Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Jackson123

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Is it heresy to suggest that calling other Christians heretics is un-Christian?

To say un christian, christian is lie and heresy, and hatred

If you know your love one walk toward brinks and you said you are ok brother, mean you ignorant and not care for his salvation. I f you love him you have to said the truth, tell him that he goes to the wrong and danger direction.

Christian should not consider Mary as queen of heaven. it is babylon religion that believe queen of heaven.
 

notuptome

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No it is not, that is your interpretation of some verses, in contradiction of other scriptures , and you are arguing with an army of Protestants provable on the OSAS threads , not just catholics to hold that belief. The wide range of disparate views proves the need for authority, without which you see the endless fragmentation and schism under Protestantism.

Indeed the history of the Old Testament shows God using individuals to lead his church on earth, such as Moses, and the teaching authority symbolized by " Moses seat"

Did you never notice Ken? SCRIPTURE SAYS that the "pillar and foundation of truth is the church", it does not say " the pillar and foundation of truth is scripture" nor does it say " all truth is contained in scripture alone" ., it expressly denies it at the end of John, saying that no amount of books could hold it.

So How can you justify believing your splinter group is the guardian of doctrine, when your congregation did not exist for over a thousand years, and it was born of a schism from some other group that believed differently to you, and in turn history says your sect will schism again on doctrine? Protestantism is united only on a negative " anti RCC" they are not united on any doctrine and believe in a huge range of different things, although I discovered whilst part of those movements and since, a lot do not know what they believe, and are a mixture in the same congregation.

The hall mark of the true church is constancy of doctrine over millenia demanding believers conform toit, since truth does not change, only one denomination comes close. The hallmark of Protestantism is finding a congregation that conforms to you, and if not, starting one of your own, so how can they be the " pillar of truth"
Still you argue with God. Jesus said He would never leave nor forsake those who trusted in Him. Jesus is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother. You grossly undervalue the love of Jesus Christ for sinners.

Here again you continue to arrive at the incorrect conclusions because you lack the correct information. The hallmark of the true church is that Jesus Christ is it's head. Not the pope of the priesthood or any illusions of apostolic succession. Jesus Christ is the head of the True Church, Jesus Christ is the heart of the True Church and Jesus Christ is the Life of the True Church. The True Church is not man centered but Christ centered.

Never anti-Catholic but always pro Jesus Christ and His blood shed for the remission of sins. Always pro Gods grace and giving glory to whom alone is worthy.

For the cause of Christ
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Mileuk, you just have validated all the cults out there as being true Christians by saying that there is Truth outside of the Bible, that the Bible could not hold and does not hold all the Truth.

Therefore by your own admission that the Bible does not have all the Truth means the Mormons, the JW's, the Muslims, and all the other cults are True Christian Religions!

If what the Catholic Church teaches does not have to be in the Bible then the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church does not have to be in the Bible ether.
 
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the old devil has been around since adam and eve, and perhaps much much longer. he knew how to get the heresy started, and didn't know that yahweh knew about it all along - and permitted it, partly to show how stupid men are (all mankind), and the perfect wisdom, plan, and purpose of yahshua to those who yahweh shows mercy to. (he only shows mercy to a few; the rest, yahweh hardens their heart and they never repent to be saved).

the complete history of the rcc and the demonic doctrines there-in are well known.

that's why it is heresy. not even questionable. it is perfectly, completely, wholly anti-christ.

instead of the body of christ, it is the body of hasatan. all tricked, deceived and governed by hasatan -

and hasatan spews out of his mouth anyone who seeks the truth and clings to the truth and stands up for the truth,

just like yahweh spews out of his mouth anyone who clings to the enemy, except when he choses to show

mercy to one -- in which case they no longer cling to the enemy of christ, the heresy, the false gospel.(which isn't good news at all, but completely counterfeit - the catechism and teachings of the rcc are destroying souls, not helping anyone; worse than arsenic).

a rant? so? the truth. and when any and all of scripture is posted in and from and by truth, what does the heresy do ? it turns and tramples on it...
 
