Why I'm neither Catholic nor Protestant, but Baptist

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dude your mocking attitude is childish.

Do you have anything to add? or do you just like going around mocking people?


it says your 47, maybe one day you will act it? Or did you lie about your age?
No since of humor? You saw nothing funny about that? Take a lax dude. I turned 47 today and know how to laugh at the absurd!
 
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No since of humor? You saw nothing funny about that? Take a lax dude. I turned 47 today and know how to laugh at the absurd!
No, there is no humor in mocking what the word of God says, and mocking someone who follows the word of God and what it says,

It is childish, you yell when people so called (mock) your church. yet that is all I see you do for the most part.
 
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No, there is no humor in mocking what the word of God says, and mocking someone who follows the word of God and what it says,

It is childish, you yell when people so called (mock) your church. yet that is all I see you do for the most part.
So you are ok with a guy who is mad at the churh assembly and wants to blame a whole denomination for current worship assembly and call it evil. You are ok with this?
 
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So you are ok with a guy who is mad at the churh assembly and wants to blame a whole denomination for current worship assembly and call it evil. You are ok with this?
Yeah I am when it is truthful.

Where do you think cathedral/temple worship came from? It did not come from the NT, they met in homes in the NT.

Thats what I mean when I say you do not want to discuss the word of God and what it says, only what your church says.

In the NT they met at homes continuously. devoting thesmeves to the apostles doctrine, getting into fellowship. breaking bread (dinner) and prayer.

It is not like the churches we see today. who only meet on sunday, and may wed night.


It was wrong what you did, and mocking, because 600 people would not fit in a home, You did not just make a joke, nor did you even ask the person to explain himself. and where he got that belief, you just came back in a mocking attitude. then now say it was just a joke?
 
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The problem with mwc68 and the Catholics is their religion is based on "Works" for their Faith. This is why he mocks the Word of God and mocks His Children the Christians.

This is the main difference between Catholics and Christians.

We believe Faith is received by Grace and because we have Faith we do works of Faith.

The Catholics believe Faith is received by Works and you MUST do Works first to receive Faith.
 
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The problem with mwc68 and the Catholics is their religion is based on "Works" for their Faith. This is why he mocks the Word of God and mocks His Children the Christians.

This is the main difference between Catholics and Christians.

We believe Faith is received by Grace and because we have Faith we do works of Faith.

The Catholics believe Faith is received by Works and you MUST do Works first to receive Faith.

catholics are not the only ones who teach this, many so called christian churches do.

They are not alone in their gospel like they think they are.
 
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Yeah I am when it is truthful.

Where do you think cathedral/temple worship came from? It did not come from the NT, they met in homes in the NT.

Thats what I mean when I say you do not want to discuss the word of God and what it says, only what your church says.

In the NT they met at homes continuously. devoting thesmeves to the apostles doctrine, getting into fellowship. breaking bread (dinner) and prayer.

It is not like the churches we see today. who only meet on sunday, and may wed night.


It was wrong what you did, and mocking, because 600 people would not fit in a home, You did not just make a joke, nor did you even ask the person to explain himself. and where he got that belief, you just came back in a mocking attitude. then now say it was just a joke?
of course it was a joke! I know 600 families would not fit! That's why it was funny, but its ok if your lax hasn't work yet
 
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This is where I get confused again. I'm always under impression that a denomination exists to just state what the group as an assembly of people hold as doctrine and being saved is the important thing. That there are going to be tons of people from all denominations saved and that denomination is a matter of statement to belief, not salvation itself. I mean, that as long as doctrine is Biblical then denomination is just coming together in accord. I don't know how else to put it.

So are there denominations that say you're not saved simply because a person isn't that denomination? Amish bieve toward that but Amish are a cult, so I expect errors in that regard.
 
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I see many ridiculous threads on here. I don't waste my time going to them to tell them they are ridiculous. After all, what's the difference if I'm still participating? Doesn't that make me ridiculous? (Silence from the peanut gallery. lol)
That's why I don't put them down if I think the thread is silly because many times I participate.
That was a good insight you have.:)
 
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Do you know where John Calvin adapted his doctrine from ???

