Keeping the law = Salvation (Right???)

[Jason0047]

`Dear BH:

Again, I ask you.

Do you believe in any of the deadly seven?

Here are OSAS's Commonly Held Dark Beliefs:

#1. Future Sins are Forgiven.
#2. Sin only leads to Physical Death and Not Spiritual Death.
#3. You can be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved.
#4. Not Confessing one Serious Sin before you die will not Send You to Hell.
#5. Once a Son Always a Son or You Cannot be Unborn.
#6. Sin Cannot break the seal of the Spirit.
#7. We are sinners and nobody can be perfect (and nor can they stop sinning ever).

I contend that these beliefs above lead to a doctrine of immorality and not holiness. For such beliefs above will lead one to think they can sin and still be saved.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to Judgment; and some men they follow after. ^^^^^^^^^

Sorry Jason, it is what is is. your gospel is the Gospel according to 'jason' so very evident.... your Spirit Blasphemy is NOTED, the Risen Christ, God manifest in the flesh, also knows of your folly.. YOUR works heresy, is very evident, I'm not the only one to see that.. but BOLD ENOUGH to call you on it.. This boldness, comes from the Living Savior, Christ God manifest in the Flesh, He the One who Found Me and Saved me, and Washed me with His Holy Ghost, this the one you call 'evil'.. sorry.. you are of the circumcision, christ + works for justification... the command is to REBUKE them sharply.. christ + works of righteousness for jusification is another gospel.. and for those who teach and preach that.. let him/her be cursed!

But though we, or an Angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. GALATIANS 1:8

 

[crossnote]

I'm on a tablet so my responses are short and to the point (try it).
ALL SIN...not just past. Forgiven. You can't seem to get past that.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

When Christ died ALL .......
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brother Cross,

some how I feel that the command that we must rely and totally depend
on our ADVOCATE, JESUS CHRIST, OUR REDEEMER, for the remission our our PAST sins
in your vocabulary is gone amiss.

every SIN that the New Man commits Must be brought before our 'Advocate=Intercessor =
and He so lovingly tells us that He will submit Himself to the Father for us in the most humble Love
imaginable and ask His Father to forgive us by His Holy Name in total humility that we may be able
to come before our Holy Creator in the Love and submission.

above carnal imagination - above our 'old-man' =
but not above the knowledge of the 'new-man'.

Colossians 2:13...we have been forgiven all our sins.
I'll wait on your verse. Would you deny...?

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

The above is true correct? That's my only point.

 

[Jason0047]

Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to Judgment; and some men they follow after. ^^^^^^^^^

Sorry Jason, it is what is is. your gospel is the Gospel according to 'jason' so very evident.... your Spirit Blasphemy is NOTED, the Risen Christ, God manifest in the flesh, also knows of your folly.. YOUR works heresy, is very evident, I'm not the only one to see that.. but BOLD ENOUGH to call you on it.. This boldness, comes from the Living Savior, Christ God manifest in the Flesh, He the One who Found Me and Saved me, and Washed me with His Holy Ghost, this the one you call 'evil'.. sorry.. you are of the circumcision, christ + works for justification... the command is to REBUKE them sharply.. christ + works of righteousness for jusification is another gospel.. and for those who teach and preach that.. let him/her be cursed!

But though we, or an Angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, lethimbe accursed. GALATIANS 1:8

No dear sir. May the Lord rebuke you for saying that lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness. May the Lord rebuke you for saying corruption is a lovely thing. For you have not the love of God about you. You come accross as prideful and arrogant the moment I met you. May the Lord rebuke you for your false accusations against me and hateful way. Yes, I said you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine (of which you deny). But if you believe lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness that is precisely what I have to conclude (Unless of course that is not what you meant). But see, I do love you in Christ Jesus, and I do hope that you see where I am coming from. I will be praying for you and hope that you will take back what you said and that you will learn to have love, and peace fill you. For do you have that love and peace of God right now? Do you care that I have it or not?