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1 Timothy 6:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

By teaching that the Truth does not have to be in the Bible shows that you Mileuk have allowed your Pride to blind your eyes to the fact that you know nothing and all you want to do is cause strife, envy, railings, evil surmisings. In fact the Holy Spirit says in verse 5 that we True Christians are to withdraw ourselves from you.

The Holy Spirit is telling us not to have any association with false people like you.

2 Peter 2:1-3
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.


The Holy Spirit clearly tells us there will be false teaches among us. The Catholic Church today is a false teacher, whose destruction is not far away.
 

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Just a note of correction, here!

Catholics do not "repent" of their sins. The do "penance" which is a word wrongly translated by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate.

Repent means to turn to God, away from your sins. Penance means after auricular confession, the priest gives you a little task to do to atone for your own sins. For a bad sin, it might be many Hail Mary's and Our Fathers. For a lesser sin, (in the priest's eyes!) a bit less penance.

It is a works religion from start to finish. Sorry to those who might be offended by that!
 
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... the priest gives you a little task to do to atone for your own sins. For a bad sin, it might be many Hail Mary's and Our Fathers. For a lesser sin, (in the priest's eyes!) a bit less penance...
Imagine what he'll make you do when you've been really, REALLY bad. :rolleyes:
 
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Imagine what he'll make you do when you've been really, REALLY bad.


see "50 years in the church of rome" by priests inside the vatican's confidence -- the priests have been doing astronomically worse abuse (sexual, moral, mental; including murder) to young boys, girls, women and men for many centuries (ever since constantine actually)
without any remorse for most of them and obviously no repentance - it has spawned demonic sin.

the disclosures from thousands of priests over the last several centuries has clearly shown that

there is absolutely no light and no hope in the roman abomination / heresy or their completely corrupt

leaders and doctrines.
 
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Mileuk, you just have validated all the cults out there as being true Christians by saying that there is Truth outside of the Bible, that the Bible could not hold and does not hold all the Truth.

Therefore by your own admission that the Bible does not have all the Truth means the Mormons, the JW's, the Muslims, and all the other cults are True Christian Religions!

If what the Catholic Church teaches does not have to be in the Bible then the teachings of Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church does not have to be in the Bible ether.
That argument is absurd. You really are scraping the barrel of arguments given by your anti catholic friends.

Take the JW are not even monotheists, the insert the word "A" in scripture in john 1 to become the " word was A god", so deciding there are many gods. Etc etc. And they , like whatever now sect you belong to , did not even exist till the last century.

Indeed Luther started the rot, when he decided he did not like a scripture because it does not conform to his belief , he deemed it " epistle of straw" , then ignored it, the approach used by Protestants ever since.

What I said about sola scriptura is true. And not in the sense of a possible but erroneous belief, it is logically false.
You cannot understand logic and also believe sola scriptura it is true. To be true it would have to say so,.
Worse still the last verse of John says the reverse.

It has always fascinated me, that evangelicals claim to be bible Christians, yet ignore critical passages like the one I pointed out. " the pillar and foundation of truth is the church"

So which church is that Ken? It cannot be yours!
 
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mikeuk

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Just a note of correction, here!

Catholics do not "repent" of their sins. The do "penance" which is a word wrongly translated by Jerome in the Latin Vulgate.

Repent means to turn to God, away from your sins. Penance means after auricular confession, the priest gives you a little task to do to atone for your own sins. For a bad sin, it might be many Hail Mary's and Our Fathers. For a lesser sin, (in the priest's eyes!) a bit less penance.

It is a works religion from start to finish. Sorry to those who might be offended by that!
No offense taken because it is simply not true.

Contrition and penance , mortification to extreme in some cases are fundamental
You read too many sound bites.
And if you read the catechism you would know catholics believe they are saved by grace through faith

But unlike Protestants they do not consider that gives them the right to rip up the rest of the bible that demands they get off their backsides to do the things The Lord has demanded, and in Matthew 25 for example tells you straight out, that unless you do, you will not be saved! Nor do they insult our lord by demanding he save them regardless of how they use the talents they are given, OSAS fashion, the product of " fast food" / " get rich quick" mentality not scripture.


Just like " get rich quick" OSAS sounds to good to be true, because it is!
 
