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The question is.... why would you want to take a gamble in being wrong if Galatians 5:24 does turn out to be true in what it plainly says? Would it not be smarter to play it safe by following Jesus and obeying His Words?
 

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No, if a person sins they need to confess and forsake that sin. A beleiver is not covered by the blood of Jesus if they continue to walk in darkness or sin. Read 1 John 1:5-9.
well... it seems to me that a lot of people take a lifetime to forsake their sins... are those folks saved, will they go to heaven?
 

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In 1John 4:8,1John 4:16 it is told us that "GOD IS LOVE",,,when God,who is love enters into someone he leaves his "seed" 1John 3:9,,,

So God (IS LOVE),and so if God is entered into us and he leaves a part of himself in us(his seed),then the part that is left in us is Love. Since God is love(noun),then he being in us it then is impossible for us to hate another as well as it is impossible for God(who is love) to hate one of us(he created us and loved us all). This is well explained by John in the epistle 1John the concept being the same as the many instances in scripture stating he is the Lord of Host(host,Christ IN you),,,and is why John is explaining that we are to try every spirit 1John 4:1,,,it is the only way to differentiate between those who actually have the Holy Spirit in them from those who do not.
 
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well... it seems to me that a lot of people take a lifetime to forsake their sins... are those folks saved, will they go to heaven?
As I said before, God knows the heart and their intentions. If they are confessing their sin and they are honestly trying to overcome their sin, then they are saved. But this is by no means a type of justified reason for a person to think that they can sin all week and then confess like some Catholics would do with a priest. God knows a person's heart and what they are thinking. If a person honestly wants to love God and to please Him by forsaking sin, then God is going to help that person to stop in time. But a believer who just sins with no remorse or care and thinks they are saved..... Well, I am sorry, they are not going to make it.
 
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jesus says that if someone who calls themselves a believer continues sinning over and over and doesn't repent of their sin, and still calls themselves a believer,
after the believers in their assembly have done what scripture says to do (as it is written) (the steps scripture gives),

if they still do not repent (after "a few" warnings - not too many)
then put them out from fellowship and consider them as a tax collector or sinner -- do not even greet them nor have a meal with them

(((the purpose being they (hopefully) will repent, and then they may be re-admitted to fellowship IN LINE WITH THE STEPS IN SCRIPTURE))
 
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There are two diverging thoughts here. Those who think they can sin and still be saved and those who seek to please God by confessing and forsaking sin (With the Lord's help). Which group of people do you honestly think is going to be accepted by God here?

If you say it is the sin and still be saved type believer than what you are essentially saying is that God is condoning His people into doing evil or sin (Which is wrong). For it would be like a loving parent saying to their child that there is no real consequences that will truly matter in the long wrong if they cheat or steal.
 
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I understood the idea put forward here was that people who had been crucified no longer sinned... and that they were the only ones saved... did I misunderstand?
well... it seems to me that a lot of people take a lifetime to forsake their sins... are those folks saved, will they go to heaven?
best thing to do is to go back to the Scripture (almost any translation will do, for anyone seeking the TRUTH from YAHWEH, prayerfully and constantly)

and see who is crucified with Christ, who has "suffered in the flesh" ,

and what GOD'S WORD (Scripture) says about those ..... then you will (hopefully) know what GOD says

about those, and won't have to take (and should not take) anyone else's word about what GOD says.

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even if you haven't or can't see others around you in person who have been crucified with Christ,

you might be able to see in Scripture who they are,Yahweh willing , then seek what GOD'S PLAN and PURPOSE is (because His Plan and Purpose is what is important).
 

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see 1John 3:10 "IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST,,,and the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL",,,,,,so when God enters us and leaves his "seed", they then "love one another",,,and those who are the children of the devil are manifest(seen/identified),in that they (cannot)love.
 
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There are two diverging thoughts here. Those who think they can sin and still be saved and those who seek to please God by confessing and forsaking sin (With the Lord's help). Which group of people do you honestly think is going to be accepted by God here?

If you say it is the sin and still be saved type believer than what you are essentially saying is that God is condoning His people into doing evil or sin (Which is wrong). For it would be like a loving parent saying to their child that there is no real consequences that will truly matter in the long wrong if they cheat or steal.
Sorry, did not mean to say that the parent was loving. Actually the parent who lets their child think there are no lasting consequences in cheating and or stealing would be just as guilty or wrong for allowing their child to do evil. For such a parent would not be loving if they let this happen.
 

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There are two diverging thoughts here. Those who think they can sin and still be saved and those who seek to please God by confessing and forsaking sin (With the Lord's help). Which group of people do you honestly think is going to be accepted by God here?

