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It is pretty simple if we want to know.
Because it is not our faith that saves us. It is the person in whom we place our faith that saves us.
He bought us. We are no longer our own. And He seals us.
We receive divine discipline,we lose rewards,blessing,reign and rank in the kingdom if we are complete idiots. We will not inherit the kingdom, but we WILL enter the kingdom.
These rewards glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, so it isn't on the level of having a lolly pop taken from us. This is serious business, so there are harsh warnings to believers who act like idiots. But we are bought and paid for.
Because it is not our faith that saves us. It is the person in whom we place our faith that saves us.
He bought us. We are no longer our own. And He seals us.
We receive divine discipline,we lose rewards,blessing,reign and rank in the kingdom if we are complete idiots. We will not inherit the kingdom, but we WILL enter the kingdom.
These rewards glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, so it isn't on the level of having a lolly pop taken from us. This is serious business, so there are harsh warnings to believers who act like idiots. But we are bought and paid for.
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Yes it does you just do not want to see that !!!
The Lord Jesus Christ says hatred is murder, and in 1 John the Apostle John says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
(Matthew 5:22, 1 John 3:15)
The only way to be forgiven of your sins is to repent/confess of them, and the Apostle John makes this very clear in 1 John 1:7-2:1.
Read the parable of the Lost Sheep in Luke 15 for it shows the lost sheep only gets brought back in the fold if they repent !!!
2 Corinthians 12:21
And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
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Now VW, are you Primitive, Southern, FreeWill, Reformed, First, American, Landmark Baptist etc? 
...oh...Southern, I found it.
...oh...Southern, I found it.
I grew up baptist. I forget telling people I was a baptist, because they had all these preconceived ideas of what A baptist was, and hardly any of them were correct. So I just started to say I am a child of Good.
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No if the warnings were just lose of rewards they would not be harsh and given as much emphasis as they are in the bible, and some of them clearly show they are speaking on eternal life and not rewards.
James 5:19-20 is not talking about rewards when speaking of one who departs from the faith as it clearly shows it is speaking on returning to the Lord or face eternal death. Also Apostle Paul gives a number of scriptures that clearly say the words eternal life or salvation in them, so they can not be misinterpret as rewards. (Romans 2:7, 2 Timothy 4:2-8, 1 Timothy 4:16, Romans 11:19-22, Colossians 1:22-23) <------- These all speak of eternal life and not rewards !!!
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every time we grieve or quench the Spirit............we don't have eternal life abiding in us(we are operating in the flesh). We have eternal life, but it is not abiding in us, because we are out of fellowship with God and operating from our flesh.
The moment we 1 John 1:9 and get back into the Spirit, we have eternal life abiding in us again.
The believer who does not KNOW(Grown in Grace and knowledge after salvation) God and thinks he can lose salvation, has eternal life, but it is not ABIDING in him.
The moment we 1 John 1:9 and get back into the Spirit, we have eternal life abiding in us again.
The believer who does not KNOW(Grown in Grace and knowledge after salvation) God and thinks he can lose salvation, has eternal life, but it is not ABIDING in him.
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Once again you are not looking at those scriptures that I gave to you on what they say, as they do not show lose of rewards in them if the person does not return to the Lord. They clearly state that it is not eternal life they will receive by continuing in those ways.
Eternal life is what we are told to strive for in the bible, not rewards when we get to heaven !!!
Another passage I would suggest you read would be Luke 12:43-49 from the Lord Jesus, as there in that passage He speaks on those who are disobedient servants. For He says those who know what their Master (Lord) wants them to do, but does not do it will be appointed a place with the unbelievers and face punishment.
If somebody instructs a person can be disobedient and still have salvation then this passage in Luke is completely being ignored as well as many other passages. The separation of the Sheep and the Goats from Matthew 25 is not believers from unbelievers as has been false told in some denominations, the goats are the disobedient !!!
Eternal life is what we are told to strive for in the bible, not rewards when we get to heaven !!!
Another passage I would suggest you read would be Luke 12:43-49 from the Lord Jesus, as there in that passage He speaks on those who are disobedient servants. For He says those who know what their Master (Lord) wants them to do, but does not do it will be appointed a place with the unbelievers and face punishment.
If somebody instructs a person can be disobedient and still have salvation then this passage in Luke is completely being ignored as well as many other passages. The separation of the Sheep and the Goats from Matthew 25 is not believers from unbelievers as has been false told in some denominations, the goats are the disobedient !!!
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Yes it is, which is why we can not put all our eggs in one basket..............LOL
The baptist church I grew up in taught on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and did not do away with them as some churches now days does. So I have personal experience in the Baptist church from my area, and I know for a certain they all do not preach and teach in the same ways even to today !!!
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lol. Oh you think so?
I have went to a catholic church too. and have MANY catholic friends. I do not assume things about catholics..
but then again, like baptists. so many of you Catholics believe different things, you say your united and one denomination, but in reality, you are not.
But you will not believe that either will ya?
I have went to a catholic church too. and have MANY catholic friends. I do not assume things about catholics..
but then again, like baptists. so many of you Catholics believe different things, you say your united and one denomination, but in reality, you are not.
But you will not believe that either will ya?
That is actually wrong. Catholicism is the same all over the world. The priest just can't make it up as he goes, like other denoms. I can go to a Catholic church anywhere in the world and it is the same as my church here. This is why you don't see a hundred Catholic churches in one town
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How many catholic churches have you been too?
Again, I have been to quite a few, and KNOW MANY practicing catholics. and they do not all believe the same, teach the same or agree with everything.
When are you going to stop listening to what your being told by your priest, and start realizing reality?
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I thought that way to once, until I actually sat down and talked to different Catholics from different churches and found out that some of them do not give sermons based on what the archdiocese tells them to do.
I was told this what you have said in the Catholic church I was in for a few years, and found out that is not exactly true......
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I went to my first baptist church at the wipe young age of 5 (I can still see my father driving into the parking lot) I went to that same church (even though it went through many changes in pastors and affiliations (until I was 17 when I went into the military, At that time, I went to many different baptist churches all over the country (michigan, Texas, Northern Ohio, FLorida, Massachusettes)
I can say as for as the church service goes. You can not tell one from another they are all the same (or at least appear the same) It is when you get down to the nitty gritty doctrinal issues that they differ, But unless you are around them for awhile, and get down and dirty with them (deep into doctrinal issues, not just sunday/wed service and involved in everything)
You would never know there was a difference. You would think they were all the same.
I can say as for as the church service goes. You can not tell one from another they are all the same (or at least appear the same) It is when you get down to the nitty gritty doctrinal issues that they differ, But unless you are around them for awhile, and get down and dirty with them (deep into doctrinal issues, not just sunday/wed service and involved in everything)
You would never know there was a difference. You would think they were all the same.
The sermon (homily) is supposed to be based off of the Four bible readings for that particular Sunday ( 3 readings during the week) but the priest does have some lee way with his sermon(homily). Sorry, for the use of the word Homily. Sermon just makes me think of a preacher sweating, and screaming. and spitting and telling me I'm going to Hell. But, then some like that. I dated a woman who loved to hear those fired up sermons. I'm afraid if my priest preached like that an exorcist would be called! LOL