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again, from heresy comes no good thing. not even when they use the bible like hasatan did and does trying to

cause others to join them in *sometimes* fatal sin.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble Mijeuk, but the Church spoken of in the Bible is not the Catholic Church. The Church spoken in the Bible is the Church whose cornerstone is Jesus Christ and whose foundation is founded on all the Disciples, not just Peter.

Colossians 1:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.

Ephesians 2:20-22 (NASB77)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing into a holy temple in the Lord;
[SUP]22 [/SUP] in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Jesus Christ is the True Church, not the corrupted Catholic Church.

John 21:25 (NKJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

If you look carefully at this verse Mileuk, it says "Things that Jesus did". It does not say "Things that Jesus Taught". Why do you Catholics twist the Scriptures to support you lies from Satan Mileuk?

Everything that Jesus did is not in the Bible but everything that Jesus taught is in the Bible!

Why do you Catholics lie and say you only ask Mary to pray for you? I listened to this Cardinal in the Catholic Church asking for Mary to intercede for him.

Romans 8:34 (NKJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

If Jesus Christ makes intercession for us and you Catholics believe that Mary intercedes for us, this makes Mary your God. So why do you Catholics lie and say you only ask Mary to pray for you? Do you not know that a lie is a Mortal sin that will keep you from entering into Heaven?

Why Mileuk, do you reject what God says in the Scriptures to follow the logic of evil men? What God the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures has more authority and Truth then the logic from evil men like you. God is greater than you and it is your Pride of being a Catholic that is causing you to teach evil Doctrines from the Catholic Church. It does not matter what you or the Catholic Church teaches, for we True Christians listen only to what God says and not to false Churches like the Catholic Church.

Mileuk, you really need to Repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior before its too late. For you cannot serve two Masters. You cannot serve God and Mary. You need to follow Jesus Christ only and toss aside Mary. Until you have turned to God only you will never see the Truth that is yours to have.

You need to find the narrow and winding path to follow because you are on the wide and broad path that leads to Hell. Even in the days of Jesus who walked with men, people like Judas rejected Him to follow their own gods.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble Mijeuk, but the Church spoken of in the Bible is not the Catholic Church.
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In your opinion. It cannot be the Protestant church since 20000 different denominatuons have 20000 different belief sets, and are all different from the denomination from which they were spawned, the result of allowing every sect like yours to make up its own interpretation. Constancy of belief over millenia is the hallmark of the true church, and only one can lay claim to that.

Why do you never discuss the issues? Clear statement - "pillar and foundation of truth is the church", not scripture and considering " sola scriptura" is simply a logical falsehood - why do you still maintain it?

As for " serving mary" you clearly never did have any idea of what RCC stood for. Suggest you read the catechism.
 
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the roman abomination is heresy. (see yahweh). (and all of scripture) (and yahshua) (and RoboOp)

the protestant churches have some truth in them, as far as they were able to be removed from the anti-christ heresy of rome.

the ekklesia are the ekklesia - the perfect body of christ as yahweh accomplishes this. they are not deceived by the roman heresy, nor by any errors that may still be in protestant or other assemblies.
 

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No offense taken because it is simply not true.

Contrition and penance , mortification to extreme in some cases are fundamental
You read too many sound bites.
And if you read the catechism you would know catholics believe they are saved by grace through faith

But unlike Protestants they do not consider that gives them the right to rip up the rest of the bible that demands they get off their backsides to do the things The Lord has demanded, and in Matthew 25 for example tells you straight out, that unless you do, you will not be saved! Nor do they insult our lord by demanding he save them regardless of how they use the talents they are given, OSAS fashion, the product of " fast food" / " get rich quick" mentality not scripture.


Just like " get rich quick" OSAS sounds to good to be true, because it is!
You know Angela just brought back a memory of when I was a child in the catholic church going to confession and then being instructed to say a number of hail marys and our fathers for penance. Tell me, what is the purpose or idea behind that?
And I also have another question, what's with calling us non Catholics protestants still? I mean personally for me Jesus was revealed in me while I was a sinner and I came to Him but it wasn't through the catholic church though, so what exactly am i protesting? My old sinful nature perhaps, yes.
 