He derived his doctrine of Once saved always saved from the doctrine of eternal security from Augustine, and Augustine had a few fallacies in his teachings that can easily be refuted by the bible. As the doctrines state that falling away is impossible when the bible has no less then 20 scriptures that says it is, and Augustine goes even further and says Apostasy is impossible when 1 Timothy 4 is a clear teaching on apostasy !!!
Nah. Calvin studied the Bible and realized where the Catholic Church, at the time, ignored most of it.

As far as OSAS! Duh now! Of course! The only problem stems from people who think they are saved, but aren't. The seeds growing on rocky soil. Sorry. I'm naive stupid, not intellectually stupid. I know you're into trying to confuse those who don't know, so, heads up. I'm not one of them.
 
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What happens when those who profess to belong to the Lord become murderers?
It really depends if they're elected or not, right? Just like every other sin, Jesus nailed it to that cross. Why? Do you see an exception clause for some sins? It's not like there are good sins and bad sins.
 
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I don't know that Moses was a murderer. In his case, the Bible seems to indicate that God was using that incident to show the people that Moses was going to be their deliverer, but the people refused him at that time in a similar manner in which many Jews refused Christ at His first coming. David and Paul both repented. What happens to the murderer who doesn't repent?
Wow! You can excuse Moses, but not Calvin? I don't believe God excused either. Just saved them despite what they did.
 
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Wow, imagine that! Just like ya'll do to us Catholics!
Nah. Only two kinds of Catholic denominations I know of -- Roman and Eastern Orthodox.
 
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Oh, Mr. Henderson, we have 600 families and we get thirsty to (you know since we have no prohibition on alcohol, you know what that meanns). This will be great! All us crammed into your home to hear how wrong we are! I'm so glad you are here to give us the model for worship! We'll provide the music! :)
Yeah, but who is cleaning up afterward? lol
 
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No, there is no humor in mocking what the word of God says, and mocking someone who follows the word of God and what it says,

It is childish, you yell when people so called (mock) your church. yet that is all I see you do for the most part.
MikeHenderson is the word of God? :eek:
 

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These threads are absolutely ridiculous. Protestant. Baptist. Calvinist. Non denominational... Does Jesus have a label next to Him? What ever happened to just being called a follower of Christ?
Long ago, man realized that there was no way to "profit" from simply being a disciple of Christ...........religion, denominations and such were created...........man has been profiting ever since.
 

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Baptists are not Protestants but hold tenaciously to the original precepts and practices of Christ and the apostles. Baptists believe the pure Word of God to be sufficient authority on all matters. Baptists reject all human religious traditions and practices that have originated since the time of the apostles. Full historical data immediately refutes the view that there was only one religious group -- the Roman Catholic church -- until the time of Martin Luther. Anyone who claims this simply has not done his homework.
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Hmm………..requiring anyone who wishes to be a member of the congregation to be VOTED ON by the congregation…….

Requiring financial statements to be submitted to the church disclosing the gross earnings of any adult in the family so as to properly monitor their Tithing…..

Rewarding members who tithe greater amounts than other members with special parking spaces, and other benefits not offered to those who cannot give as much

Appointment of family members to positions of leadership within the congregation to assure that control of the church is maintained

Constructing multi -million dollar Cathedrals while within a 10 mile radius there are numerous poor, needy and homeless struggling to survive.


These and more are normal events within the Southern Baptist Churches in the surrounding Counties where I live. And won’t even go into the various theological ideologies/teachings I disagree with based on the Word of God……….. Why I am not a Baptist.

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Baptists believe strongly in individual accountability to God because the Scriptures clearly teach that "every one of us shall give account of himself to God" (Romans 14:12). Again, most American Protestant denominations have slowly adopted this view, but Luther, Calvin, and others did not, and many European and South American Protestant churches continue to practice formal confession as do Catholics.
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Kind of flies in the face of Grace only teachings by the Baptists……..


