Guide for woman's (1 Tim 2:9-15)
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Ive told this story before but it seems to fit here.I have a pastor friend,an older man,has a great sense of humor.I loved this story he told us once.He use to pastor in Cali. in the 70s back when women started wearing pant suits instead of dresses.One Sunday morning a pretty young lady came to church dressed in a pant suit.When the service was over he met her at the door and gently told her that in his church women wore dresses and he would appreciate that the next time she came to church she would wear a dress. He said the next Sunday she came in wearing a dress that was so low cut and so short that he didn't know where to look.He called it a "gownless evening strap" He met her at the end of the service again and said "my dear you can go back to wearing your pant suits." lol !! He learned a lesson that day.Not easy to legislate modesty.
But why does there have to be an authority? I almost feel like it's a little unhealthy in a marriage to have one be the decision maker and the other one just go along with everything. plus a husband can force his wife in to submission. God is a gentleman and wouldn't dream of hurting one of his children or taking their free will even if that means they are hurting the one they were supposed to protect. But they're still being biblical because the wife is supposed to submit right? I have a wonderful boyfriend who would never dream of hurting me and I trust him. However there are some things I don't think he is very smart about. He has very bad ADHD and when it comes to money and spending and stuff like that he can be impulsive. If one day he wants to go blow $4000 on a monster truck because it's cool I'm supposed to submit to that and not have any say in the matter? Or if I want to buy a nice iPod he just doesn't want to spend the money because he has other plans I'm supposed to have no say in the matter? Like I'm supposed to be like, "honey can I have an ipod?" and he's like "no" and I'm supposed to just say "ok" that sounds sooooo unhealthy!!!! Because while men SHOULD listen to their wives many people on here are saying that the man is the head and that he doesn't HAVE to listen to her and that what I described would be perfectly acceptable. That is what I am getting out of this. I really hope I am somehow getting it wrong and if I am please someone correct me but this is why I have a problem with submission.
Lastly men can be dodo's and women can be dodo's. So why not work together as equals under God to navigate this world so that men and women and both use their wisdom to help each other. Even if the man is the head no one is going to be like "Hey listen to your wife on this." or "maybe ask your wife." because the man IS the head and he can make all the decisions according to the Bible.
OK thank you for listening to my rant. Much appreciated.
oh and then everyone expects women to be perfectly fine with all this!!
ok now the rant is over.
Lastly men can be dodo's and women can be dodo's. So why not work together as equals under God to navigate this world so that men and women and both use their wisdom to help each other. Even if the man is the head no one is going to be like "Hey listen to your wife on this." or "maybe ask your wife." because the man IS the head and he can make all the decisions according to the Bible.
OK thank you for listening to my rant. Much appreciated.
oh and then everyone expects women to be perfectly fine with all this!!
ok now the rant is over.
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you can rant all you like, sweetheart. we will listen. ♥
i suppose a man could use the idea of submission to be a tyrant.
but that's not Biblical. at all.
'husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church.'
does that sound like it will become tyranny, or like he will serve her and die (to himself!) for her?
in a good Christian marriage, husbands do indeed ask their wives their thoughts,
and listen to them. it's not at all about him serving his own desires above hers.
it's just that when a married couple hashes everything out and can't agree,
the husband is responsible for the final decision.
(and i do mean responsible!)
love one another....serve one another....live in peace. ♥
i suppose a man could use the idea of submission to be a tyrant.
but that's not Biblical. at all.
'husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church.'
does that sound like it will become tyranny, or like he will serve her and die (to himself!) for her?
in a good Christian marriage, husbands do indeed ask their wives their thoughts,
and listen to them. it's not at all about him serving his own desires above hers.
it's just that when a married couple hashes everything out and can't agree,
the husband is responsible for the final decision.
(and i do mean responsible!)
love one another....serve one another....live in peace. ♥
you can rant all you like, sweetheart. we will listen. ♥
i suppose a man could use the idea of submission to be a tyrant.
but that's not Biblical. at all.
'husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church.'
does that sound like it will become tyranny, or like he will serve her and die (to himself!) for her?
in a good Christian marriage, husbands do indeed ask their wives their thoughts,
and listen to them. it's not at all about him serving his own desires above hers.
it's just that when a married couple hashes everything out and can't agree,
the husband is responsible for the final decision.
(and i do mean responsible!)
love one another....serve one another....live in peace. ♥
i suppose a man could use the idea of submission to be a tyrant.
but that's not Biblical. at all.
'husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church.'
does that sound like it will become tyranny, or like he will serve her and die (to himself!) for her?
in a good Christian marriage, husbands do indeed ask their wives their thoughts,
and listen to them. it's not at all about him serving his own desires above hers.
it's just that when a married couple hashes everything out and can't agree,
the husband is responsible for the final decision.
(and i do mean responsible!)
love one another....serve one another....live in peace. ♥
A
'look at that elephant it is so big' says the child 'dear Lord it is so unfair, why can't I get to be as big and strong as an elephant?' How would you answer? And when your child is 10 and says 'I want to make the decisions it is all one sided, why should I put up with you in charge?' or if your husband says 'why do you get to breastfeed our baby, it is so one-sided'.
You will be happier the way God made you to be and living as God commands, but find a strong kind Christian husband who loves you and do not rush to marry someone before you know you can trust them enough to submit to them.
You will be happier the way God made you to be and living as God commands, but find a strong kind Christian husband who loves you and do not rush to marry someone before you know you can trust them enough to submit to them.
if the simple things that can be seen are impossible for you to grasp and understand,
how will you ever understand the spiritual things that cannot be seen ?
people everywhere, here especially are not just lacking,
but they and
you have believed the lies for so long that getting to know the truth will be a long long time..... and then
only if and as God Permits in Jesus.
...from an older post.. >> (just came up onscreen, don't know how i got directed there, but it's still appropriate)
>>
"i find it impossible to believe that the Lord called people to come onto this site to command His children to focus on the outward when He plainly tells us to no longer view one another in the flesh."
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how will you ever understand the spiritual things that cannot be seen ?
people everywhere, here especially are not just lacking,
but they and
you have believed the lies for so long that getting to know the truth will be a long long time..... and then
only if and as God Permits in Jesus.
...from an older post.. >> (just came up onscreen, don't know how i got directed there, but it's still appropriate)
>>
"i find it impossible to believe that the Lord called people to come onto this site to command His children to focus on the outward when He plainly tells us to no longer view one another in the flesh."
>>
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Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
indicates that the ninefold fruit of the Spirit will be present and increasing in the life of every true believer.
When someone like Mikko posts harsh critical unloving comments; instead of being iritated; perhaps we should be concerned for his Salvation and try to show him his need for God's love.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
indicates that the ninefold fruit of the Spirit will be present and increasing in the life of every true believer.
When someone like Mikko posts harsh critical unloving comments; instead of being iritated; perhaps we should be concerned for his Salvation and try to show him his need for God's love.
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I agree for sure. Thank you Marc for this answer.
Men are geared differently to what women are. I am happy to say that in some ways they do think more before they do something that what some women might. I have noticed this.
It has been said that there is more of a chance that a woman will go against God's word. Just like in the garden of Eden.
Hence why throughout the ages there have been men that God appointed to carry out His will.
It has nothing to do about control. The only reason why God appointed this responsibility to men is because women are not made the same way God made men......God made man first, Eve broke the rules, Adam had authority to make decisions from there on.
Men are geared differently to what women are. I am happy to say that in some ways they do think more before they do something that what some women might. I have noticed this.
It has been said that there is more of a chance that a woman will go against God's word. Just like in the garden of Eden.
Hence why throughout the ages there have been men that God appointed to carry out His will.
It has nothing to do about control. The only reason why God appointed this responsibility to men is because women are not made the same way God made men......God made man first, Eve broke the rules, Adam had authority to make decisions from there on.
