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So although the manifestation of tongues, prophesy, manifestation of word of knowledge are done away, we can utilize the manifestation of discerning of spirits?
Yes simple reading is the best . . . it's as I have said before how do we see scripture face to face? Do we know and understand everything in scripture as we are known? Do we see everything clearly now? From the evidence seen on this forum and the many different threads . . . I don't think so.
Yes simple reading is the best . . . it's as I have said before how do we see scripture face to face? Do we know and understand everything in scripture as we are known? Do we see everything clearly now? From the evidence seen on this forum and the many different threads . . . I don't think so.
I received the gift of holy spirit just the same as every believer - when I was born again. I did attend a charismatic church and I did want to speak in tongues . . . I stood in line with others . . . I watched people speak in tongues, I watched people "slain in the spirit", I watched people run up and down the aisles . . . I prayed and asked God to JUST give me the gift of speaking in tongues [yes, at that time I thought it was a gift - not knowing that it was a "manifestation" of the gift I already had - the gift of holy spirit]. When I asked God to let me speak in tongues - I also asked him to NOT LET me do anything foolish as what I saw others doing. I opened my mouth - nothing. I thought [not being taught] that God would just "possess" me and MAKE me speak.
A few years later, I started attending home fellowships. I loved the smaller groups and the teaching of the word of God. There in those meetings, people spake in tongues with interpretation - one by one and at the most by three. It was right in line with scripture that I read. I started asking and as they expounded unto me the scripture - how it is not a gift just given to a select few - that is was a manifestation of what I had received already on the inside - that God does not possess people - that it works just like any communication - your mouth, your vocal cords, your tongue - you utilize the mechanics of speech but what comes out is from God. I was alone at home, praying and seeking God and started speaking in tongues. I just broke down in tears.
I know that this will be taken and will be ridiculed in some way but this is my experience.
A few years later, I started attending home fellowships. I loved the smaller groups and the teaching of the word of God. There in those meetings, people spake in tongues with interpretation - one by one and at the most by three. It was right in line with scripture that I read. I started asking and as they expounded unto me the scripture - how it is not a gift just given to a select few - that is was a manifestation of what I had received already on the inside - that God does not possess people - that it works just like any communication - your mouth, your vocal cords, your tongue - you utilize the mechanics of speech but what comes out is from God. I was alone at home, praying and seeking God and started speaking in tongues. I just broke down in tears.
I know that this will be taken and will be ridiculed in some way but this is my experience.
Shame of it is that people want to pull out one verse from 3 chapters to rely on.
Tongues is the same as prophecy when interpreted - He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except (unless) he interpret that the church may receive edifying.
Anyway - remember according to some - prophecy is also out of there along with tongues and word of knowledge.
Tongues is the same as prophecy when interpreted - He that speaketh in an tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except (unless) he interpret that the church may receive edifying.
Anyway - remember according to some - prophecy is also out of there along with tongues and word of knowledge.
Exactly. Is this world perfected? I don't think even the biggest gifts deniers will say that. When will perfection come? When Christ returns to rule over this world. Again, God never intended us to be sick. We will however continue to be sick until Christ comes and brings perfection to this world. In the meantime, we have the gift of healing to get us thru. And it is the same with all the gifts. Tongues is the Godly perfected singular spiritual language to come when Christ returns, made available to us today thru the Holy Spirit.
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I still have strong reservations about unknown tongues; but everything you have said about them is consistent with Scripture.
I don't feel any need or desire to practice them. If the Holy Spirit ever gives them to me, I will consult Him, and Scripture, on how to use them. Meanwhile I will obey the Scriptural injunction NOT to forbid them.
I, for one, have no quarrel with you regarding them.
I still have strong reservations about unknown tongues; but everything you have said about them is consistent with Scripture.
I don't feel any need or desire to practice them. If the Holy Spirit ever gives them to me, I will consult Him, and Scripture, on how to use them. Meanwhile I will obey the Scriptural injunction NOT to forbid them.
I, for one, have no quarrel with you regarding them.
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You're incredible. If I wasn't interested in heaven I'd say more. God's word has come. When the printing press was invented, the word spread like wildfire. Tongues are no longer needed. Tongues were for two reasons - one a show of God's power, and the other, a spread of the gospel. God's power is not in dispute, nor is his gospel. You, sir, need to change where you are and how you got there.