Why do you refuse to talk to me on whether or not a believer is allowed to sin or not? Will you ever talk about such a thing? Did not Paul talk about such a thing? Paul says shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law?

Anyways, I will be praying for you.
Will you be doing the same for me?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

No dear sir. I rebuke you for saying that lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness. I rebuke you for saying corruption is a lovely thing. For you have not the love of God about you. You come accross as prideful and arrogant the moment I met you. May the Lord rebuke you for your false accusations against me and hateful way. Yes, I said you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine (of which you deny). But if you believe lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness that is precisely what I have to conclude (Unless of course that is not what you meant). But see, I do love you in Christ Jesus, and I do hope that you see where I am coming from. I will be praying for you and hope that you will take back what you said and that you will learn to have love, and peace fill you. For do you have that love and peace of God right now? Do you care that I have it or not?

Why do you refuse to talk to me on whether or not a believer is allowed to sin or not? Will you ever talk about such a thing? Did not Paul talk about such a thing? Paul says shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law?

Anyways, I will be praying for you.
Will you be doing the same for me?

Sorry Jason... your CORRUPTED.... 'there is a SIN UNTO DEATH, I do not say that he/she shall pray for it'... John as he wrote to the Elect of God in the Parchments He was led to Write on.. sorry.. there is some corruption that is NOT REACHABLE by the Blood of Christ..

 

[Jason0047]

For if anything you said was true, and you were not afraid in having your beliefs exposed, then why did you not answer any of the deadly 7 beliefs of OSAS above?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

No dear sir. May the Lord rebuke you for saying that lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness. May the Lord rebuke you for saying corruption is a lovely thing. For you have not the love of God about you. You come accross as prideful and arrogant the moment I met you. May the Lord rebuke you for your false accusations against me and hateful way. Yes, I said you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine (of which you deny). But if you believe lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness that is precisely what I have to conclude (Unless of course that is not what you meant). But see, I do love you in Christ Jesus, and I do hope that you see where I am coming from. I will be praying for you and hope that you will take back what you said and that you will learn to have love, and peace fill you. For do you have that love and peace of God right now? Do you care that I have it or not?

Why do you refuse to talk to me on whether or not a believer is allowed to sin or not? Will you ever talk about such a thing? Did not Paul talk about such a thing? Paul says shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law?

Anyways, I will be praying for you.
Will you be doing the same for me?

But all these things will they do unto you for My Name's Sake, because they Know not Him that Sent me.

If I had not Come and Spoken unto them, they had not had Sin: but now they have no Cloke for their Sin.

He that Hateth Me Hateth My Father also.------------John 15 INDEED!

 

[PeterJens]

Ok now that I have your attention I want to put a challenge to every user of CC. It feels to me as if I say the following verses at least once a day:

There is one simple answer to your question. How do you tell when someone is ill? They have a fever. You do not say people without a fever are cured, just they have no symptoms. The law simply identifies how to identify the illness, not how to cure it. Jesus is the cure, a demonstration of eternal love and intention speaking to the heart of every believer, empowering their ability to obey the law, not because the law exists, but because they love.

Using the law you can tell if a group have made the love work or are just hypocrites.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

No dear sir. May the Lord rebuke you for saying that lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness. May the Lord rebuke you for saying corruption is a lovely thing. For you have not the love of God about you. You come accross as prideful and arrogant the moment I met you. May the Lord rebuke you for your false accusations against me and hateful way. Yes, I said you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine (of which you deny). But if you believe lawlessness is not submitting to God's righteousness that is precisely what I have to conclude (Unless of course that is not what you meant). But see, I do love you in Christ Jesus, and I do hope that you see where I am coming from. I will be praying for you and hope that you will take back what you said and that you will learn to have love, and peace fill you. For do you have that love and peace of God right now? Do you care that I have it or not?

Why do you refuse to talk to me on whether or not a believer is allowed to sin or not? Will you ever talk about such a thing? Did not Paul talk about such a thing? Paul says shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law?