Well that would be a selfish and un-Christian thing to do to neglect your family's well being by reckless spending, so no... That's exactly opposite of the leadership role that a husband should have in Christ... a Christian man makes sure that his family is provided and he doesnt not put his whims before needs of others, in fact he will put his needs after the needs of his family.
God's authority comes first for all, and than man's authority over his family.
Look at the example of Abigail in the Bible.
God's authority comes first for all, and than man's authority over his family.
Look at the example of Abigail in the Bible.
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SW explained the truck thing really well.
and Marc wisely pointed out it's the husband's decision, but he is ultimately accountable to God for it.
i think there have been three times in the 35 years i've been married when we couldn't agree.
one was when he had gotten a promotion (we had to move) and wanted to live in one place,
and i really didn't. so after we discussed it all, we moved where he thought would be best.
wish i could say my attitude was good, buuut...it wasn't.
and you know, the Lord blessed it. we met people we wouldn't have, people we served and who served us in the Lord. we went to a great church we wouldn't have known about.
i am still friends with a half dozen of those ladies, and they've been such a blessing.
and our kids are still friends with their kids....with whom they grew up.
here's the thing......when you feel you may not be able to trust your husband,
remember you can always trust God. HE's the One in control.
and Marc wisely pointed out it's the husband's decision, but he is ultimately accountable to God for it.
i think there have been three times in the 35 years i've been married when we couldn't agree.
one was when he had gotten a promotion (we had to move) and wanted to live in one place,
and i really didn't. so after we discussed it all, we moved where he thought would be best.
wish i could say my attitude was good, buuut...it wasn't.
and you know, the Lord blessed it. we met people we wouldn't have, people we served and who served us in the Lord. we went to a great church we wouldn't have known about.
i am still friends with a half dozen of those ladies, and they've been such a blessing.
and our kids are still friends with their kids....with whom they grew up.
here's the thing......when you feel you may not be able to trust your husband,
remember you can always trust God. HE's the One in control.
mankind is stupid, yahweh and yahshua say many times. even yahshua's disciples ! (yahshua asked them "are you being stupid on purpose?"..... more than once.....
so
it is men AND women are stupid. that's the basic flesh of all men and women - the makeup , the mind.
men AND women CAN be REDEEMED. most are not, because they are stupid. and they don't listen to nor seek God in their life. since GOD is the only one who can ever give life to anyone.... go figure.....
as to
"less qualified to lead" that doesn't matter at all. God never chose someone to lead (including MOSES) because they were qualified to lead. or even able to. He choses who HE choses becaue HE wants to. period. He even chose a women a few times in SCRIPTURE/TORAH.... read and rejoice !
(Deborah is probably the most well known, but there's several others wonderfully chosen by God).
it is written "Yahweh does whatever He wants to do". it really really really is THAT SIMPLE.
yet, and, HE GIVES instructions to us poor stupid men on earth, and women, through JESUS(Yahshua the MESSIAH)....
the BEGINNING OF WISDOM is fear of GOD --- respect, honor, seeking HIM... ONLY HE CAN HELP... no one else can, ever, unless HE does.
(any help anyone else seems to give apart from God or in His place without Him, is fraudulent and deadly)
so
it is men AND women are stupid. that's the basic flesh of all men and women - the makeup , the mind.
men AND women CAN be REDEEMED. most are not, because they are stupid. and they don't listen to nor seek God in their life. since GOD is the only one who can ever give life to anyone.... go figure.....
as to
"less qualified to lead" that doesn't matter at all. God never chose someone to lead (including MOSES) because they were qualified to lead. or even able to. He choses who HE choses becaue HE wants to. period. He even chose a women a few times in SCRIPTURE/TORAH.... read and rejoice !
(Deborah is probably the most well known, but there's several others wonderfully chosen by God).
it is written "Yahweh does whatever He wants to do". it really really really is THAT SIMPLE.
yet, and, HE GIVES instructions to us poor stupid men on earth, and women, through JESUS(Yahshua the MESSIAH)....
the BEGINNING OF WISDOM is fear of GOD --- respect, honor, seeking HIM... ONLY HE CAN HELP... no one else can, ever, unless HE does.
