Abortion and God's grace

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Anon

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Just a little observation..when someone comes and makes a first post like this ..you can figure that 99% of the time..its some kind of trolling deal..usally to make some kind of leftwing political point. Had I thought this was a real girl in a real battle to know and do what was right..i would have approached this with more grace .
What a lovely Christian attitude to take to new people, I can assure you I am very real with a very real history I will add you to my prayers xx
 
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Anon

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My concern, Anon logged off right after posting this and hasn't come back online. I hate to think this way but it kinda looks as if its another post just to make people debate against each other over a touchy subject. I truly hope not. :(

If it's a real post however.. I really hope the OP is in deep prayer over this. And whatever the choice the OP makes, I hope and pray God is by her side through it. Either decision is going to be hard and painful. I just Hope she is seeking Gods grace regardless.
I posted late at night, I live in the UK and needed to go to sleep
 
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Mitspa

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What a lovely Christian attitude to take to new people, I can assure you I am very real with a very real history I will add you to my prayers xx
Thank you.... I don't think abortion is a Christian attitude..do you?
 

JesusLives

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Just a little observation..when someone comes and makes a first post like this ..you can figure that 99% of the time..its some kind of trolling deal..usally to make some kind of leftwing political point. Had I thought this was a real girl in a real battle to know and do what was right..i would have approached this with more grace .
I am not looking through the same crystal ball you appear to be looking through and whether real or not this situation still merits a kind, gentle and loving response as there are many guests who come on and read these threads. We are representatives of Christ and have been asked to love the Lord with all our hearts and our neighbors as ourselves. Being a little sensitive goes a long way.
 
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Mitspa

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I am not looking through the same crystal ball you appear to be looking through and whether real or not this situation still merits a kind, gentle and loving response as there are many guests who come on and read these threads. We are representatives of Christ and have been asked to love the Lord with all our hearts and our neighbors as ourselves. Being a little sensitive goes a long way.
Thank you I will try to remember that the next time someone wants to kill a baby...im sure the baby will be very happy that Christians didn't upset those who wanted to stick a sharp object into their head
 
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prodigal

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a letter from a father to his daughter.

to my beloved daughter,
i will always be there for you no matter what. when i was younger i had a baby boy, my first, sadly he died as a baby. I held him as he took his last breathe. It felt like my heart broke in 2. Now every birthday i wonder, what would he have been like. I smile now when i think of him many years later. But for many years i cried. Whatever you choose to do, i will love you because my love for you is unconditional. But think carefully before you rush into anything because these decision can only be made once. but the consequences can last a life time. God Bless


Ecclesiastes 11:3b

Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where it falls, there it will lie.
 
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Anon

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She's not genuine. Her question exposes her hypocrisy. It's kinda like wolf in sheep's clothing. This time, however, the OP didn't cover her rear end. And that I ain't going to slap. But could it be that is her .... I ain't saying it. :eek:
Right now I am trying not to judge and to extend grace, but to make such a huge conclusion that I am not genuine is causing some very bad words to enter my head grrrrrrr
 
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Anon

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Thank you.... I don't think abortion is a Christian attitude..do you?
Perhaps if you had looked at what I had quoted, I was responding to the post not my original post, please do not twist my words to fit your own agenda. Only you have said the above not me. I was simply commenting on the posters attitude. Now I have no more words for you and I pray that no one in need ever crosses your path because I have never come across a more venomous unchristian person as yourself
 
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Mitspa

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Perhaps if you had looked at what I had quoted, I was responding to the post not my original post, please do not twist my words to fit your own agenda. Only you have said the above not me. I was simply commenting on the posters attitude. Now I have no more words for you and I pray that no one in need ever crosses your path because I have never come across a more venomous unchristian person as yourself
Can I ask you what your name means? because I know what it can mean.
 
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Mitspa

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anon is the one that is always willing too add a bit of internet chaos to your day.
 
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atwhatcost

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I posted late at night, I live in the UK and needed to go to sleep
You slept? Cool! I was afraid you couldn't. So, kudos to God to help you sleep. (It counts, even if it's something as small as sleeping.)

Minus all the bickering on here, big question -- have you undecided yet? Have you given yourself some wiggle room to check into all the different aspects of your decision? Key points being seeking God (in prayer and in his word), talking to hubby, and talking to your OB?

Honestly, I have no idea how to pinpoint what his word says about your situation, but I know how to find out. If interested, PM me. I suspect if we took this off the main forums for a bit, we could come up with ways to find out minus the personal attacks and opines.
 
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Anon

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You slept? Cool! I was afraid you couldn't. So, kudos to God to help you sleep. (It counts, even if it's something as small as sleeping.)

