Keeping the law = Salvation (Right???)
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Never mind him, he is truthfully beyond help and Redemption... Jesus was Right... 'they cannot escape the damnation of Gehenna'.. I held out for maybe some hope.. but his 'fruit' is evident.. the Wicked one has really polished him up well.. wow.. very very well.. To bad he will have to Answer the One who is alive today, He that was Once physically dead.. He that is Ordained, called and Chosen to be the Judge of the living and the dead(spiritually) Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, God manifest in the flesh...
Well, I am saying to those who believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine that they are not forgiven and that they are working evil. Nowhere did I ever say that the true believer who confesses and forsakes sin is working evil. You are the one who is falsely assuming that on the behalf of God and falsely accusing me as if that is what I am saying. For there are many here who do believe they can sin and still be saved. Yes, they will not always come out and admit that openly, but that is essentially what they believe.
Do you believe in any of the deadly seven?
Here are OSAS's Commonly Held Dark Beliefs:
#1. Future Sins are Forgiven.
#2. Sin only leads to Physical Death and Not Spiritual Death.
#3. You can be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved.
#4. Not Confessing one Serious Sin before you die will not Send You to Hell.
#5. Once a Son Always a Son or You Cannot be Unborn.
#6. Sin Cannot break the seal of the Spirit.
#7. We are sinners and nobody can be perfect (and nor can they stop sinning ever).
Do you believe in any of the deadly seven?
Here are OSAS's Commonly Held Dark Beliefs:
#1. Future Sins are Forgiven.
#2. Sin only leads to Physical Death and Not Spiritual Death.
#3. You can be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved.
#4. Not Confessing one Serious Sin before you die will not Send You to Hell.
#5. Once a Son Always a Son or You Cannot be Unborn.
#6. Sin Cannot break the seal of the Spirit.
#7. We are sinners and nobody can be perfect (and nor can they stop sinning ever).
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Jn 1:28
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. KJV
Note that it says the sin NOT the sins. Jesus paid for and forgave all sin collectively not for individual sins.
Since they were paid for and forgiven collectively; they do NOT need to be confessed and repented of individually
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. KJV
Note that it says the sin NOT the sins. Jesus paid for and forgave all sin collectively not for individual sins.
Since they were paid for and forgiven collectively; they do NOT need to be confessed and repented of individually
This is in reference to Jesus paying the sin debt of all of mankind so as to offer the free gift. But just because Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world does not mean everyone is forgiven, though. A person has to take action and receive the gift. Then a person has to continue to abide in Christ and allow His righteousness to flow thru them.
Anyways, 1 John 2:1 and 1 John 1:9 does not allow for your interpretation, though. It says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. This is in context to seasoned believers as seen in 1 John 2:1. John tells the brethren not to sin but if they do, they have an advocate that they can go to.
Anyways, 1 John 2:1 and 1 John 1:9 does not allow for your interpretation, though. It says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. This is in context to seasoned believers as seen in 1 John 2:1. John tells the brethren not to sin but if they do, they have an advocate that they can go to.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is speaking bad against the Spirit. Speaking bad against one who has a spirit that makes them think they can sin and still be saved is not talking about the Spirit of God because God will condone any of his people in doing evil.
What I said was in context to those who think they can sin and still be saved. If that is not you, then you have nothing to worry about. What concerns me is why did you so strongly disagree with me in what I was saying before?
Do you believe in any of the deadly seven on the list I mentioned above? If you do, then I am afraid for you, dear sir.
In which post do you think I actually accused you falsely?
What I said was in context to those who think they can sin and still be saved. If that is not you, then you have nothing to worry about. What concerns me is why did you so strongly disagree with me in what I was saying before?
Do you believe in any of the deadly seven on the list I mentioned above? If you do, then I am afraid for you, dear sir.
In which post do you think I actually accused you falsely?
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Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him/her: but whosoever Speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him/her, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Either make the tree good, and his/her fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his/her fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his/her fruit.
O generation of Vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Indeed!
I'm saying that you would be obedient and desiring to live right after receiving grace but we are human and still in these bodies that have not been glorified and we will sin (thoughts ect...)
GOD said under grace that if we confess our sins that he is faithful to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
we are weak but he is strong.(the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak)
under law grace was not yet available so they were on their own.
GOD said under grace that if we confess our sins that he is faithful to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
we are weak but he is strong.(the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak)
under law grace was not yet available so they were on their own.
M
Yes they can and eternally grateful put it very well.
I can understand where you are coming from because as a Christian young in the faith, I battled with guilt
and my relationship with God, wasn't so much a relationship, it was more like I was cowering in my socks
waiting for God to zap me every time I did something wrong.
But over time I have discovered the freedom we have in Christ and the grace we have in him.
The difficulty with your current way of thinking is that how do you know you have managed to
remember every single little thing you have done wrong and asked for forgiveness. There are the
really obvious big things, but what about the little things, the little white lies, the times you sin
in anger etc. Or what about the sin of omission, things we should do but we don't.
In short how do you know you have covered everything? What If just one little thing is overlooked
and you therefore don't confess it because you can't remember it. Does this mean a person goes to hell
even though they have accepted Jesus as their saviour and accepted that free gift of life.
I can see why people get caught up in this way of thinking but it's not of God.
Once you know the truth, really know it in your heart, it will set you free and there will be
a whole new way open to you insofar as your relationship with Jesus. It will no longer
be a relationship based on fear, it will be based on love and deep gratitude. A true deep
sense of the mercy and love of God.
When that happens you will have that closer walk with Jesus, you will
do the right thing, not out if fear of getting it wrong, but out of love.
I hope you don't mind but I will pray for you that you will indeed come to know
the depths of the gift of salvation with all its full meaning for you.
Actually that is something we all need prayer for, as no matter how deep we have
gone, there are always new depths to go as we experience that continual renewing
of our mind.
God bless.
x
Galatians 5:1-6,16-26 NKJV
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. [2] Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. [3] And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
[4] You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. [5] For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. [6] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
[16] I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. [18] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [20] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [21] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [24] And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
I can understand where you are coming from because as a Christian young in the faith, I battled with guilt
and my relationship with God, wasn't so much a relationship, it was more like I was cowering in my socks
waiting for God to zap me every time I did something wrong.
But over time I have discovered the freedom we have in Christ and the grace we have in him.
The difficulty with your current way of thinking is that how do you know you have managed to
remember every single little thing you have done wrong and asked for forgiveness. There are the
really obvious big things, but what about the little things, the little white lies, the times you sin
in anger etc. Or what about the sin of omission, things we should do but we don't.
In short how do you know you have covered everything? What If just one little thing is overlooked
and you therefore don't confess it because you can't remember it. Does this mean a person goes to hell
even though they have accepted Jesus as their saviour and accepted that free gift of life.
I can see why people get caught up in this way of thinking but it's not of God.
Once you know the truth, really know it in your heart, it will set you free and there will be
a whole new way open to you insofar as your relationship with Jesus. It will no longer
be a relationship based on fear, it will be based on love and deep gratitude. A true deep
sense of the mercy and love of God.
When that happens you will have that closer walk with Jesus, you will
do the right thing, not out if fear of getting it wrong, but out of love.
I hope you don't mind but I will pray for you that you will indeed come to know
the depths of the gift of salvation with all its full meaning for you.
Actually that is something we all need prayer for, as no matter how deep we have
gone, there are always new depths to go as we experience that continual renewing
of our mind.
God bless.
x
Galatians 5:1-6,16-26 NKJV
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. [2] Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. [3] And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
[4] You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. [5] For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. [6] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
[16] I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. [18] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [20] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [21] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [24] And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [26] Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.