(any help anyone else seems to give apart from God or in His place without Him, is fraudulent and deadly)
ok.... think about a half second on these things:
the reason for so much arguing on this forum is because men are stupid. they believe stupid things.
they don't know it. some reply very very gently. some not so gently. some with severe chastisement.
men are still stupid.
they don't know it.
some reply with SCRIPTURE, and men are still stupid.
some reply with God's Revelation, and men are still stupid.
..........................................................................................THIS IS A RELIEF !!!!!!!!
because,
if men were NOT STUPID.... it would be so much worse for men to be sooooo WRONG sooooo OFTEN !!!
right? get it? if men were not so stupid, then all the foolishness on earth would be ///// SMART !?!?
so it is ........................................
................................................................................................. A VERY REAL RELIEF
that all men are stupid.
(with a few exceptions.) (by God's Grace only).......................
........................................................... as for WOMEN...... well..... JESUS LOVES THEM, and HE
SURE CAN HELP THEM when no man can............................ JESUS IS GOD, and JESUS CAN HELP
and JESUS wants to help IF IF IF ..................... HE can get people to stop trusting STUPID MEN.
yes,
some
women are WRONG also. (some here on this thread). that's normal. so don't trust women. it's not safe nor good.
JESUS CAN HELP. so trust JESUS. always in line with HIS WORD. YAHWEH'S WORD (THE BIBLE).
ALWAYS IN LINE WITH HIS WORD (GOD honors HIS WORD more than he honors his own NAME !!!!)
......................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it is written. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
trust yahweh(god). by grace through faith in yahshua(jesus savior messiah).
simple. yes?
the reason for so much arguing on this forum is because men are stupid. they believe stupid things.
they don't know it. some reply very very gently. some not so gently. some with severe chastisement.
men are still stupid.
they don't know it.
some reply with SCRIPTURE, and men are still stupid.
some reply with God's Revelation, and men are still stupid.
..........................................................................................THIS IS A RELIEF !!!!!!!!
because,
if men were NOT STUPID.... it would be so much worse for men to be sooooo WRONG sooooo OFTEN !!!
right? get it? if men were not so stupid, then all the foolishness on earth would be ///// SMART !?!?
so it is ........................................
................................................................................................. A VERY REAL RELIEF
that all men are stupid.
(with a few exceptions.) (by God's Grace only).......................
........................................................... as for WOMEN...... well..... JESUS LOVES THEM, and HE
SURE CAN HELP THEM when no man can............................ JESUS IS GOD, and JESUS CAN HELP
and JESUS wants to help IF IF IF ..................... HE can get people to stop trusting STUPID MEN.
yes,
some
women are WRONG also. (some here on this thread). that's normal. so don't trust women. it's not safe nor good.
JESUS CAN HELP. so trust JESUS. always in line with HIS WORD. YAHWEH'S WORD (THE BIBLE).
ALWAYS IN LINE WITH HIS WORD (GOD honors HIS WORD more than he honors his own NAME !!!!)
......................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it is written. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
trust yahweh(god). by grace through faith in yahshua(jesus savior messiah).
simple. yes?
D
This forum is so mild unlike the others, there is just no comparison between them. Its so bad out there that I have resolved that this would be my last christian forum I will participate in thus the reason I doubled back after I deleted myself, I just cant be a part of the other forums any more, it doesnt feel right for me anymore.
I am through with all christian forums after this forum, so when my time is up here I am finally finished.
Ten years on forums and not much accomplished or even gained? Not even lasting freindships online?
Its all the same, no lasting city (just get used to it) and move on (wherever the wind blows).
I am through with all christian forums after this forum, so when my time is up here I am finally finished.
Ten years on forums and not much accomplished or even gained? Not even lasting freindships online?
Its all the same, no lasting city (just get used to it) and move on (wherever the wind blows).
