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eternally-gratefull

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Again I'm not high lighting tongues. Please everybody, STOP with the tongues already. There are different spiritual functions whereby the Holy Spirit longs to operate with through individuals, all the members, not just through Pastor Wonderful which the clerical position is not biblical.
The Sunday deal is nonsense. Meet with others any day anywhere. Where 2 or 3 are gathered......how simple He made it, how gummed up we fixed it!!
thats why people said your premise was wrong. how are they to know what your saying.

You said, your church on sunday.

one of the functions of the church is to evangelise. so If I am sharing the gospel. I am doing my church function, even though there is not 2 or 3 gathered, and fulfilling the passage you spoke of.

that is our point.
 
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thats why people said your premise was wrong. how are they to know what your saying.

You said, your church on sunday.

one of the functions of the church is to evangelise. so If I am sharing the gospel. I am doing my church function, even though there is not 2 or 3 gathered, and fulfilling the passage you spoke of.

that is our point.
Is this how your 'church' operates on sunday morning?

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
1Cor.12
You did say Sunday
 

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All we have to do, Yet, is look at Paul's letter to the church at Corinth to see what you're suggesting -- at least, what it seems your suggesting -- is not orderly, in his opinion.

We've mentioned tongues a lot, I know, but the same goes for prophesying, giving a "word of knowledge" or "of faith," as well as any choice of "signs and wonders" you'd care to name. These things aren't necessary in light of the full revelation of God through the Word, which is His Son, and the Holy-Spirit-inspired words of the writers of the Bible.
So these things are not necessary......what else do you deem in the NT not necessary? Please enlighten us all. Where have you been all my life? Thank God you're here now to tell us what scriptures to avoid/delete! Silly me to think that all the word to the ekklesia was relevant! God bless you bro..
 

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Why do you figure I said Sunday? Wait for it now....wait for it...because most christians do their thing on Sunday. Simple as that. That wasn't to hard was it? Come on folks...please use your heads a little! Help me out some!
 

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thats why people said your premise was wrong. how are they to know what your saying.

You said, your church on sunday.

one of the functions of the church is to evangelise. so If I am sharing the gospel. I am doing my church function, even though there is not 2 or 3 gathered, and fulfilling the passage you spoke of.

that is our point.
Huh? What the duce r u talking about? I'm done. You guys aren't ready! He told me that, in '77 through a prophecy 'the church is not ready for you YET! ' this blindness is ridiculous. It covers all of Christendom except for a small rejected remnant.
 
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So these things are not necessary......what else do you deem in the NT not necessary? Please enlighten us all. Where have you been all my life? Thank God you're here now to tell us what scriptures to avoid/delete! Silly me to think that all the word to the ekklesia was relevant! God bless you bro..
We've been civil to one another to this point, so can we please drop the sarcasm? Thanks.

Paul himself, in 1 Corinthians 13, tells us these things will cease "when the perfect" comes. Jesus is not a "the" so he wasn't talking about Him. "Perfect" is teleioß (teleios) -- "complete" or "it is finished," the very words Christ used on the Cross. Since "perfect" is a neuter noun, it has to be a thought, idea, or concept. Given the context, and the unequivocal declaration the gifts will cease, the question is, what replaces them as the confirming word of God through Christ, that everyone may know, with a heart opened by the Holy Spirit, that it is the only truth that exists?

Difficult question to answer, but as the "signs and wonders" ministry of Christ confirmed Him to be sent by God, and He passed that gift on only to His most closely trusted disciples -- i.e., The Twelve -- the only logical answer is that the confirmation comes through the Word alive in the believer. The changed lives and hearts, the good works done in response to His love -- the very works Christ "prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10) -- are the confirming "signs" by which the message is preached and received gladly. The only miracles necessary to "prove" the Word is what He has done in us who believe.
 
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Huh? What the duce r u talking about? I'm done. You guys aren't ready! He told me that, in '77 through a prophecy 'the church is not ready for you YET! ' this blindness is ridiculous. It covers all of Christendom except for a small rejected remnant.
I do not think your ready.

When you have a specific question ask us, Your question is so broad, you will never get an answer.

Yet people have been telling you this, you do not seem to listen.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Why do you figure I said Sunday? Wait for it now....wait for it...because most christians do their thing on Sunday. Simple as that. That wasn't to hard was it? Come on folks...please use your heads a little! Help me out some!
Because you said this

Originally Posted by Yet

Is this how your 'church' operates on sunday morning?

or did you forget your origional question?
 
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Why do you figure I said Sunday? Wait for it now....wait for it...because most christians do their thing on Sunday. Simple as that. That wasn't to hard was it? Come on folks...please use your heads a little! Help me out some!
I was never given the gift of mind reader

And I am known as the house retard here (sorry again)
 
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Huh? What the duce r u talking about? I'm done. You guys aren't ready! He told me that, in '77 through a prophecy 'the church is not ready for you YET! ' this blindness is ridiculous. It covers all of Christendom except for a small rejected remnant.
I'm curious about something...

I've agreed with you and sought to encourage you and you've completely ignored me. Is there a reason for that? Like I said, I'm just curious. Thanks.
 
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Seems many today want to all hold hands and sing kum bye ya, creating a nice cloak for wolves to hide in so they can lay waste to the flock. Who cares about judgement and truth when people have itchy ears and little to no integrity right? Have fun in you love feasts.......
The word tells me I have been given discernment to know who the wolves are. This is what strong meat of the word gives to the spiritually mature.

If you are the shepherd of a flock and do not know who the wolves are, then you should not be a shepherd.
 