Anyways, I will be praying for you.
Will you be doing the same for me?

want to take a guess as to whom you derive your 'power source from'? mmmm

 

[Blain]

Good grief this has turned into a battle field.... But we knew this coming.

 

[Grandpa]

There is no such thing as future sins. All sin is in the past. First you have to commit it for it to be sin. Then after it is committed it is sin. And therefore in the past. Already done.

There is no point in beating yourself up over the past. Just come back to the Lord, and His Mercy and Grace and be loved and forgiven. Again...

The Lord Jesus doesn't have a problem with sin. We have a problem with sin. We have made up all these constructs about it in our minds and "theology". We say in our heads "oh, we have sinned, we are out of fellowship" and other such non-sense.

The Lord came to you and you came to the Lord while you were yet a sinner. This is true for all of us. Does the Lord just give up on you because you commit another sin? Will you give up on Him because of your sin? That would be very un-profitable indeed. The Lord Jesus is the only one that can cleanse you of your sin and make you whole. Does it scare Him that you sin? Is He frightened that you haven't been able to make yourself Perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect?

I hope those questions sound as silly to you as they did to me when I typed them.

I contend that any belief other than the belief of coming to Christ and receiving rest is un-profitable. Is there anything that Christ can't do? Is there any problem too big or too complex for Him to handle?

Come to Christ and see that He is good.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

`Dear BH:

Again, I ask you.

Do you believe in any of the deadly seven?

Here are OSAS's Commonly Held Dark Beliefs:

#1. Future Sins are Forgiven.
#2. Sin only leads to Physical Death and Not Spiritual Death.
#3. You can be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved.
#4. Not Confessing one Serious Sin before you die will not Send You to Hell.
#5. Once a Son Always a Son or You Cannot be Unborn.
#6. Sin Cannot break the seal of the Spirit.
#7. We are sinners and nobody can be perfect (and nor can they stop sinning ever).

I contend that these beliefs above lead to a doctrine of immorality and not holiness. For such beliefs above will lead one to think they can sin and still be saved.

^^^ What is this? once saved always saved doctrine? who's doctrine is that? what is that about??? I dont follow Sects or denominations or man made theology.. who has this doctrine? are you trying to lump me into a 'sect' or a belief system? it wont work.. sorry.. continue to follow man Jason.. in the end ye will die in your sin.. indeed!

 

[Jason0047]

But all these things will they do unto you for My Name's Sake, because they Know not Him that Sent me.

If I had not Come and Spoken unto them, they had not had Sin: but now they have no Cloke for their Sin.

He that Hateth Me Hateth My Father also.------------John 15 INDEED!

Well, I am not the one posting pictures of wolves. Hate? I have no hate for you, dear sir. I am praying for you.

 

[Jason0047]

^^^ What is this? once saved always saved doctrine? who's doctrine is that? what is that about??? I dont follow Sects or denominations or man made theology.. who has this doctrine? are you trying to lump me into a 'sect' or a belief system? it wont work.. sorry.. continue to follow man Jason.. in the end ye will die in your sin.. indeed!

That really doesn't answer whether or not you believe in any of the deadly 7 above or not. Do you believe in any of those 7 beliefs?

 

[Jason0047]

There is no such thing as future sins. All sin is in the past. First you have to commit it for it to be sin. Then after it is committed it is sin. And therefore in the past. Already done.

There is no point in beating yourself up over the past. Just come back to the Lord, and His Mercy and Grace and be loved and forgiven. Again...

The Lord Jesus doesn't have a problem with sin. We have a problem with sin. We have made up all these constructs about it in our minds and "theology". We say in our heads "oh, we have sinned, we are out of fellowship" and other such non-sense.

The Lord came to you and you came to the Lord while you were yet a sinner. This is true for all of us. Does the Lord just give up on you because you commit another sin? Will you give up on Him because of your sin? That would be very un-profitable indeed. The Lord Jesus is the only one that can cleanse you of your sin and make you whole. Does it scare Him that you sin? Is He frightened that you haven't been able to make yourself Perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect?

