Musical Instruments

[secularhermit]

So there was nothing wrong for those in the NT to make circumcision a religious practice?

I don´t know it. I planned to make myself that circumcision at home:

1) to avoid being ruled by church leaders, the way Moses entered into God´s 1st covenat.
2) to avoid being touched by any other man, and without anesthesia.

But that would not add anything new or needed, except that a new man-made rule (just for me)


Joh 7:22 Moses commanded you to circumcise your sons. But it wasn't really Moses who gave you this command. It was your ancestors, and even on the Sabbath you circumcise your sons

Act 7:8 God said to Abraham, "Every son in each family must be circumcised to show that you have kept your agreement with me." So when Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him. Later, Isaac circumcised his son Jacob, and Jacob circumcised his twelve sons.

Exo 4:24 One night while Moses was in camp, the LORD was about to kill him.
Exo 4:25 But Zipporah circumcised her son with a flint knife. She touched his legs with the skin she had cut off and said, "My dear son, this blood will protect you."
Exo 4:26 So the LORD did not harm Moses. Then Zipporah said, "Yes, my dear, you are safe because of this circumcision."

 

[secularhermit]

@ YET

I should have said "although", instead: "(Yet, music is a second dish, because God wants US to LISTEN TO HIS SON)."

 

[SeaBass]

No, they are not comparable, sorry your logic is flawed......they tied circumcision to salvation as part of salvation....using instruments to praise God is not tied to salvation and we have BIBLICAL proof of instruments in the OT, Jesus, Paul and others went to the synagogues in the N.T., Instruments in Revelation and in HEAVEN....so your COC dogma and logic is flawed....for once in your life admit the truth and start coming on line with the truth instead of a man made doctrine which is contrary!

Yes, "salvation" was their "excuse" for introducing the religious practice of circumcision yet that "excuse" went beyond what is written. Likewise your "excuse" for the religious practice of IM also goes beyond/above that which is written. They tried to use the OT law as their excuse to make circumcision a NT religious practice and you are doing the very exact thing when you go back to the OT as an "excuse" to use IM. So why should your 'excuse' be accepted and not their 'excuse'?

 

[SeaBass]

I don´t know it. I planned to make myself that circumcision at home:

1) to avoid being ruled by church leaders, the way Moses entered into God´s 1st covenat.
2) to avoid being touched by any other man, and without anesthesia.

But that would not add anything new or needed, except that a new man-made rule (just for me)


Joh 7:22 Moses commanded you to circumcise your sons. But it wasn't really Moses who gave you this command. It was your ancestors, and even on the Sabbath you circumcise your sons

Act 7:8 God said to Abraham, "Every son in each family must be circumcised to show that you have kept your agreement with me." So when Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him. Later, Isaac circumcised his son Jacob, and Jacob circumcised his twelve sons.

Exo 4:24 One night while Moses was in camp, the LORD was about to kill him.
Exo 4:25 But Zipporah circumcised her son with a flint knife. She touched his legs with the skin she had cut off and said, "My dear son, this blood will protect you."
Exo 4:26 So the LORD did not harm Moses. Then Zipporah said, "Yes, my dear, you are safe because of this circumcision."

You answered "I don't know it" but from Acts 15 and the Galatian epistle plainly show it was wrong for them to make circumcision a religious practice even though they were not explicitly commanded NOT to circumcise. So if it was wrong for them to make circumcision a NT religious practice, why/how can it be right to make IM a NT religious practice when both go beyond/above that which is written?

 

[secularhermit]

He! He! (I knew it)

Simply said: Those were their decisions (and beliefs) the way we appropriated them and, for me, I believed Jesus´and the OT teachings (not what men´s letters wanted me to believe).

Did God spare Moses´ life for what his wife did?

Will I be saved by mutilating part of my flesh?


Instead of that, Jesus said:


Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, poke it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body, than for your whole body to end up in hell.

 

[ember]

I tried for years to get into churches with my guitar. Never happened. All doors shut. So maybe it is wrong to use instruments. God never let me. Just kidding. My musical ministry as such,was soundly rejected because the church leaders are stuck on themselves as I have been pointing out on every thread.
Nothing wrong with instruments.

huh. for me it is reverse...I reject much of the way worship and music is handled

personally, I have never been asked to leave or be silent LOL!


ps...I have and can play 3 guitars not all at the same time of course

 

[secularhermit]

Gob tube ha ha. Never heard it called that before.

It´s not far from you.

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[ember]

In the OT at times they were to use a musical instrument (Numbers 10:3,4,8). Like circumcision, nowhere in Christ's NT are Christians commanded to or commanded not to use a musical instrument. And like circumcision, using musical instruments as a religious practice goes beyond/above that which is written and would be an erroneous practice as some had made circumcision. If not, then there would have been nothing wrong with those in the NT that tried to make circumcision a NT religious practice either.

