Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[DiscipleDave]

Kent is back in the "the hole." The Bureau of Prisons moved him into solitary confinement within the SHU. It's reported this was done because an unknown person on the outside called the prison and said they would be there to pick Kent up at 3AM and he better be ready to go.

So, even though it was an obvious hoax, the prison authorities acted to maintain security and safety by isolating Kent. Imo, it's probably for the best as his release date is July 8th, 2015 and if he gets in any trouble between now and then well... it wouldn't be good for his July release date.

And sometimes, other prisoners get jealous an inmate is being released and so act out in a way that gets the soon to be released inmate a fresh charge and a longer stay. That can't happen with Kent in isolation.

Where did you get your information? Everything i read above is not True. i use to be a Correctional Officer in a Prison. And nobody is put in "the Hole" because of an outside phone call. Also When people are put in "the Hole" that is not made public, even the inmates inside would not have known the reason Mr Kent was put in "the Hole". If they got a phone call from outside, and for some idiotic reason they wanted to protect him and put him in "the Hole" they would just come in and take him without announcing to anyone as to the reason they are taking him.
Also prisoners do not get jealous that an inmate is getting out, instead they take advantage of that person that is about to get out, by trying to get their STUFF, they will say, "i want your blanket or __________, when you leave" If they do not comply either immediately or before they leave, that is when they will try to get that person in trouble in order to jeopardize their getting released. Most of the time there is no problems, most inmates who are getting out, don't want to keep any of their STUFF, and are more then willing to give it away before they leave. Inmates who want to KEEP all their stuff are the ones that has problems with other inmates before they get out.

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[DiscipleDave]

Thank you very much for the 3, 372 word post.

And you wondered why I said you reminded me of the song "The Ramblin' Man."

You could have just said:

"I agree with Dr. Dino's false teaching on KJV Onlyism."

And let it go at that.

We would have gotten your point.

i tried something new. Most of the time i would have just said click HERE to read the article about KJV verses other versions, But how many actually click and go read it, so this time instead of doing that, i pasted the entire article hear, so that maybe one person would actually read it.

And if you were to have read what i wrote, then you would know that i am NOT a KJV only. For i have said in the article several times, that any version that can bring a person to God can't be that bad. So i am not saying or teaching KJV ONLY.

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[DiscipleDave]

... .. . .... ...but you nor i know how long one of God's own creative days were, you like others assume a literal 24 hour human day night cycle.

Scriptures plainly reveal that a Day to God is a thousand years to man.

Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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[DiscipleDave]

I have a question. Did they not have better Hebrew words todescribe a longer age? I thought the Hebrew language was pretty rich and precise.If they wanted to, could they have made it much more clear that it was ages orlong amounts of time. When I hear “yom could mean a day or longer amounts oftime”, I think well did they have a word that only meant “longer amounts oftime” or something that couldn’t be used to mean a single day? I am trulyignorant on this subject and this is an honest question. I just started Greek,Hebrew is on down the road, God willing.

Look to the Holy Spirit of Truth to guide you into understanding, (the RIGHT way), or you can go the other way to try to understand and study Hebrew and Greek, (the WRONG way). Either way is staying in the Word though and that is good.

Responding to post #1191

 

[DiscipleDave]

Well thank you for the response. Well it looks like after I learn Greek, then I will have something new to occupy a LOT of my time. That makes sense with the tiny bit I've learned about it so far as well. Like I knew the older Hebrew had less words, but didn't really know much else about it. I defiantly learned a little from the little bit you wrote so thank you very much. I was honestly asking because I had no idea and was curious. I guess I had the "preciseness" in my head in regards to how the Hebrews copied the scriptures and just assumed the preciseness of the words too. My mistake. It is so very interesting though and I’m looking forward to learning more as soon as and if I finish learning Greek (I’m not too far into learning that, only had this hunger for 20 months or so since my regeneration), but thank you so much for answering my curiosity.

Are you sure your hunger is not for understanding the Word of God, and you just THINK you can achieve that by studying the Greek? i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, it is the Holy Spirit of God that reveals understanding of His Word, i learned something every time i read it. But if you want to seek this understanding via your own intellect, then by all means study the Hebrew and Greek, i did also. i only know now, that it was not seeking the Truth the right way, but seeking it through my own understanding.

