Who is for Israel?

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Who is for Israel?

  • I support Israel

    Votes: 28 87.5%
  • I do not support israel

    Votes: 4 12.5%

  • Total voters
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As I have pointed out it was in the inter-testamental period. Edomites by Hyrcanus. Galilean Gentiles by Aristobulus. They are well attested historical facts.

LOL you need to get your fact right. It was not Reuben.
I don't want historical facts, I want biblical proof.
 

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Still waiting on this one from Valiant. One time I believed the Tribe of Reuben tricked some into being circumcised and then slaughtered them during their painful recovery...doesn't count as it was no where near God's will.
Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans in the Negev near Eilat. During this campaign Hyrcanus conqueredAdora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans. This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler.

Aristobulus. Much of the Galilee region was annexed by Aristobulus, however, there was some resistance from the Arab Ituraean tribes by the northern parts of the region that required military operations. The region made it difficult to conduct such campaigning against the Galilee inhabitants. In the end, Aristobulus would eventually conquer much of the territory from them.[SUP][[/SUP]The Golan region was also taken during the campaign and Mount Hermon as well. The conquered inhabitants were forced to accept the Jewish faith, primarily,circumcision was forcibly performed as the first step to conversion.
 
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Herod the Greats father was of Idumean blood named Anitpater. The Idumeans were of the Edomite stock, descendants of Easu and they were viewed with suspicion and prejudice, the Jews called them "half Jews".
Why did they see them as Jews at all? Because under Hyrcanus they had been forcibly converted to Judaism. Strictly therefore they were Jews. But man is always racial and prejudiced. Hence the title half-Jews.
I say again, give me some scriptural proof of conversion under Hyrcanus.

The march from Egypt to Canaan was not a restoration. You cannot have anything restored to you unless it has been in your posession before, and Palestine was never in the possession of the Children of Israel until after its conquest by Joshua.
But they lived in it and possessed land there and pastured their flocks their. It was 'their land'. . Thus it WAS a restoration. They saw themselves as restored to their homeland.
No they weren't ever restored to the Promised Land. The Book of Joshua begins by citing the death of Moses who never entered the Promised Land of Canaan.

"Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all the people, unto the land which I do give them, even the children of Israel. Joshua 1:1,2

As obvious as the nose on your face that they took posession of the land under Joshua.
 
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Still waiting on this one from Valiant. One time I believed the Tribe of Reuben tricked some into being circumcised and then slaughtered them during their painful recovery...doesn't count as it was no where near God's will.
Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans in the Negev near Eilat. During this campaign Hyrcanus conqueredAdora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans. This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler.

Aristobulus. Much of the Galilee region was annexed by Aristobulus, however, there was some resistance from the Arab Ituraean tribes by the northern parts of the region that required military operations. The region made it difficult to conduct such campaigning against the Galilee inhabitants. In the end, Aristobulus would eventually conquer much of the territory from them.[SUP][[/SUP]The Golan region was also taken during the campaign and Mount Hermon as well. The conquered inhabitants were forced to accept the Jewish faith, primarily,circumcision was forcibly performed as the first step to conversion.
Biblical proof, not Josephus!
 

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Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans in the Negev near Eilat. During this campaign Hyrcanus conqueredAdora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans. This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler.

Aristobulus. Much of the Galilee region was annexed by Aristobulus, however, there was some resistance from the Arab Ituraean tribes by the northern parts of the region that required military operations. The region made it difficult to conduct such campaigning against the Galilee inhabitants. In the end, Aristobulus would eventually conquer much of the territory from them.[SUP][[/SUP]The Golan region was also taken during the campaign and Mount Hermon as well. The conquered inhabitants were forced to accept the Jewish faith, primarily,circumcision was forcibly performed as the first step to conversion.

I'm not a history buff, but none of those names sound Jewish. Where did JEWS force conversion to Judaism?
That sounded as if the Romans or puppets of Rome were doing the forcing.
 

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I wish Netanyahu were ours. . .
Unlike most Jews today he is at least reading the Scriptures ...setting an example. Pray the Lord opens his eyes as he reads :)
 
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Unlike most Jews today he is at least reading the Scriptures ...setting an example. Pray the Lord opens his eyes as he reads :)
How do you know that he is reading Scripture?
 

