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M
Do you guys even read the bible?
Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Legalism kills!
Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
Legalism kills!
S
Welcome aboard sparty-g and you are welcome here as far as its up to me 
I was taught the law of love By the Holy Spirit. I found that when I walked in the Spirit by faith..knowing I was justified by faith alone...the fruits of the Spirit manifest in me. I found the law of love shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Spirit, gave me a super-natural love for others, and that in the Spirit I was doing by Divine Nature the things contained in the law... Love was more than keeping the writing code. And of course after years of study, sound doctrine of faith and love showed me what the Holy Spirit had already taught me in my heart. Does this help some?
I was taught the law of love By the Holy Spirit. I found that when I walked in the Spirit by faith..knowing I was justified by faith alone...the fruits of the Spirit manifest in me. I found the law of love shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Spirit, gave me a super-natural love for others, and that in the Spirit I was doing by Divine Nature the things contained in the law... Love was more than keeping the writing code. And of course after years of study, sound doctrine of faith and love showed me what the Holy Spirit had already taught me in my heart. Does this help some?
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Legalism makes folks very bitter, love makes folks love
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Legalism makes folks very bitter, love makes folks love
May God bless you.
M
Well we have to go to scripture to see that is indeed the intention of God, that He desires us to have an obedience that is based on His ability in us and not based on our own strength in the natural body or mind.
At the end of that obedience the flesh has no room to glory in anything but in God...The goodness God placed in me, often makes me wonder and glory at Him...Now I also still see the old man that has to brought into submission to the death of Christ.
At the end of that obedience the flesh has no room to glory in anything but in God...The goodness God placed in me, often makes me wonder and glory at Him...Now I also still see the old man that has to brought into submission to the death of Christ.
They go to churches. They are led to believe(it is insinuated) Christ died to wipe the slate clean at conversion, but no more. The inference is they have to reach an acceptable level of holiness in a certain space of time or their salvation is called into question. For the truly born again believer can you imagine the anguish they must live under.
The Holy Spirit has entered their life and placed the law on their heart and written it on their mind God desires them to keep. They are acutely aware of all their shortcomings. They have nowhere to hide from them, for they are in their most inward parts. They them strive-in effect to obey that law so they will not be cast aside, but the harder they try the more they fail(Romans ch7) for in effect they are seeking justification as a Christian as Paul did as a Pharisee. Many give up crushed and walk away, others sit in church each week, fearing if people knew the real them beneath the skin they would be rejected. And others become somewhat hardnosed, believing as they do not commit ''unacceptable sins'' God will accept them. They tend to look at others and reason because they do not commit the sins they do God will accept them into Heaven
The Holy Spirit has entered their life and placed the law on their heart and written it on their mind God desires them to keep. They are acutely aware of all their shortcomings. They have nowhere to hide from them, for they are in their most inward parts. They them strive-in effect to obey that law so they will not be cast aside, but the harder they try the more they fail(Romans ch7) for in effect they are seeking justification as a Christian as Paul did as a Pharisee. Many give up crushed and walk away, others sit in church each week, fearing if people knew the real them beneath the skin they would be rejected. And others become somewhat hardnosed, believing as they do not commit ''unacceptable sins'' God will accept them. They tend to look at others and reason because they do not commit the sins they do God will accept them into Heaven
Jason, at some point we cannot help what other people think. all we can do is speak the truth in love, as Paul said. so if you or I anyone tells someone Biblical truth, and the other person mis-understands what we say, or perhaps really are not serious about their relationship to God, if we have spoken truth to that person, and tried to correct them if they are wrong, then our responsablity is over. no one can " preach" someone into or out of doing anything.
V
Dear Brother Jason, how often do you go before the Lord in repentance? I mean no disrespect as I do admire your steadfast studying of the Word of God and your heart toward Christ Jesus. I am just wondering, if you believe that we must continually strive to be holy, how do you apply this truth:
Martha had a sister named Mary who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what He was saying. But Martha was distracted by all the preparations she felt she had to do. Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, don’t You care that my sister has left me to do all these things by myself? Tell her to help me.”
“Martha, Martha,” Jesus answered, “You are worried and concerned about so many things. But only one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen what is better and I won’t take that away from her.”
The grace of Jesus Christ offers us the miraculous freedom to be done with the matter of striving. Otherwise, we are left with a continual battle of trying to perform but never able to accomplish holiness. It is enough that Jesus is holy and that we sit at His feet and be captivated by Him.
Just receiving the Father's unconditional love, hearing His Voice via the Holy Spirit, and believing the Redemption of Jesus Christ has made me free to be made more into His image.