I suppose I shall now have to go outside and choke that robin that is singing its little heart out

too bad...he sounds so pretty too....

 

[secularhermit]

huh. for me it is reverse...I reject much of the way worship and music is handled

personally, I have never been asked to leave or be silent LOL!


ps...I have and can play 3 guitars not all at the same time of course

Hey YET!

She surely would like to make that ONLINE ministry too.

3 guitars?

Maybe she knows something about Tom Scholz and his MIT technology "Rockman"

 

[ember]

well that's more than a feeling...but I digress

 

[secularhermit]

You have been refuted numerous times by many...the problem is your inability to accept truth over COC dogma......!

Hi!

Will you please give me a hyperlink with COC´s dogmas?

 

[secularhermit]

well that's more than a feeling...but I digress

Hmmm!

You made me think (I seldom do it).

How would a song (like more than a feeling) be played if it lacked its sound without playing guitars, drums, or so, by just using lyrics?


I looked out this morning and the sun was gone
Turned on some music to start my day
I lost myself in a familiar song
I closed my eyes and I slipped away

It's more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
'Till I see my Marianne walk away
I see my Marianne walkin' away

So many people have come and gone
Their faces fade as the years go by
Yet I still recall as I wander on
As clear as the sun in the summer sky

It's more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
'Till I see Marianne walk away
I see My Marianne walkin' away

When I'm tired and thinking cold
I hide in my music, forget the day
And dream of a girl I used to know
I closed my eyes and she slipped away
She slipped away

It's more than a feeling, when I hear that old song they used to play (more than a feeling)
I begin dreaming (more than a feeling)
'Till I see your mom walk away
Songwriters: Scholz, Donald T.


Whenever I read this:

Psa 4:1 (A psalm by David for the music leader.
Use stringed instruments.)

I knew something is missing.

 

[atwhatcost]

God commanded NT Christians to sing. If one does not have to do what the bible says when it comes to singing, then one does not have to do anything the bible says, does not even need a bible.

In the OT, the Jew had no choice but to be circumcised if he was to be in a covenant relationship with God, (Genesis 17). Yet Christ's NT does not command the Christian to be circumcised. Christ's NT does not command the Christian to NOT be circumcised either. Paul was indifferent about circumcision saying circumcision and uncircumcision is nothing (1 Cor 7:19)..being circumcised or uncircumcised was a none issue Yet when some try to make circumcision a NT religious practice (examples: Acts 15 and Galatian epistle) then it became an issue, it became error for they went beyond/above which was written (1 Cor 4:6).

In the OT at times they were to use a musical instrument (Numbers 10:3,4,8). Like circumcision, nowhere in Christ's NT are Christians commanded to or commanded not to use a musical instrument. And like circumcision, using musical instruments as a religious practice goes beyond/above that which is written and would be an erroneous practice as some had made circumcision. If not, then there would have been nothing wrong with those in the NT that tried to make circumcision a NT religious practice either.

Where does God command NT Christians to sing? Got to say, I can't if my life depended on it.

 

[posthuman]

I see you made no attempt whatsoever to refute anything that I posted.

yes, we are a bit past "the first and second admonition" with you on this subject.

((Titus 3:10))

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forbid not the trees to clap their hands at the joy of His appearing ​

 

[atwhatcost]

So there was nothing wrong for those in the NT to make circumcision a religious practice?

Want to talk about belly button lint next? I mean we went from instruments to circumcision, so why not belly button lint next?

 

[posthuman]

Want to talk about belly button lint next? I mean we went from instruments to circumcision, so why not belly button lint next?

there is no specific NT authorization for belly-button lint. you need to dig that out, sister!

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[atwhatcost]

Respecfully I would say God is not a dictator!

He made heavens and earth and, if He wants a BAND, why would He be so cheeky, instead of playing the music He likes for Himself?

Have you ever read the Law? Just check out how he wanted his tabernacle. I think you're wrong. God is a dictator. He's got "right" going for him though. And that love, mercy, long-suffering is all very helpful to us. Biggest help -- Jesus. Who took on the law and won.

 

[atwhatcost]

I suppose I shall now have to go outside and choke that robin that is singing its little heart out

too bad...he sounds so pretty too....

Try having a bout of insomnia and that freaking bird is singing at 3 AM! Not so pretty then.

(Looking around.) Oops! Did anyone hear me say that out loud? lol

 

[Shae]

huh. for me it is reverse...I reject much of the way worship and music is handled

personally, I have never been asked to leave or be silent LOL!


ps...I have and can play 3 guitars not all at the same time of course[/QUOTE

Isn't it sad though that you play an instrument that you can't give praise and worship to God with? If we are to do everything for His glory and to give him praise why would you even pick up an instrument if you can't worship God with it??

 

[mwc68]

I play electric and acoustic guitars at my church . We have bass and piano too as well as singers. i have never heard of not having instruments at church and the idea seems a little silly to me