Minus all the bickering on here, big question -- have you undecided yet? Have you given yourself some wiggle room to check into all the different aspects of your decision? Key points being seeking God (in prayer and in his word), talking to hubby, and talking to your OB?

Honestly, I have no idea how to pinpoint what his word says about your situation, but I know how to find out. If interested, PM me. I suspect if we took this off the main forums for a bit, we could come up with ways to find out minus the personal attacks and opines.
I take medication still to make me sleep and for my depression, without the sedatives I can be up for days at a time but thankfully with my melds I have been stable for at least a year and a half

my decision Is still up in the air, I have talked it over with my husband and he wants an abortion.
 
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atwhatcost

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I want to say this first atwhatcost, I really like you,wow that sounded corny.I mean that I think we agree most of the time and I want respectfully disagree. :)

My view is not a political one,its a Biblical one.Yes I understand she has fears.I stood by the bedside of my 43 year old aunt as she died of stomach cancer.I understand fear,she had two young teens she was leaving behind. I understand death.She was under 93 pounds when she died.Not even enough strength to lift her head off her pillow.So no this is not a political or uncaring stance that I am taking.The woman said she wanted another child,even after what she had gone through and said she is still recovering,she choose to try again.Now that she has what she longed for she is using fear and her sickness as an excuse to murder her child.She knew how her first pregnancy turned out,why would she put herself in that danger again? Well she did.That was her choice,not the childs. Abortion is wrong.On top of this decision she wants us to tell her its ok to do so and to tell her God forgives her.That is beyond the pale. Killing a child is wrong and it was her decision to put herself in this position again. People can tell her whatever they like,she needs to pray,talk to her pastor and read the Bible.If she does that she will come to a different conclusion.If she can have faith in Gods grace she can have faith that he will honor her for doing the right thing. Ask the women in the church to surround her in prayer.Have faith and God will see her through.
The choice here isn't between you watching your aunt die and your aunt dying. It's between a mother and her baby. Or, it's not, because death isn't the guaranteed outcome of this.

When I was a kid we were walking along the railroad tracks and came up to a bridge. The railroad tracks were on the top of that bridge and I could see the traffic below. I thought I was brave. Walking across was much easier then climbing down, getting across that road, and then climbing back up. I thought I could handle a bridge. Ha! Not even. The terror struck four feet after seeing the road below. I thought I could do it, but once I started panic took over. It was just a railroad bridge. No big deal.

Dad had a Harley Sportster. He almost got run over on one of those famous Jersey Circles, but, instead, he wiped out streaking down the shoulder of the road enough to rip his leather down to his skin, and all the time fighting to keep the half ton bike off of him as it traveled with him. Two of his ribs broke and he had to lift the half-ton bike to get home. He sold the bike. A few years later, he missed that bike so bought another one. They delivered it to his house. He spent a week trying to get the courage to get on it and ride it. Never happened. They came and took it back. (It depreciated too. lol) It's just a bike.

This isn't a just-a. This is something far more serious. Have you never ever done something you thought you could do, just to find out you aren't as brave as you thought you were? Can't we remember that as we consider what we say to Anon? Anon isn't the only one who needs some time to breathe. Some time to think. Some time to seek God.

She's just stuck being the one all these decisions lay on without it being a simple just-a involved. Any particular reason we can't all be praying for God's will in this one, instead of our wills? She could use that much.
 
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atwhatcost

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I take medication still to make me sleep and for my depression, without the sedatives I can be up for days at a time but thankfully with my melds I have been stable for at least a year and a half

my decision Is still up in the air, I have talked it over with my husband and he wants an abortion.
As a fellow insomniac, thank God for sleeping medications.

One down -- hubby. Now the one to consult is God. (Every serious question I've ever asked God has been answered by way of his word in usually odd, but unmistakable ways. A nonbeliever would never believe me about that, but I know it happens.) I still think the OB could be helpful. I know they've redefined the SPD into another name, so maybe they've come up with ways to deal with that. No idea about the other problems though, but your OB would know.
 

JesusLives

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Thank you I will try to remember that the next time someone wants to kill a baby...im sure the baby will be very happy that Christians didn't upset those who wanted to stick a sharp object into their head
It is a bad thing to kill a baby and I know this first hand.... Tell me what are some of your sins? You don't think you will go to hell if you don't repent of them? I had to ask for forgiveness for this and many more sins I have committed in my 60 years of life. Yes, I have broken all ten commandments literally and I am not proud of it... But God has grace and mercy and has forgiven me because I asked for forgiveness and trust that He has forgiven me.