If you say it is the sin and still be saved type believer than what you are essentially saying is that God is condoning His people into doing evil or sin (Which is wrong). For it would be like a loving parent saying to their child that there is no real consequences that will truly matter in the long wrong if they cheat or steal.
Love in us(God) fulfills the law,,,Romans 13:8-13,,,Galatians 5;14,,ect.ect.
 
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see 1John 3:10 "IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST,,,and the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL",,,,,,so when God enters us and leaves his "seed", they then "love one another",,,and those who are the children of the devil are manifest(seen/identified),in that they (cannot)love.
I agree, my brother.
 
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Obey him means exactly that. Obey him. To obey Jesus and His Words.
The context says we are to discern good and evil.

So no, it means what it plainly says. It does not say gospel here and nor does it talk about some "sin and still be saved" type belief. It says them that obey Him. Meaning, those that obey Jesus. Why would a Christian not obey Jesus? For a follower of Jesus... follows Jesus. Were the disciples who stopped following Jesus saved? According to your belief, they were saved. But we know that is not the case (According to Scripture). The true disciples followed Jesus. They obeyed Jesus.
Like normal you have no ability to add verse with verse and context to get the point.....believe the gospel and be saved....your works will never get you there and if you keep trusting your self righteous works over Jesus while claiming to be sinless you will be in for a rude awaking.......

Belief=salvation

sanctification in daily life is a process and EVERYONE sins occasionally...including you!
 
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Love in us(God) fulfills the law,,,Romans 13:8-13,,,Galatians 5;14,,ect.ect.
Exactly. When a believer sins, they are not loving like a believer should (which is a mark of a true believer).
 
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Like normal you have no ability to add verse with verse and context to get the point.....believe the gospel and be saved....your works will never get you there and if you keep trusting your self righteous works over Jesus while claiming to be sinless you will be in for a rude awaking.......

Belief=salvation

sanctification in daily life is a process and EVERYONE sins occasionally...including you!
No, that is not true. Faith is described as an action word in Hebrews 11. James says that faith without works is dead. The author of Hebrews says without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Peter warns us that there are certain false prophets whereby they cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). Paul warns Timothy about those who have a form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof (and they commit certain types of sins) (2 Timothy 3:1-9).
 
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Love in us(God) fulfills the law,,,Romans 13:8-13,,,Galatians 5;14,,ect.ect.
not nearly in everyone who makes that claim or assumption.

even the world can tell the difference sometimes. (in those who say they love and those who do)
 
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No, that is not true. Faith is described as an action word in Hebrews 11. James says that faith without works is dead. The author of Hebrews says without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

Exactly why you miss the mark and your salvation lite message is heretical.....

Faith saves period.........and like usual you cannot grasp that James speaks of faith being seen before men by their works....period.

You do realize you call Jesus a liar by your theology right?

Jesus said...If you believe on the SON you hath EVERLASTING LIFE.....so...keep calling him a liar and pushing your heretical dogma....Jude will tell you of your destiny!
 
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No, that is not true. Faith is described as an action word in Hebrews 11. James says that faith without works is dead. The author of Hebrews says without holiness no man shall see the Lord.
RIGHT! the Hebrews (serving yahweh) had and lived "FAITH" - not trying to define it so much like the world and the carnal does. to them and the believers abiding in JESUS, FAITH encompasses their whole life and way of life every day, everything about them,

not a nit-pick here and there, as if one or two things could 'define' faith.
 
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RIGHT! the Hebrews (serving yahweh) had and lived "FAITH" - not trying to define it so much like the world and the carnal does. to them and the believers abiding in JESUS, FAITH encompasses their whole life and way of life every day, everything about them,

not a nit-pick here and there, as if one or two things could 'define' faith.
Really....faith is easy to understand.....the words God inspired to describe faith are clear as well as the application...WHOSOEVER BELIEVES that God has raised him from the dead shall be saved!
 
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Exactly why you miss the mark and your salvation lite message is heretical.....
Sorry, what you said here in no way changes the fact that the word "faith" is an action word. In this case, it actually works against you.

Faith saves period.........and like usual you cannot grasp that James speaks of faith being seen before men by their works....period.
Yes, works justifies us before men and not God. Works shows that are faith is true before others. It lets them know that Christ is in us. For Christ is the source of a person's salvation (1 John 5:12). Jesus said you will know a tree by it's fruit. So if a person does not have the fruits of the Spirit, then they need to examine whether or not they are in Christ (2 Corinthains 13:5).
 
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RIGHT! the Hebrews (serving yahweh) had and lived "FAITH" - not trying to define it so much like the world and the carnal does. to them and the believers abiding in JESUS, FAITH encompasses their whole life and way of life every day, everything about them,

not a nit-pick here and there, as if one or two things could 'define' faith.
I am merely pointing out that faith is more than a belief. Faith involves action, too (Because the Lord is the one taking the action thru them).