Is that what I said, No !!!
I showed how the Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 was translated as virgin.
This was in response to Cycel who said it was a mistranslation, a false claim made by unbiblical so-called biblical scholars that the History channel just loves to use these charlatans. Almah is translated virgin also...

 

[Kerry]

Is that what I said, No !!!
I showed how the Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 was translated as virgin.
This was in response to Cycel who said it was a mistranslation, a false claim made by unbiblical so-called biblical scholars that the History channel just loves to use these charlatans. Almah is translated virgin also...

My bad, and tell Cycle to talk to me.

 

[nl]

Hi,
It just seems to me that God doesn't really need to keep track of things in a book. It's not as if he has to look back to remind himself what he had written earlier. It is people who must keep ledgers and records, not God. My question then was, do you really think God needs to track information like this in a book? Books, after all are physical -- unless you imagine a spirit book? Imagining there is an actual book suggests there is a physical place the book is kept. Where would that be? It just seems to open a whole can of worms?

Agreed. God doesn't need a record book for Himself but I'm sure that He would have a purpose for keeping a record.

While I can't endorse the whole catalog of Chick comics, "This was your life" is a classic that I first encountered in Hollywood, CA several decades back. French title is: "Le Film De Votre Vie"

English Link #1: This Was Your Life
English Link #2: This Was Your Life

French: French "This Was Your Life!"

Spanish: Spanish "This Was Your Life"

This comic tract deals with the issue of the books being opened.

 

[nl]

...It just seems to me that God doesn't really need to keep track of things in a book.

God has His purposes. There have been words sealed since the time of the prophet Daniel (approximately sixth century B.C.).

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. - Daniel 12:9

In Revelation 5, there is a dramatic scene in the throne room of heaven (continued from Revelation 4) that includes a sealed book or scroll (translations may vary)...



And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Only One was Worthy to open it...

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.