Christians that have demons

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11In him we were also chosen,[SUP]e[/SUP] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation.When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

This states when you believed you were marked in Christ with the Holy Spirit. This States that the Holy Spirit is a deposit for our inheritance in heaven. I do not see where the Holy Spirit is inside at believing for even the devils believe.

 

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If most so called demon busters would actually know what they were dealing with, they would back off in a hurry

As it is, they are led down a never ending downward spiraling avenue of deception...the wretched demons play with them

There is no emphasis on demons in scripture...the emphasis is on our standing in Christ Jesus and in His victory over the devil and all powers

The problem is, many are handling fake currency and the evil spirits happily support them

If a person actually comes to the understanding you cannot believe a single word they say, it changes everything

STOP talking to them ... they lie about everything all the time

The demons answered Jesus because they could not evade Him...however, I don't recall but one place where He asked their name...you can't control them...the moment you enter into conversation with one...if it is an actual demon...it already has you deceived

Since Jesus ministry was recorded on how he did things then we must model that. Since he spoke to them we must also. I dont care if its once he was recorded as asking there name the precedent is thete for you to follow. Pray tell me emoticon of sarcasm do you think that when confronting demons they will stay silent?

 

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someone should start a thread on alters...that would be interesting...but not here...itis mucked up enough already

You could message me and I could help with any questions you have. Or if this is not comfortable for you I could start a thread but it will get mucked up like this. It will go from my I tent to start a positive thread to an onslought of fighting over if they exist and if they are demons. Which ever you choose I will do.

 

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My point of this was none of the healed were said to have unrepentant sin they would not get away from. Also in many cases the prayer is point specific prayer. Praying about unforgiveness getting rid of soul ties and the like.

I do agree with one point, but I do not think it is about demons, it is about releasing spiritual authority from the Lord.
Many times people have been in situations in a church were they have felt badly about a fellow christian and wondered why the Lord has not worked in their life. Only after they repented did they see release in the other persons life.

I agree that if you have obvious sin in you life that you do not repent of, this blocks the Lord moving and doing things in you. But I would not connect that with demons, but with obvious spiritual reality.

And yes you do need special training and help dealing with these cases, but that is not because of the demons involved, you are talking massive trauma and disclocated emotions, personality etc. I suggest you are talking in some regard to super spiritually, and not at a simple, this takes years to grow through, and some will be scared for the whole lives, unless miraculously healed. Also mental illness is involved, and often drugs etc. which are never going to make things easy.

I had a friend who dealt with alcoholics and mentally ill people and it drove him to a nervous breakdown because he got too involved, and could not see the difference between being played and helping someone see reality.

But I also know from have a relative with mental illness, few understand the total emotional trauma this creates when you are with someone you love, and it all sounds so sensible, but it always ends in an insane place with emotional panic.

So bear with us, because most do not know even the reference points.

 

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Neither did we. We simply repeated your very own statement wherein you claimed to be a deliverance minister

You did not state it was part of a larger ministry...you referred to it as a stand alone

Are you now changing your statement...let's be clear because you appear to be stating things somewhat differently now

Let's be clear What my definition of a deliverance minister is as opposed to an exorcist. An exorcist Is one who casts out demons. A deliverance minister is one who ministers healing to the broken hearted and casts out demons. Deliverance ministers deal with those Who have deep issues that need prayed through and fasted over before the exorcism can take place. Some cases can take months Before they are ready for an exorcism Jesus is a healer first in these cases.

 

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I do agree with one point, but I do not think it is about demons, it is about releasing spiritual authority from the Lord.
Many times people have been in situations in a church were they have felt badly about a fellow christian and wondered why the Lord has not worked in their life. Only after they repented did they see release in the other persons life.

I agree that if you have obvious sin in you life that you do not repent of, this blocks the Lord moving and doing things in you. But I would not connect that with demons, but with obvious spiritual reality.

And yes you do need special training and help dealing with these cases, but that is not because of the demons involved, you are talking massive trauma and disclocated emotions, personality etc. I suggest you are talking in some regard to super spiritually, and not at a simple, this takes years to grow through, and some will be scared for the whole lives, unless miraculously healed. Also mental illness is involved, and often drugs etc. which are never going to make things easy.

I had a friend who dealt with alcoholics and mentally ill people and it drove him to a nervous breakdown because he got too involved, and could not see the difference between being played and helping someone see reality.

But I also know from have a relative with mental illness, few understand the total emotional trauma this creates when you are with someone you love, and it all sounds so sensible, but it always ends in an insane place with emotional panic.

So bear with us, because most do not know even the reference points.

The thing is each person is different. I accomplished with one case more than I have in numbers of cases in just half an hour. She went through traumatic stuff every day of her life and was really ready to give it all to God and did.

 

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I do agree with one point, but I do not think it is about demons, it is about releasing spiritual authority from the Lord.
Many times people have been in situations in a church were they have felt badly about a fellow christian and wondered why the Lord has not worked in their life. Only after they repented did they see release in the other persons life.

