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Dan_473

Dan_473

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Jason0047 said:
As I pointed out in my previous post, I believe God does offer grace to those who do struggle with sin. But this is not where God wants them to be, though. God does not want them struggling with their sin their entire lives. God wants them to endure until the end with their faith. Their faith has to yield good fruit and they have to abide in God's Word. For example: You cannot willingly .... not forgive somebody, and not repent of it and expect to be saved or forgiven yourself. Jesus made it very clear that you have to forgive in order to be forgiven. This is an action on our part that we have to do in this life. An action that God works thru us if we yield to Him. If a person has the mindset that they do not need to obey His Word and they have no desire to follow Jesus, .... then they are in for a rude awakening because Jesus commissions all believers to preach the gospel. Jesus calls us all to love God and to love other people. It's not an option. For he that does not love, does not know God. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. So if one never even tries to keep his commandments in this life .... then they truly do not even love God. One who truly loves God will strive to do whatever it takes to stop in their sin and obey Jesus. If one holds back because they love their sin, or they love their family more, or they love this world more.... they are not going to make it. Yes, God's grace is there for people who honestly struggle with sin before they overcome it. But nowhere does God ever condone a believer in willfully disobeying Him. We are not our own, we are bought and paid for with a price. God will talk to a believer's heart that they should be following Him. If they keep running from that call and they keep sinning, then they going backwards and not fowards with God. They are running from Him and not to Him.
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so, is following Jesus the same as crucifying the flesh?

I'm getting the impression, though, that you're saying it's more about a level of desire, or intensity of sorrow that's important...?
 
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Galatians 2:20 ►Parallel Verses
New International Version
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

New Living Translation
My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

English Standard Version
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

New American Standard Bible
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
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Galatians 5:24 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

New Living Translation
Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there.

English Standard Version
And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

New American Standard Bible
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

King James Bible
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
 
Jason0047

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"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24).




 
Dan_473

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Jason0047 said:
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24).
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right, so people who haven't yet crucified the flesh aren't really following Jesus... sounds like...
 
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34 I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:34,35)
 
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