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In your opinion. It cannot be the Protestant church since 20000 different denominatuons have 20000 different belief sets, and are all different from the denomination from which they were spawned, the result of allowing every sect like yours to make up its own interpretation. Constancy of belief over millenia is the hallmark of the true church, and only one can lay claim to that.
The "True Church" is:

~ neither Catholic nor Protestant
~ has been present on the earth since the ministry of Jesus
~ predates Catholicism and Protestantism

EDIT: In the context of the above statement, I am purposefully speaking specifically in terms of 'origin'.

Why do you never discuss the issues? Clear statement - "pillar and foundation of truth is the church", not scripture and considering " sola scriptura" is simply a logical falsehood - why do you still maintain it?
You are taking this statement out of context...

The "sense and tense" of this statement is that - the church is the "supporter-upholder" of the Truth in the world. The church itself is not the Truth. Scripture - the Word of God - is the Truth. The church is only the "steward" of Truth in the world.

Truth does not originate from any man-made construct. Truth [ only ] comes out from God Himself in the form of His Word - and NO OTHER PLACE does, or is even able to, put forth God's Truth.


As for " serving mary" you clearly never did have any idea of what RCC stood for. Suggest you read the catechism.
Please stop suggesting that everyone read the catechism. It is meaningless to a non-Catholic, where truth is concerned. Only the Scriptures are believed to be inspired by God Himself - and deemed to be God's Truth.

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How can the Catholic Church be the True Church when they teach Mary was sinless?

Romans 3:9-18
[SUP]9 [/SUP] What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit"; "The poison of asps is under their lips";
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Destruction and misery are in their ways;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And the way of peace they have not known."
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The Holy Spirit clearly teaches that Mary was a sinner. Therefore the Catholic Church cannot be the True Church because it teaches false doctrines.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Just because you say 'Lord, Lord' does not mean you are a True Christian Mileuk. Jesus Himself says you are a false Christian who will never enter into Heaven. Therefore everything you say is worthless and meaningless.

The Protestant Church is not the True Church, neither is the Catholic Church. Its Jesus Himself who is the True Church.

Why would i need to read the catechism from your church? I have the Bible from God, i need nothing else for the whole Truth is in the Bible, not in the catechism of your church.

Until you reject the false teaching of the Catholic Church you will never have the Truth. For the Truth is contained in the Bible only and the whole purpose of the Church is to support the Truth. The Catholic Church has no authority from God to make up any Doctrine it wants.

God teaches us through out the whole Bible that there will be those who claim to be His Children who are not His Children. Just because you think you are a True Christian does not mean you are a True Christian. Only those who do the Will of the Father are His Children.

Where in the Bible is it the Will of the Father to teach false Doctrines about Mary? In the last 165 years the Catholic Church has walked away from God to follow Mary instead.
 

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Just like " get rich quick" OSAS sounds to good to be true, because it is!
So great a price paid by Christ and you would add your works to it? That is an affront to grace.

You will not enter and you will not let those who are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13

For the cause of Christ
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As for " serving mary" you clearly never did have any idea of what RCC stood for. Suggest you read the catechism.
Yeah right. That's why my father in law has a little altar to Mary out side his bedroom.

If you read the bible you would repent of your ill advised philosophies.

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Shocking that you would draw papal succession from those verses. Terrible exegesis.
yeah.... maybe not "explicit" enough by unbiblical sola Scriptura standards. However, if you were as schooled in scripture as you claim to be, you would know the Bible contains sufficient enough indication of apostolic succession. For example, St. Paul appears to be passing his office along to Timothy (1 Tim 6:20; 2 Tim 1:6, 13-14, 2:1-2, 4:1-6). Not only that, you should know that the "send" motif in Scripture is right to the point. again, for example: Lk.9:1-2, "And he . . . gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal." Jn.17:18, "As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world." Lk.10:1-3, "After this the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to come. And he said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; pray therefore the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.” Jn.20:21, Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” These latter passages imply that there are many others involved besides just the 70 (which is already an expansion upon the original twelve). This implies succession and perpetuity.