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I'm not a history buff, but none of those names sound Jewish. Where did JEWS force conversion to Judaism?
That sounded as if the Romans or puppets of Rome were doing the forcing.
LOL John Hyrcanus was the son of Simon Maccabaeus, brother of Judas Maccabaeus.. Aristobulus was Hycanus' son. I suppose you will now say that the Maccabees don't sound Jewish LOL
 
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Biblical proof, not Josephus!
were you born foolish, or did it come on gradually.? How can you have Scripture for the intertestamental period? And incidentally it isn't Josephus who wrote that LOL


I suppose you don't believe in Adolph Hitler. He's not in Scripture either.

No wonder you have so many sceptics in America.
 
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No they weren't ever restored to the Promised Land. The Book of Joshua begins by citing the death of Moses who never entered the Promised Land of Canaan.

"Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister saying, Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all the people, unto the land which I do give them, even the children of Israel. Joshua 1:1,2

As obvious as the nose on your face that they took posession of the land under Joshua.
As they took possession of a good part of the land when they were there in the days of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 13.5-6; 20.15; 26.12-14; 26.22),

LOL you will deny anything to enable you to avoid the truth
 
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I am!! God said to Abraham "I will bless those that bless you anf curse those that curse you" I rather bless and pray for the peace Israel than be cursed by the almighty God. God is with his people!
 

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I am!! God said to Abraham "I will bless those that bless you anf curse those that curse you" I rather bless and pray for the peace Israel than be cursed by the almighty God. God is with his people!
all Christians are sons of Abraham (Gal 3.29) Many Arabs are sons of Abraham. God Himself cursed Israel, so I wouldn't worry.

WE are His people. :)
 

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I'm not a history buff, but none of those names sound Jewish. Where did JEWS force conversion to Judaism?
That sounded as if the Romans or puppets of Rome were doing the forcing.
They were independent JEWISH rulers of the Jews. Read up some history.
 
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Amen God cursed his people because they always turned away from Him and turned to idols. We are part of His people inserted into the branches, but as a Chirstian, I don't have the authority to curse the people of Israel just like Balaam wasn't allowed to curse Israel instead he blessed them. The Only One who has authority to bless or curse is God. It is an honor to be part of His people! Thank you Lord!
 
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Saladbin What aload of tosh you inflict on members. Whatever will you Obama Haters do when he leaves office? Were you
so active when Bush invaded Iraq, resulting in the state he left it in? Did you support Gadafe who was responsible for Lockerby and the murder of a young unarmed Police Woman in London? Do you want world war three?
 
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As they took possession of a good part of the land when they were there in the days of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 13.5-6; 20.15; 26.12-14; 26.22),

LOL you will deny anything to enable you to avoid the truth
Just because someone lives some place doesn't mean they actually posses the land.

Gen.17:8 - And I will give unto thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting posession; and I will be their God.

Wherein thou art a "stranger" literally means "of your sojournings". The land wasn't theirs yet they were just living and wandering around on it.

And the Lord gave unto Israel "all the land he sware to give unto their fathers"; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Joshua 21:43

Not until Joshua did they truly own and posses the land of Canaan.
 
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crossnote I went to Israel some years ago and they sold Maccabee Lager there. The 1st book of Maccabees has a lot of info about them and the festival of Hannukah celebrates the retaking of the temple by the Maccabees when they defeated Antiochus Epiphanes the prefiguration of the Antichrist.
 

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Just because someone lives some place doesn't mean they actually posses the land.

Gen.17:8 - And I will give unto thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting posession; and I will be their God.

Wherein thou art a "stranger" literally means "of your sojournings". The land wasn't theirs yet they were just living and wandering around on it.

And the Lord gave unto Israel "all the land he sware to give unto their fathers"; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Joshua 21:43

Not until Joshua did they truly own and posses the land of Canaan.
But it was still their land, and they returned to it. If someone had said to them, where are you from?' they would have replied 'Canaan'. Apart from in his youth Jacob had never lived anywhere else. Nor had his sons. You are playing with words.

But then your kind do that a lot in order to uphold their unscriptural ideas.
 
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How do you know that he is reading Scripture?
I've read it on aish.com but you can google it also.
OT only of course.
 
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