I agree that if you have obvious sin in you life that you do not repent of, this blocks the Lord moving and doing things in you. But I would not connect that with demons, but with obvious spiritual reality.

And yes you do need special training and help dealing with these cases, but that is not because of the demons involved, you are talking massive trauma and disclocated emotions, personality etc. I suggest you are talking in some regard to super spiritually, and not at a simple, this takes years to grow through, and some will be scared for the whole lives, unless miraculously healed. Also mental illness is involved, and often drugs etc. which are never going to make things easy.

I had a friend who dealt with alcoholics and mentally ill people and it drove him to a nervous breakdown because he got too involved, and could not see the difference between being played and helping someone see reality.

But I also know from have a relative with mental illness, few understand the total emotional trauma this creates when you are with someone you love, and it all sounds so sensible, but it always ends in an insane place with emotional panic.

So bear with us, because most do not know even the reference points.

I can bear guys

 

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This states when you believed you were marked in Christ with the Holy Spirit. This States that the Holy Spirit is a deposit for our inheritance in heaven. I do not see where the Holy Spirit is inside at believing for even the devils believe.

you don't see it because it does not agree with your theology

where is He if not in the believer...next door waiting to be invited? pardon my bizarre sense of humor

 

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The thing is each person is different. I accomplished with one case more than I have in numbers of cases in just half an hour. She went through traumatic stuff every day of her life and was really ready to give it all to God and did.

It was beautiful to start with a stern woman's voice and ending with a light hearted voice. To heat in her voice how delivered she was inspires me yet today.

 

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Since Jesus ministry was recorded on how he did things then we must model that. Since he spoke to them we must also. I dont care if its once he was recorded as asking there name the precedent is thete for you to follow. Pray tell me emoticon of sarcasm do you think that when confronting demons they will stay silent?

you have not described that 'model' you could not possibly copy Jesus 'model'

the 'model' we have is described in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and throughout the NT

Jesus spoke to the demons in the Gadarene man...have you another place in scripture where He asked the name?

I love the 'I don't care' by the way...

Jesus also walked on water...there's your precedent...go for it

 

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You could message me and I could help with any questions you have. Or if this is not comfortable for you I could start a thread but it will get mucked up like this. It will go from my I tent to start a positive thread to an onslought of fighting over if they exist and if they are demons. Which ever you choose I will do.

well I suggested another thread because I would like others input...I know where you stand

just about any thread can get you mugged or loved on...LOL!

I am aware of ministering to so called 'alters' but I don't see it in the Bible

 

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you have not described that 'model' you could not possibly copy Jesus 'model'

the 'model' we have is described in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and throughout the NT

Jesus spoke to the demons in the Gadarene man...have you another place in scripture where He asked the name?

I love the 'I don't care' by the way...

Jesus also walked on water...there's your precedent...go for it

Do you know how many books could have been written on Christ's methods? If it was done once that shows it can be done like Christ. The I don't care is that it does not take Jesus shoeing me twice or yen times how to do it. Once is enough I got it.

 

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you have not described that 'model' you could not possibly copy Jesus 'model'

the 'model' we have is described in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and throughout the NT

Jesus spoke to the demons in the Gadarene man...have you another place in scripture where He asked the name?

I love the 'I don't care' by the way...

Jesus also walked on water...there's your precedent...go for it

The law says not to run a stop sign but since it is only written once Can I run it?

 

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well I suggested another thread because I would like others input...I know where you stand

just about any thread can get you mugged or loved on...LOL!

I am aware of ministering to so called 'alters' but I don't see it in the Bible

I do have biblical references I would have to look up but can start another thread.

 

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well there you go...don't forget your helmet and flak jacket

I should add...not necessairly from me as I really want to see others input...I can listen to(o)

 

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The law says not to run a stop sign but since it is only written once Can I run it?

there are kajillions of stop signs....not a good comparison and besides, I bet each state says that...separ-ate-ly

but since you don't get your theology from traffic laws, why mention it

 

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Do you know how many books could have been written on Christ's methods? If it was done once that shows it can be done like Christ. The I don't care is that it does not take Jesus shoeing me twice or yen times how to do it. Once is enough I got it.

The Bible has spawned more books about the Bible then anyone could read in their lifetime

So let me know when you walk on water...I'll bring a towel...

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I certainly hope Jesus does not shoe you...I had a mare that had to be shod...I'm thinking that would be painful if you didn't have a hoof

Unless you are Chinese, you prob meant ten and not yen

LOL!...don't get ticked...I just like to add humor

 

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there are kajillions of stop signs....not a good comparison and besides, I bet each state says that...separ-ate-ly

but since you don't get your theology from traffic laws, why mention it

Lots of stop signs lots of demons. There is one law that was added to and used in accordance with state laws but once it was in writing it was law. Once it was recorded Jesus spoke to demons it was in law. That is how he did it. That law has been passed down and written in so many different ways

 

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check the post above you...

 

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Once it was recorded Jesus spoke to demons it was in law

that makes my head hurt...after walking on water, do you think we could try feeding thousands with a fish and some bread?

sigh