Gods grace and Gods word. Ephesians 2:8-9
You also may want to look at verse 10:For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Clearly works are not condemned... but instead are essential since we are created to do good works! It's just that these works, in and of themselves, without faith, do not save us.

Anti-protestant diatribe completely unfounded and bereft of veracity.
Whats sad, is your unwillingness to accept the truth... past and present.

News for you. It was not the RCC you know today. The RCC today would make even the hardcore pagans blush.
One mans opinion, nothing more. Although, I am glad to see you admitting it was the Catholic Church that compiled the bible. :)

I would feel sorry for you but you get what you ask for. Luke 11:13 Jehovah God is my Father. Yep that's right the Eternal God is my Father and He bids me to come boldly into His presence and have fellowship with Him.
Of course this is your personal interpretation of this passage. If I were to ask ten Protestants to interpret this passage, I'd most likly get ten differnt interpretations, all supposedly inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Utter folly. This is the kind of stuff that makes people question the intellect of someone who would utter such nonsense.
Lol! whats really imprudent, and makes me question peoples intellect is how they ignore the obvious! In Luke 11:5-13, Jesus' parable of the importunate and bothersome neighbor shows a worst case scenario of what might happen when an unexpected guest shows up in the middle of the night! The family awakens, unbolts the locked door to receive the guest, then washes the guest's feet, and the wife begins to prepare a meal. When the wife discovers that she has no bread to set before the guest, she prevails on her husband to go and get bread from a nearby family, who by now is also asleep with their door bolted shut. In a small village it would be easy for the wife to know who had baked bread that day. Bread was essential for a meal because it served as a utensil for dipping and eating from the common dishes. Asking for bread from one's neighbor was both a common occurrence and an expected favor. To refuse to give bread would bring shame because it was a sign of inhospitality.

You do understand Gods generosity towards us, don't you? If a neighbor can be imposed upon and coerced into giving bread in the middle of the night, will not God, our heavenly Father and provider, also treat us with kind and generous care no matter how troubling or inconvenient the circumstances might appear? Jesus states emphatically, How much more will the heavenly Father give! St. Augustine of Hippo (340-425 AD) reminds us that "God, who does not sleep and who awakens us from sleep that we may ask, gives much more graciously." The Lord Jesus assures us that we can bring our needs to our heavenly Father who is always ready to give not only what we need, but more than we can ask. God gives the best he has. He freely pours out the blessing of his Holy Spirit upon us so that we may be filled with the abundance of his provision. Do you approach your heavenly Father with confidence in his mercy and kindness towards you?

Well Jesus did breathe into the disciples present the Holy Spirit. At this moment they were born again and sealed into an eternal inheritance. It is not in the context of the passage to grant authority to the disciples authority over other men. This is the corrupt desire for power that has drawn the RCC away form truth and prepared her for destruction.
Again, one mans opinion with no proof or competent evidence to back it up. Yawn.....

Yawn...written by men and contradicted by Gods word.
Again, nothing to back this up

Among the many things I might be thinking not the least of which is how can you fall for this stuff??? One mediator between God and man. Jesus Christ not the priest or the pope or any other man.
Lol!!! It may be much to your surprise, the Catholic Church actually acknowledges Christ to be our one and absolutely unique mediator who alone can reconcile us to the Father in a strict sense. The Incarnation corresponds to mediation in the order of being, and the Redemption (remission of sin and conferral of grace) is mediation morally. This kind of mediation is incommunicable. No one but the Savior unites in himself the divinity, which demands reconciliation, and the humanity, which needs to be reconciled.

Christ is our one mediator/intercessor, yet, St. Paul commands all Christians to be intercessors/mediators. Then notice in 1Timothy 2:5, the first word in verse five: “For there is one God and one mediator…” And then in verse seven he says, “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle.” What is an apostle if not a mediator? The very definition of apostle, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, is “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.” That’s an essential part of what a mediator is. In short, St. Paul says we are all called to be mediators because Christ is the one mediator and for this reason he was called to be a mediator of God’s love and grace to the world!

Why are the prayers of the RCC unanswered? Because they do not know and are not known of God.
Tisk.... Tisk.... This statementis so doltish, it doesn't warrant a responce.

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"For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. ---Lk.1:48