The Holy Spirit of Truth reveals Truths to whom the Holy Spirit will reveal it. The Holy Ghost will not instruct a person to go study the Hebrew and Greek, when it is that same Spirit that reveals Truths to those who seek it. Why would the Holy Spirit of Truth tell another to go to the Greek and Hebrew to learn Truths, When it is the Holy Spirit that teaches Truths. Instead, pray for guidance by the Holy Ghost, keep reading your Bible, stay in your Bible, read it every day, and i assure you, the Holy Ghost will reveal understanding to you, more than you through your own efforts to learn the Truth, by going to the Hebrew and Greek. As if God requires a person to become learned to know and understand His Truths (lol) God wants you to turn to Him to understand, not turn to the Hebrew and Greek.

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[DiscipleDave]

We went to the moon, right?

And we got rocks from the moon right?

And the rocks were determined by real science to be billions of years old.

You believe we can go to the moon but can not tell how old moon rocks are?

What do you consider to be real logic and science?

That the moon is around 6,000 years old?

Tell me, if God was going to create a planet and a moon. And God said "Planet" and poof there it was, and God said "moon" and poof there it was, tell me, how old would scientists say the ROCKS are on that moon if they were to examine the ROCKS a few minutes after God made that moon? What? you don't believe God can do that?

Here is something that is interesting. When the men in the past were planning to try to put a man on the moon, did you know they were extremely concerned if the shuttle would sink in the sand when it landed there. You see they knew how much dust would settle on the ground, and they calculated the moon to be billions of years old, therefore they thought the dust would be many feet deep. Now when they actually landed, there was only a few inches of dust, 6,000 years worth of dust built up. Strange that a moon that is billions of years old, only has 6,000 years of dust built up on it. Maybe God 6,000 years ago, created the moon in a single day, and it has been here for 6,000 years, and the dust build up PROVES the amount of time it has actually been here. Oh wait. God CAN'T create a moon in a single day, that is impossible. God forbid.

The universe is OLD. It is part of the Kingdom of Heaven. The Earth and Sun and Moon was created by God in 7 days because God was going to create humans on that particular planet to TEST them. Tell me Jack, answer me this one Question.

Can God create a Planet, Sun, and Moon in 7 Days, Yes or No? Simple question, will you answer it?

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[DiscipleDave]

Sure it does.

If you listen to YEC propaganda machines like ICR, AIG, and CMI.

To them no date beyond 6,000 years old is possibly accurate, no matter what evidence is provided.

Do you think there is anything on this planet that has been accurately dated at more than 6,000 years?

Carbon dating is only accurate up to around 2000 years. That is to say if you find a bone and take a sample from that bone and it says it is is 1357 years old, then every sample test taken from that bone will read the same date plus or minus a few years. But if you test a bone that is older than 2,000 years, one test will read it is a million years old and the next test will read it is 100,000 years old, and the nest test will read it is 20 million years old, so they will average and guess how old the bone is. Anything older than 2,000 years old should not use carbon dating as to the proof of how old it is. Yet evolutionists still to this day, use carbon dating as their proof.

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[JackH]

You see they knew how much dust would settle on the ground, and they calculated the moon to be billions of years old, therefore they thought the dust would be many feet deep. Now when they actually landed, there was only a few inches of dust, 6,000 years worth of dust built up. Strange that a moon that is billions of years old, only has 6,000 years of dust built up on it. Maybe God 6,000 years ago, created the moon in a single day, and it has been here for 6,000 years, and the dust build up PROVES the amount of time it has actually been here. Oh wait. God CAN'T create a moon in a single day, that is impossible. God forbid.

The "moon dust" argument is pathetic.

You know that even your YEC propaganda machines tell rabid YECs not to use this argument, right?

 

[DiscipleDave]

You’re the one who doesn’t get it.

Speaking of faith, I don’t take issue so much with what a person believes, based on his/her personal interpretation of Scripture. What I do take issue with mostly is when that person teaches his/her personal interpretation of Scripture based upon other than Scripture, and in doing so misrepresents and distorts facts, particularly with respect to science.

Seriously this statement made me laugh out loud. You take issue with those people teach their own personal interpretation of Scriptures based upon other than Scriptures. Do you take issue with your own self? Do you not base your own interpretations upon Science, and what Scientists say is Facts. You will change the Word of God to conform with what Scientists teach. The Word of God says the Earth was created in 7 days, but because that does not line up with all the Scientists saying the Earth is PROVEN to be billions of years old, therefore you must change the Scriptures to fit with what Scientists teach, Change the Word of God based on what they say, and then teach others what they say. How are you not taking issue with your own self? lol, seriously what you said made me laugh.

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[JackH]

Carbon dating is only accurate up to around 2000 years.