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So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? A true gathering of believers according to the inspired word of God? Why would God go to all the trouble to express to us His desire for an organic living body with every part functional in an open meeting/gathering/fellowship/assembly, if it was not of paramount importance?
A body for the Son to express Himself through and to minister through each part, edifying one another to the building up of the whole to the fullness of the stature of Christ? If you don't think this is not important, for the local body refuses this structure, then tell us why it is not important! When were these truths deleted?
I believe your use of 1 Cor 12 for this OP was wrong, perhaps you meant 1 Cor 14?

Gifts are listed in 1 Cor 12, order of service is listed in 1 Cor 14.
 
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please quit narrowing this down to the tongue issue. Go read 1Cor. 12 and Romans 12. There are many functions.
Biblically practiced? What have I been saying?
What you call functions are not natural functions they are supernatural gifts and in 1 Cor 12, they are given as the spirit wills.
 

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I'll try another time. I'll leave you with scripture...again.

1Cor.12:28
and God hath set some in the assembly, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, governments, diversities of tongues, and the single executive salaried pastor .......oops! Strike that pastor part out....it's not in there. Now it's up to you folks to figure out why the controlling paid pastor is not in the nt.
Someone got on me for sounding rude. I think I've controlled myself pretty good considering I'm out numbered and your answers to my point are mis guided. You aught to try this on for size and see if you don't get a bit frustrated.
So much lack of concentration. Not being a smart alec, just alarmed at the shallowness of thinking. I cleared the point about Sunday church and you didn't even begin to hear what I said. Scary.
Milk instead of meat with some of you. Sad. Just quoting Paul!
 

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I guess I should have said 'is this how your church operates on Monday morning' then none of you would have been so confused.
 
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I guess I should have said 'is this how your church operates on Monday morning' then none of you would have been so confused.
Your still missing the point, 1 Cor 12 is not about function, it is about gifts given to the body and not an "order of service" as you are attempting to make it out to be. 1 Cor 14 details order of service.

How you can rant against organized church without understanding the difference between 1 Cor 12 & 1 Cor 14 is beyond me. That is unless, you do not fully understand what 1 Cor 12 is stating.

Before accusing others of being confused, read through 1 Cor 14, then come back and try it again. It would seem the only one confused is you.
 
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I guess I should have said 'is this how your church operates on Monday morning' then none of you would have been so confused.

no, You should have said is this how your church operates every day.
 

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no, You should have said is this how your church operates every day.
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News flash:your diversionary tactic can't fool me. I'm on to you. You see I have had 40 years of dealing with smart butt christians. So your cuteness won't work with me. Good try however!
 
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with exceptions , rare as they are, yahweh willing, yahweh instructing, we don't call it ekklesia. we call it "the form of religion with no power thereof" (a whitewashed grave with all the accouterments of death and death deal-ing and puppets of the prince of the power of the air in charge of it.)

So the question is begged: if what passes off as 'church' on Sunday doesn't even begin to resemble what Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit(the Father), has written and recorded for us, then can we continue to call it a legitimate, bonafide assembly of NT saints? ....
 
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no, You should have said is this how your church operates every day.
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News flash:your diversionary tactic can't fool me. I'm on to you. You see I have had 40 years of dealing with smart butt christians. So your cuteness won't work with me. Good try however!
And we are on to you. It is very evident somebody is self called to a ministry office, they are not graced to be in and somebody got hurt and offended because they stood up and interrupted the pastor with either a tongue or a word. Somebody got really hurt and the spirit of rejection came upon them because after the interruption, they were either openly rebuked by the Pastor, correctly ushered out of the service, or told after service that timing is everything and that the Holy Ghost is a gentleman and would never interrupt a service, especially during the sermon. That someone is shown 1 Cor 14 over and over again, but refuses to listen or read, because their pride is in the way.

This happened to someone over and over again and at many different churches and that someone continued getting hurt, offended and rejected. It is now a root of bitterness so large, that it is manifested into all out attacks against the church, Pastors and any form of organized worship.

This someone uses out of context scriptures to support their view. They always further claim God spoke to them directly why they are being rejected. They further claim that the Holy Ghost is not free or allowed to move at any church they attend. Most of the venom is injected by their snake bites towards the ministry office of the pastor, because that is who has stopped this someone dead in their tracks time and time again.

I have dealt with this someone many times as a former Pastor and they are all the same. They despise being told God is a God of order and believe the office of the Pastor should bow down to the office of the Apostle or so called Prophet, becuase 1 Cor 12.28 lists an order.

The Pastor is appointed by the Holy Ghost to the flock he oversees , part of being a great shepherd is protecting sheep from the wolves. Most of these someones are wolves and nothing more. While a few of these someones might be graced in the gifts they claim and need maturing, equipping and completing to learn to operate in their gifts The difference is how the shepherd discerns the heart of the person. I was taught by the holy Ghost to look for pride and if the heart of the person bashes local authority in the church.

I do not know how many times somebody would call telling me I am prophet sop and so, or apostle average joe and you need me to help you in your church. No thanks I would say.

There are reasons why not everyone who claims to be a minister of God is ever handed a microphone or allowed on the platform. As a local Shepherd appointed to oversee a flock it is the local Pastors authority that dictates who can speak to his sheep or not. At the end of the day, the local pastor is accountable to God for the well being of God's sheep.

A wise and discerning shepherd would never let someone interrupt or speak to the sheep that would cause confusion, hurt or say anything that does not line up with the word.

Those that suggest the Shepherd is not God's authority in the church and another ministry gift as the right to go beyond the authority of said shepherd, is hurt, offended and operating in rejection and has never really understood Biblical authority.