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Baptist people furthermore have always held to believers' baptism. None of the Protestant Reformers held this Bible teaching, and sprinkling rather than immersion is practiced by those churches today.
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Not true whatsoever………..CoG Reformation Movement has ALWAYS taught and practiced immersion baptism.
Before making such claims, be sure they are correct please.


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  • Baptists, on the basis of Scripture, have always held to a regenerate church membership; that is, a membership that is made up only of people who give a credible profession of faith in Christ. There is no automatic or formalistic membership in Baptist churches today, but there is in both Protestant and Catholic churches.


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Except for the need to be VOTED ON to be a member, and having a LETTER ON FILE with the church one attends that has to be TRANSFERRED to another church should one move……seems “formalistic to me.


Now, I have no problem with those who choose to belong to a Baptist church............to each his own. But they are not perfect, nor are they the "One Church." They are simply one denomination of many Christian denominations in existence today. As well as all the Non-Denominational congregations within the Church today. As I said, to each his own. I'm just happy that people choose to belong to a church congregation, and to worship and praise God.
 

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Nope. Not at all. They simply practiced their faith and wished to be able to do so without persecution. But both the Protestant and Catholic movements severely persecuted them, so if they were "reformed," they were being persecuted by their own brothers? Not at all. Reformed hated the immersion requirement of the Baptists, and that Baptists re-baptized those leaving either the Protestant or Catholic churches. As I detailed accurately in my post, which you have read, else you wouldn't have said it was "interesting." (I think here you have read to many ''experts online'' who was persecuted? why? was it just them? if it wasn't just them why? now if you look at England where it is generally accepted to be the region for the first 'Baptists' many Acts came from parliament...do you know what they where? If you think you come from Anabaptists.. who do you mean those of Munster...who crowned themselves a King David and brought back polygammy, or was it the Anabaptist reformer Menno or do you see your line from the Hutterites? this will be interesting to read I look forward to it).

I didn't equate them to those groups. I simply used their documented existence as proof there was practice of true faith aside from the gradual drift away from it by "Mother Church." and don't you thin they may have 'protested'?

That's not accurate, and simply a repetition of "old wisdom" which doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny. Just as Cardinal Hosius stated in his 14th century writing, Baptists were known for centuries before either of those movements, or the Protestants. (you mislead here VG...there where groups who would 'dunk' people as baptism..they weren't baptists as in what we would describe.. oh an you do realise the puritans trace their roots right back??)


I think not. As I said, Baptists traditionally hold to no creeds or dogmas, but the simple word of God. The London Confession reveals the true nature of those behind its adoption as being of the Reformed Movement/The Reformation. And as I said, Baptists predate that movement. What the Confession means is that the Reformed Movement abrogated the Baptist name, not that the Baptists were any way, shape, or form Protestant. or theres the 1644 baptist confession plus all the modern american ones? you may get your roots from the anabaptits and menonites, but I certainly do not. I'll refer you to the seperatists/puritans ..john smyth, john bunyan etc etc etc

I was going to answer you above but I'll send you back to your original post! , people just need to go back to your OP..

Can I recommend a good read for you its a good introduction ?

(A Lion Handbook) The History of Christianity.
 

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Here is the thing, there are now and have been since the start of Christian churches the belief that their is no universal church. Like I just posted- belief that the body of Christ is a local body of believers. Membership at salvation being to the family of God and not to a body of Christ yet.

Hi Wattie,


I don't quite understand how that relates to my post as it concerned the answering of another post.. Anyhow, I can't see how anyone can say there is no universal church. All those who are in Christ are in the family of God. And that can only come by Faith alone in Christ alone.
 
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Nah. Only two kinds of Catholic denominations I know of -- Roman and Eastern Orthodox.
There are no Catholic denominations. The more accurate term would be 'rites', and there are around 24 of them, with the Roman rite and the eastern rites being the largest, and thus more recognizable.


Since the Roman rite and the eastern rites are more recognizable than the other rites, with millions practicing them, then they are commonly used to represent the Catholic Church as a whole.
 
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