Do you have any source for this information other than your own hallucinations?

Do you accept the carbon dating of Dead Sea Scroll documents that go back around 2300 years?

 

[JackH]

The Word of God says the Earth was created in 7 days

So you say.

Many Christians say no, the world was not created in 7 literal days, and furnish evidence from Scripture as good as or better than yours. Better than, in my opinion.

So then we go to science.

A 6,000-year-old Earth, a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, and dinosaurs coexisting with humans, all FAIL miserably, scientifically speaking.

 

[JackRT]

Carbon dating is only accurate up to around 2000 years. That is to say if you find a bone and take a sample from that bone and it says it is is 1357 years old, then every sample test taken from that bone will read the same date plus or minus a few years. But if you test a bone that is older than 2,000 years, one test will read it is a million years old and the next test will read it is 100,000 years old, and the nest test will read it is 20 million years old, so they will average and guess how old the bone is. Anything older than 2,000 years old should not use carbon dating as to the proof of how old it is. Yet evolutionists still to this day, use carbon dating as their proof.

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Are you a scientist? I am. What you have just posted is complete rubbish! I refuse to believe that you are a liar so I can only conclude that you have been deceived by someone who is a liar. The following is an article on radiometric date by a respected working scientist who is also a Christian. Please take the time to read it carefully.

Radiometric Dating

 

[Mitspa]

First, for carbon-14 dating to be accurate, one must assume the rate of decay of carbon-14 has remained constant over the years. However, evidence indicates that the opposite is true. Experiments have been performed using the radioactive isotopes of uranium-238 and iron-57, and have shown that rates can and do vary. In fact, changing the environments surrounding the samples can alter decay rates.
The second faulty assumption is that the rate of carbon-14 formation has remained constant over the years. There are a few reasons to believe this assumption is erroneous. The industrial revolution greatly increased the amount of carbon-12 released into the atmosphere through the burning of coal. Also, the atomic bomb testing around 1950 caused a rise in neutrons, which increased carbon-14 concentrations. The great flood which Noah and family survived would have uprooted and/or buried entire forests. This would decrease the release of carbon-12 to the atmosphere through the decay of vegetation.
Third, for carbon-14 dating to be accurate, the concentrations of carbon-14 and carbon-12 must have remained constant in the atmosphere. In addition to the reasons mentioned in the previous paragraph, the flood provides another evidence that this is a faulty assumption. During the flood, subterranean water chambers that were under great pressure would have been breached. This would have resulted in an enormous amount of carbon-12 being released into the oceans and atmosphere. The effect would be not unlike opening a can of soda and having the carbon dioxide fizzing out. The water in these subterranean chambers would not have contained carbon-14, as the water was shielded from cosmic radiation. This would have upset the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12.
To make carbon-14 dating work, Dr. Libby also assumed that the amount of carbon-14 being presently produced had equaled the amount of carbon-12 – he assumed that they had reached a balance. The formation of carbon-14 increases with time, and at the time of creation was probably at or near zero. Since carbon-14 is radioactive, it begins to decay immediately as it’s formed. If you start with no carbon-14 in the atmosphere, it would take over 50,000 years for the amount being produced to reach equilibrium with the amount decaying. One of the reasons we know that the earth is less than 50,000 years old is because of the biblical record. Another reason we can know this is because the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere is only 78% what it would be if the earth were old.
Finally, Dr. Libby and the evolutionist crowd have assumed that all plant and animal life utilize carbon-14 equally as they do carbon-12. To be grammatically crass, this ain’t necessarily so. Live mollusks off the Hawaiian coast have had their shells dated with the carbon-14 method. These test showed that the shells died 2000 years ago! This news came as quite a shock to the mollusks that had been using those shells until just recently.
We’ve listed five faulty assumptions here that have caused overestimates of age using the carbon-14 method. The list of non-compliant dates from this method is endless. Most evolutionists today would conclude that carbon-14 dating is – at best – reliable for only the last 3000 to 3500 years. There is another reason that carbon-14 dating has yielded questionable results – human bias.

 

[Mitspa]

Carbon dating is like trying to judge the age of a tree, by counting the leaves that fell on the ground... Its not real provable science that depends on real laws of physics .... You could carbon date a bone from the civil war and get as many dates as samples you take... its evolutionary voodoo science.

 

[john832]

Sure it does.

If you listen to YEC propaganda machines like ICR, AIG, and CMI.

To them no date beyond 6,000 years old is possibly accurate, no matter what evidence is provided.

