Which laws are and are not valid?

BS · May 25, 2015

Prov. 12:14. A man shall be satisfied with good by the fruit of his mouth: and the recompence of a man's hands shall be rendered unto him.

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Not for unbelieving Jews.

And there is no veil of Moses for anyone else.

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

Brings to mind Gal 1:6-10. . .

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

There is a story I have found recently: about the time when Lord decided to give the Torah to all of nations.

First He gave it to the sons of Esau, and asked: "Do you accept the Torah?" They said to him, "What is written in it?" - "Do not kill!" They said to Him, "We cannot accept it."

Then he said to the children of Ammon and Moab: "Do you accept the Torah?" - "What is written in it?" - "Do not commit adultery!" And they said to him, "No, we cannot accept your Torah."

He turned to the children and Ishmael, and again they asked: "What is written in it?" He said to them: "Do not steal!" - "No, - they answered him - we do not want to take such a Torah."

There was no nation to which he would not return, but in vain. Only the children of Israel, no questions asked, said: "Will perform and listen! ".

.... and now I could understand things which I could not before...still searching Him. Let all of us
keep on reading the Words of God - He -THE HOLY GOD AND SON AND HOLY SPIRIT is the best teacher I have seen! Hallelujah! God bless you all!

Yes, and the words of the prophets of old in the light of the complete revelation spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers. . .

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

From the new covenant Law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; 1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8) and
from the Holy Spirit who writes it in the minds and on the hearts of God's people (Jer 31:31-32).

God's people are not in the Old Covenant and are not required to observed its regulations.

Paul has said in Rom 14:10-19
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Enjoy the evening

God bless you all and keep you in save!

Not observing the Mosaic code of regulations is not sin.

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Yep. . .including Heb 8:13; Eph 2:15. . .which if seen as contradictory in any way ipso facto demonstrates one's misunderstanding of the word of God, because God does not contradict himself.

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

Agreed. . .and would necessarily include the whole counsel of God. . .

BS · May 25, 2015

Elin said:

where and who said the opposite?

2Timothy2
1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, [yet] is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8. Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9. Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, [even] unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10. Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11. [It is] a faithful saying: For if we be dead with [him], we shall also live with [him]:
12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:
13. If we believe not, [yet] he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14. Of these things put [them] in remembrance, charging [them] before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, [but] to the subverting of the hearers.
15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16. But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work.
22. Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
23. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient,
25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26. And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

And I won`t ask what we should do with the OT !!! I won`t ask you

JaumeJ · May 25, 2015

Not intended for contention, simply to share. Unbelievers are the same globally, be they Jews or Gentiles. Believers. ñolewose. are tje sa,e-

Elin said:

JaumeJ · May 25, 2015

Picking a choosing a line here and a line there does not satisfy what Jesus told Satan. Try choosing the Word from Genesis through RÇevelation inclusiive, and you will be complete and correct.

Elin said:

BS · May 25, 2015

It must be right that the Satan is observing the Christians purposely - to learn from them ...

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

Elin said:

where and who said the opposite?

Then we are agreed. . . .

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Agreed. . .but the Gentiles do not have the veil of Moses, only those of Moses have it.

JaumeJ · May 25, 2015

The veil of Moses is over all who cannot see the grace of the gosple of Jesus Chris, for they are under the law, not children of obedience. How is it all say unless they come to Jesus Christ they are still in their sin? Sin is breaking the law.

We who believe Jesus Chrsit are converted to being Children of obedience, with our sin no longer imputed against us. Now if we obey, yet our sin is no longer imputed againsst us, this means we obey the law, as children of obedience, but when we brak it, and we do, we are regarded as innocent by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Do not use grace as license to be disobedient. The law is established by our faith, thuse we honor Jesus Christ be being obedient as well as we are given to be able, while our total reliance is on the grace He has given us because of our faith, which is counted to us, as it was with Abraham as righteousnous.

You must know all of this. Paul taches it well, yet many calining to believe Paul reject what Jesus has taught us byi word adn deed.

Do His word, and do not just give lip service. He is our Salvation and Teacher.

Elin said:

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Only if Jesus was lying. . .

This from one who rejects part of the NT word of God?

Which parts of it should I not choose from?

And you'll be pleased to know that Heb 8:13 and Eph 2:15 are chosen from there.

We aim to please. . .

JaumeJ · May 25, 2015

Foot note. I do not look for agreement with others without having my understanding anchorred in the teaching of Jesus Christ first. In this we are all in agreement. Praise God for His Son, Jesus Christ, amen.

Elin · May 25, 2015

BS said:

Scripture says it is the other way around. . .presenting his same old false gospel from over 2000 years ago.

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Not according to the NT word of God.

Or is that the part of the NT word of God which you reject?

Elin · May 25, 2015

JaumeJ said:

Don't we all?

BS · May 25, 2015

Elin said:

Are we all Christians? I am!

2 Corin. 6
1. We then, [as] workers together [with him], beseech [you] also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2. (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)
3. Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4. But in all [things] approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5. In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6. By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7. By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8. By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and [yet] true;
9. As unknown, and [yet] well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10. As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and [yet] possessing all things.
11. O [ye] Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12. Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13. Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto [my] children,) be ye also enlarged.
14. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15. And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
18. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
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