None Good...No Not One!

[dcontroversal]

There is something terribly wrong in a person's perception of Holy, Almighty God, the Creator, Jesus Christ, that cannot see their own utter depravity and uncleanness, our total inability to stand in His presence by any means our own. What spirit is behind this, I don't know, but I do know it's not the Holy Spirit's leading. It is not truth.

When you realize our Lord, you also realize your place, gain a profound respect for the cross and all the work of our Lord Jesus we can take zero credit for, ever. There is just something very wrong with anybody having a scintilla of pride of life as to their spiritual merits, the whole gospel diametrically opposed to any such attitude and hubris.

It does make sense, for somebody who's subtly trying to imply others lack salvation for their imperfection, would make sense of somebody trying to raise doubt.

I agree......it is something that totally makes me shake my head in astonishment.......and those who portray this type of attitude will jump to the conclusion that we are saying and implying that we can and want to live a lifestyle of sin.........crazy for sure......!

 

[JesusIsAll]

I agree......it is something that totally makes me shake my head in astonishment.......and those who portray this type of attitude will jump to the conclusion that we are saying and implying that we can and want to live a lifestyle of sin.........crazy for sure......!

I think crazy like a fox. Of course no Christian is saying we can live a lifestyle of sin. This isn't the hook. The hook is a Christian becomes sinless, which, unless these guys are morons, they know they're not, themselves. But, lo and behold, it's seeding doubt, that may be absorbed by the weaker of faith. Think about it. Not even the worst, pagan horse's rear, in the secular world, would proclaim themselves perfect. Nobody does that, except a deceiver.

 

[Sirk]

I think crazy like a fox. Of course no Christian is saying we can live a lifestyle of sin. This isn't the hook. The hook is a Christian becomes sinless, which, unless these guys are morons, they know they're not, themselves. But, lo and behold, it's seeding doubt, that may be absorbed by the weaker of faith. Think about it. Not even the worst, pagan horse's rear, in the secular world, would proclaim themselves perfect. Nobody does that, except a deceiver.

Have you noticed how quiet it's been on the deceiver front? Are they planning another assault?

 

[dcontroversal]

I think crazy like a fox. Of course no Christian is saying we can live a lifestyle of sin. This isn't the hook. The hook is a Christian becomes sinless, which, unless these guys are morons, they know they're not, themselves. But, lo and behold, it's seeding doubt, that may be absorbed by the weaker of faith. Think about it. Not even the worst, pagan horse's rear, in the secular world, would proclaim themselves perfect. Nobody does that, except a deceiver.

I agree and being led by the master deceiver to boot!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Have you noticed how quiet it's been on the deceiver front? Are they planning another assault?

Hard to say, but often, when you turn on the light, they just scurry. They don't often even hang around to protest, "I resemble that remark!"

 

[dcontroversal]

Have you noticed how quiet it's been on the deceiver front? Are they planning another assault?

Oh don't worry......I have seen one particular member come into the bible discussion and he has yet to be here, but he also is one of the I don't sin groupies........! He will be here soon to make some comment.....if I was a betting man I would lay odds....!

 

[Sirk]

Hard to say, but often, when you turn on the light, they just scurry. They don't often even hang around to protest, "I resemble that remark!"

Man..... they are relentless and it seems like they come in a pack.

 

[Sirk]

Oh don't worry......I have seen one particular member come into the bible discussion and he has yet to be here, but he also is one of the I don't sin groupies........! He will be here soon to make some comment.....if I was a betting man I would lay odds....!

I have to admit that I sort of enjoy getting under their skin.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Oh don't worry......I have seen one particular member come into the bible discussion and he has yet to be here, but he also is one of the I don't sin groupies........! He will be here soon to make some comment.....if I was a betting man I would lay odds....!

After this word from our Sponsor, we will return you to, "As the Stomach Turns."

 

[JesusIsAll]

I have to admit that I sort of enjoy getting under their skin.

Sometimes, you look at the thread list and just figure that perhaps all is not lost, may as well have some fun!

 

[dcontroversal]

I have to admit that I sort of enjoy getting under their skin.

I just wish they would simply acknowledge the truth before it is everlasting to late........although I agree the truth trumps every time!

 

[Gr8grace]

John 8:7~~New American Standard Bible
But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

He was talking to the most religious and morally straight people in the world at this time....Scribes and Pharisees.

I suppose we could call the sinless perfection crowd "stoners"

 

[dcontroversal]

John 8:7~~New American Standard Bible
But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

He was talking to the most religious and morally straight people in the world at this time....Scribes and Pharisees.

I suppose we could call the sinless perfection crowd "stoners"

HAHAHHAH funny for sure!

 

[DesiredHaven]

You guys made me use this LOL
(I was actually itching to but I couldnt find and in and I thought, "its only a matter of a short time")

Hey isnt it true that the whole scene between the woman and stoning thing is not in the earliest manuscripts?