I will tell you what being such a BIG SINNER has done for me......it has given me compassion for other people who are going through some of the same sins and temptations I went through. I know I deserve death, because of my sins and guess what? We all deserve death because that is what the wages of sin is.

All I have to say is that I am glad God is my judge and not you...God is gracious and merciful longsuffering and when we repent and turn away from sinning He forgives us...

God will forgive all sins the unpardonable sin is against the Holy Spirit.


Yes, abortion is murder not only did I do that back in my late 20's I attempted suicide at 40. God has forgiven me for both and many more sins.

None of us have the right to sit in judgment of this woman with a very difficult decision to make with much prayer to God and consulting her doctor.
 
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Mitspa

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It is a bad thing to kill a baby and I know this first hand.... Tell me what are some of your sins? You don't think you will go to hell if you don't repent of them? I had to ask for forgiveness for this and many more sins I have committed in my 60 years of life. Yes, I have broken all ten commandments literally and I am not proud of it... But God has grace and mercy and has forgiven me because I asked for forgiveness and trust that He has forgiven me.

I will tell you what being such a BIG SINNER has done for me......it has given me compassion for other people who are going through some of the same sins and temptations I went through. I know I deserve death, because of my sins and guess what? We all deserve death because that is what the wages of sin is.

All I have to say is that I am glad God is my judge and not you...God is gracious and merciful longsuffering and when we repent and turn away from sinning He forgives us...

God will forgive all sins the unpardonable sin is against the Holy Spirit.


Yes, abortion is murder not only did I do that back in my late 20's I attempted suicide at 40. God has forgiven me for both and many more sins.

None of us have the right to sit in judgment of this woman with a very difficult decision to make with much prayer to God and consulting her doctor.
Look the lady said she is thinking of killing a baby...that's cut and dry with me no matter what sins you or i have commited...there is no place to "decide" to kill this baby in my mind...If this is a real person and not a "anon"
 
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BarlyGurl

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Look the lady said she is thinking of killing a baby...that's cut and dry with me no matter what sins you or i have commited...there is no place to "decide" to kill this baby in my mind...If this is a real person and not a "anon"
I am praying every single person here who said getting an abortion is OKAY be struck dumb and blind for 3 days! In the name of JESUS!
 

HoneyDew

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James 3:8-11 But no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?

Numbers 23:8
8 How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the Lord hath not defied?

1 Peter 3:9 9 Do not return evil for evil or insult for insult, but instead bless others because you were called to inherit a blessing.

Luke 6:28-30 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask themback.

Galatians 6:6 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Romans 15:1 We who are strong must be considerate of those who are sensitive about things like this. We must not just please ourselves. We should help others do what is right and build them up in the Lord.

 
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kaylagrl

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I take medication still to make me sleep and for my depression, without the sedatives I can be up for days at a time but thankfully with my melds I have been stable for at least a year and a half

my decision Is still up in the air, I have talked it over with my husband and he wants an abortion.
You have caused quite a stir here with your question.People are at each others throats.So if I may say a few things,you may wish to ignore me and thats fine. When people dont respond to peoples posts a lot of times they turn out to be a troll. You have come back and so therefore that is not true of you.As I had said "time will tell". I dont call people trolls often but after 4 pages of answers it was looking that way.Surely you can understand how some of us,who have been here a longer time, would be use to this behavior.

Secondly I am not trying to be your judge.I believe abortion is wrong and it has nothing to do with politics. I cant help that that doesnt seem compassionate,Im not trying to be uncaring. But as Christians we need to trust God to carry us through and ask our church to support us in prayer.What Lynn does not know about me is that I do understand depression and fear.I was stuck with a chronic illness at the age of 16.I suffer pain every day of my life. I also suffer from random violent dizziness that many times causes me to fall to the floor.Because of this I lived at my parents home until I married less than a year ago. So when I say trust Gods grace to carry you through I dont speak Christianese. I speak from a place of suffering and many times,depression. I am not an uncaring person but I stand by what I believe.Im no holier than thou,I make mistakes too but that doesn't change the truth of the Bible.

Lastly I hope you will change your mind. God is with you and He can and will help you through.Dont let the devil bind you with fear.Trust me,Ive had to fight that battle. I believe God will touch you as you are faithful to Him.He has His purpose for our lives and he has one for yours.I hope you better understand my position. May you find His peace in your situation.
 
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Galahad

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Right now I am trying not to judge and to extend grace, but to make such a huge conclusion that I am not genuine is causing some very bad words to enter my head grrrrrrr
Your original post says it all. Full of glaring contradictions. And completely against truth.