Do you think there is anything on this planet that has been accurately dated at more than 6,000 years?

Please read this post...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...no-kent-hovind-total-joke-62.html#post2147872

Before assuming I do not believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. What I believe is that God specially created the universe and the earth and specially created the man and did not use a process of accident, trial and error and correction of mistakes to do it.

 

[JackH]

Please read this post...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...no-kent-hovind-total-joke-62.html#post2147872

Before assuming I do not believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. What I believe is that God specially created the universe and the earth and specially created the man and did not use a process of accident, trial and error and correction of mistakes to do it.

Yawn.

You said radiometric dating is seriously flawed.

I asked if anything on this Earth can be reliably dated at over 6,000 years old.

I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Can anything on this Earth be reliably dated at over 6,000 years old?

If so, how can it be reliably dated?

 

[john832]

Couldn't God have created it with a big bang?

I know you just jumping in here with your talking points without reading previous posts, but please just go back a bit and refer to Post #1223.

There are things God cannot do...

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

God cannot lie, so when He says this...

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And we read this in Genesis...

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

we have to conclude that the creation was not by accident, trial and error or correction of mistakes. We also read...

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And find that the word "was" is better translated became, as in this example...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And we understand there is one who is the author of confusion...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The Devil's purpose is to thwart God's plan of bringing many sons to glory.

Eze 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Who inspires these thoughts?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the result of Satan's way of thinking...

Eze 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
Eze 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Eze 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
Eze 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

God is not the author of confusion. He does not work by chance, accident and correction of mistakes, He does everything right the first time. Satan is the destroyer and the author of confusion and is the one who wrecked a beautiful and perfect creation requiring a recreation in Gen 1:2.

 

[popeye]

The Sun Is Shrinking | The Institute for Creation Research


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Does the size of the sun change over the years? Recently, "John A. Eddy (Harvard -Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and High Altitude Observatory in Boulder) and Aram A.Boornazian (a mathematician with S. Ross and Co. in Boston) have found evidence that the sun has been contracting about 0.1% per century…corresponding to a shrinkage rate of about 5 feet per hour."​

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How far back in the past must one go to have a sun so large that its surface touches the surface of the earth? The solar radius changes at 2.5 feet per hour, half the 5 feet per hour change of the solar diameter. The distance from the sun to the earth is 93 million miles, and there are 5,280 feet in one mile. Assuming (by uniformitarian-type reasoning) that the rate of shrinkage has not changed with time, then the surface of the sun would touch the surface of the earth at a time in the past equal to​

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The change in the size of the sun over the past 400 years is important in the study of origins. Over 100 thousand years these changes would have accumulated so much that life of any kind on the earth would have been very difficult, if not impossible. Thus, all life on the earth must be less than 100 thousand years old. The sun, 20 million years ago, would have been so large that it would have engulfed the earth. The earth cannot be more than 20 million years old. Those dates as upper limits rule out any possibility of evolution requiring hundreds of millions of years. However, the tiny change that would have occurred in the sun during the Biblical time since creation would be so small as to go almost unnoticed. Thus, the changes in the sun are consistent with recent creation.​

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[popeye]

Are you a scientist? I am. What you have just posted is complete rubbish! I refuse to believe that you are a liar so I can only conclude that you have been deceived by someone who is a liar. The following is an article on radiometric date by a respected working scientist who is also a Christian. Please take the time to read it carefully.

Radiometric Dating

The way it really is: little-known facts about radiometric dating - creation.com
Contrary to the impression that we are given, radiometric dating does not prove that the Earth is millions of years old. The vast age has simply been assumed.[SUP]2[/SUP] The calculated radiometric ‘ages’ depend on the assumptions that are made. The results are only accepted if they agree with what is already believed. The only foolproof method for determining the age of something is based on eyewitness reports and a written record. We have both in the Bible. And that is why creationists use the historical evidence in the Bible to constrain their interpretations of the geological evidence.

 

[john832]

Yawn.

You said radiometric dating is seriously flawed.

I asked if anything on this Earth can be reliably dated at over 6,000 years old.

I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Can anything on this Earth be reliably dated at over 6,000 years old?

If so, how can it be reliably dated?

Why do you suppose that man CAN reliably date anything over 6000 years old? Perhaps man CANNOT reliably date any fossil over 6000 years old.

Care to prove to me there are reliable methods to date hundreds of thousands of years or even millions of years?

Again, you have so much faith in "science falsely so called", you have begun to assume things on faith.