I hope those questions sound as silly to you as they did to me when I typed them.

I contend that any belief other than the belief of coming to Christ and receiving rest is un-profitable. Is there anything that Christ can't do? Is there any problem too big or too complex for Him to handle?

Come to Christ and see that He is good.

Well, I do not believe future sin is forgiven. Future sin is in context to those who think Christ paid for all sin they will commit because Christ died and paid the price for sin a long time ago before we were even born (Which is what some believe). Those who believe future sin is forgiven because before they even commit that sin, the Lord has already forgiven them of that sin. But that is not what Scripture teaches, though. Scripture says if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin. Scripture says if we walk in the light as he is in the Light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. That is what Scripture teaches that so many deny today.

 

[WheresEnoch]

^^^ What is this? once saved always saved doctrine? who's doctrine is that? what is that about??? I dont follow Sects or denominations or man made theology.. who has this doctrine? are you trying to lump me into a 'sect' or a belief system? it wont work.. sorry.. continue to follow man Jason.. in the end ye will die in your sin.. indeed!

BH you are so far from abiding in Christ with all these horrible accusations and condemning people it's making me sick to my stomach. Knock it off, Jason isn't condemned to hell and an antichrist and all the other things you tell people who you disagree with.

These aren't members of some cult with perverse doctrines, these are brothers. We can disagree with each other on things, we are all at different places, but we can't disagree in this way. It means we are out of line with God's will when we act in such a way.

 

[Jason0047]

Dear BH:

Do you believe a Christian must walk in the light as he is in the light so as to be cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus Christ?

Do you believe a Christian must confess their sin in order to be forgiven of sin?

Do you believe God or Christians are quick to judge or do you think they both are patient and kind and loving towards others?

 

[Jason0047]

BH you are so far from abiding in Christ with all these horrible accusations and condemning people it's making me sick to my stomach. Knock it off, Jason isn't condemned to hell and an antichrist and all the other things you tell people who you disagree with.

These aren't members of some cult with perverse doctrines, these are brothers. We can disagree with each other on things, we are all at different places, but we can't disagree in this way. It means we are out of line with God's will when we act in such a way.

Thanks WE. I appreciate the loving brotherly kindness.

 

[WheresEnoch]

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude or pick on anyone. It's just not good. These are doctrinal topics, not life and death (atleast not directly). It's more important to act according to our calling than know every possible aspect of the faith all at once.

 

[Grandpa]

Well, I do not believe future sin is forgiven. Future sin is in context to those who think Christ paid for all sin they will commit because Christ died and paid the price for sin a long time ago before we were even born (Which is what some believe). Those who believe future sin is forgiven because before they even commit that sin, the Lord has already forgiven them of that sin. But that is not what Scripture teaches, though. Scripture says if we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin. Scripture says if we walk in the light as he is in the Light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. That is what Scripture teaches that so many deny today.

There is a difference between intellectual philosophy of Christianity and what sin is and isn't, and actually coming to Christ.

Walking in the Light as He is in the Light is critical in the Life of a believer. You have to admit that you are powerless in your fight against your flesh and carnal mind. The carnal mind and flesh has no ability to conquer the carnal mind and flesh!!! Only the Spirit has this ability to conquer the carnal mind, and you have no ability to grow yourself Spiritually... You must come to Christ for this.

It doesn't matter what your intellectual thought on what sin is or what I tell you sin is. All that matters is that you are honest about it before the Lord Jesus Christ.


I could easily agree with you and say future sin is not forgiven. Because there is no such thing as future sin. It is a construct you have made up in your head because you don't want to believe the goodness of God. There is One that is Good. And its not you. Nor is it me, if you think I'm somehow being self-righteous.

If you truly want someone to produce good works you lead them to Christ. If you truly want people to overcome sin you lead them to Christ. If you truly want people to have Victory in their lives you lead them to Christ. You don't tell them all the things you think they are doing wrong, as if they could fix it themselves.

John 15:5 [SUP] [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.