Since that one is pulled up using half the story by one set of folks and the other half by another set of folks, when it might not be in there at all.

Anyone know for sure on the manuscript deals?

 

[Ella85]

Amen to that.....You know it is disrespectful to use the word dude HAHAH Yeah I hear ya dude-ette HAHAHHA

ahhahahaa!!! caring lol

 

[Ella85]

Well, you might be able to change the word but you can't change the context. Jesus said be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. So.... if you don't believe the word "perfect" is "perfect" then you are saying the Father is not "perfect"? If that is the case, then that is not right at all. The Father is perfect. He is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin.

uhu...so let me guess...you are perfect like the father?!

 

[Gr8grace]

You guys made me use this LOL
(I was actually itching to but I couldnt find and in and I thought, "its only a matter of a short time")

Hey isnt it true that the whole scene between the woman and stoning thing is not in the earliest manuscripts?

Since that one is pulled up using half the story by one set of folks and the other half by another set of folks, when it might not be in there at all.

Anyone know for sure on the manuscript deals?

From my studies you are correct.

Codex Oliff (sp), Codex A, Codex B, Codex L, Codex W plus 5000 papyri do NOT have this story.

Codex Be-zii (sp) does have this story. This is an old manuscript - circa 550 A. D. This manuscript resides today at Cambridge.

Codex oliff is 200 years older, and theologians consider this one of the best and very reliable, and It does not have it included.

 

[dcontroversal]

uhu...so let me guess...you are perfect like the father?!

Well.....one who claims to be sinless, holy and righteous......while condemning those who admit they fail and sin occasionally and saying they live a wicked sinful lifestyle.......and rejecting the actual inspired word that means complete and not PERFECT in the sense he is applying it!

 

[Gr8grace]

Well.....one who claims to be sinless, holy and righteous......while condemning those who admit they fail and sin occasionally and saying they live a wicked sinful lifestyle.......and rejecting the actual inspired word that means complete and not PERFECT in the sense he is applying it!

In reality, dcontroversal, the works crowd, and sinless perfection crowd have even altered some of our vocabulary, because we know we will be accused of promoting sin. But if we are honest with ourselves, we sin most of the time and a LOT.

We are comparing ourselves to perfect holiness, perfect righteousness. We don't have words or the capacity to understand how BIG that is. A sinner compared to perfection?

From my studies, the more I learn about Grace and His perfection, the more I realize how much I truly sin.

My actions need to be perfect.
My thoughts need to be perfect.
I need to perfectly handle and solve all my problems.
I need to perfectly follow His will for my life.
Every step I take needs to be perfectly aligned with His plan for my life.
I can't worry.
I can't fear anything.
I can't say one wrong word.
I can never put myself first.
I have to respect my wife, even when she is nagging.
I have to perfectly handle all problems and victories at work.
I have to perfectly raise my kids.
I have to perfectly handle my animals.
I have to perfectly handle His Word.
I cannot make ONE mistake in life.

And this is a pretty shallow list. And I fail or miss the mark more often than not in most of the cases.In fact way more often than not.

I believe that the greatest christian who ever lives on this earth. And Is a supergrace believer and has the greatest insight ever, of the sin issue, will be shocked when they get to heaven and see just how much sin was still in his life.

 

[JesusIsAll]

In reality, dcontroversal, the works crowd, and sinless perfection crowd have even altered some of our vocabulary, because we know we will be accused of promoting sin. But if we are honest with ourselves, we sin most of the time and a LOT.

We are comparing ourselves to perfect holiness, perfect righteousness. We don't have words or the capacity to understand how BIG that is. A sinner compared to perfection?

From my studies, the more I learn about Grace and His perfection, the more I realize how much I truly sin.

My actions need to be perfect.
My thoughts need to be perfect.
I need to perfectly handle and solve all my problems.
I need to perfectly follow His will for my life.
Every step I take needs to be perfectly aligned with His plan for my life.
I can't worry.
I can't fear anything.
I can't say one wrong word.
I can never put myself first.
I have to respect my wife, even when she is nagging.
I have to perfectly handle all problems and victories at work.
I have to perfectly raise my kids.
I have to perfectly handle my animals.
I have to perfectly handle His Word.
I cannot make ONE mistake in life.

And this is a pretty shallow list. And I fail or miss the mark more often than not in most of the cases.In fact way more often than not.

I believe that the greatest christian who ever lives on this earth. And Is a supergrace believer and has the greatest insight ever, of the sin issue, will be shocked when they get to heaven and see just how much sin was still in his life.

This is one of the whole, major points of the teachings of Jesus Christs. These legalists, with their sabbaths, Torah, etc, can hardly cover the tip of the iceberg of sin, on their most memorable day, the gospel of Jesus Christ expansive of what is sin, and that is falling short of the glory of God. It pushes the most meticulous Pharisee into the realm of absurdity, trying to meet the requirements of God's holiness and perfection. Make no mistake, people, these doctrines of legalism and self-righteousness are very evil. Excellent post!