All We Like Sheep...for the Slaughter.

[Is]

Ever hear a sermon on this verse? (Not a fav amongst WOF preachers)

Your take on it? Are we to be passive like sheep? Are you there yet ?

If it's any consolation, here is the previous verse...

I love Paul in the sense that he such a good Rah Rah minister, come on team, one for The Gipper!

Then said he, Lo I Come To Do Thy Will, O God. He taketh away the frist, that he may establish the

second. By the which will we are {{{sanctified}}} through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ

once for all. Hebrews 10:10

(verse 29)....Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath

trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was

{{{sanctified}}}, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the {{{Spirit of Grace}}}?

(verse 32a)...But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated,

(verse 39a)...But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition

 

[dcontroversal]

If they shall kill the master what shall they do unto the servants.......Jesus said to his disciples....I send you out as sheep among the wolves..be wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove....I will suffer for Christ's sake when it comes to righteousness sake, but will fight like hell to defend myself and those I love or a brother and sister in Christ or a Jewish person if it is just a violent, bloody man trying to rape or kill for the cause of evil!

 

[atwhatcost]

Ever hear a sermon on this verse? (Not a fav amongst WOF preachers)

Your take on it? Are we to be passive like sheep? Are you there yet ?

If it's any consolation, here is the previous verse...

Yes, I have.

The verse comes out of Psalm 44, which talks about how tough God can be on his people. The verse is toward the end of that Psalm, verse 22, and yet there is literally a "Yet" starting that verse.

Amazingly the following verses sound like the Psalmist is scolding God to wake up and notice. I think he's really begging from the torment of one who has seen the worst though.

And God came. We are superman through Christ. I am passive quite often. Unable to do a thing to change my circumstances, and yet God is making me princessly through him. Nothing can separate us from God. Pretty cool!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Psalm 44:22
Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.= "daily sacrifice" (In Christ we die daily)

40 years in the wilderness x 360 days in a year = 14400 which is a tenth of 144,000

Isaiah 6:13
But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

Deuteronomy 32:9
For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

 

[Utah]

Was Jesus wrong when He did that very thing? He actually LET the howling mob murder Him when He had way more than enough power to crush them.

Of course Jesus was not wrong, but my being murdered by a mob will not bring forth eternal life for people who hear of me.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Interesting responses. I'll just try to watch this thread 'passively' interjecting a question here and there like a good sheep

I haven't heard much on the 'killed all the day long' part or 'led to the slaughter'. Rather not think about it?...

Romans 8:36 (KJV) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Okay . . I went back and read the full chapter of Romans 8 and this is what I came away with:
We have been given the Spirit of adoption
We ARE the sons of God
We are heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ
And the sufferings (whatever they may be) of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory -
Wherein we will be delivered from the bondage of corruption (inherited from Adam)
The redemption of our body - our hope.
The Spirit of Christ makes intercession on our behalf
All things work together for good to them that love God
We are to be conformed to the image of His Son [which we will be (1 John 3:2) when he returns - when we will be delivered from the bondage of corruption - the redemption of our bodies, our hope - UNTIL then, the Spirit of Christ intercedes on our behalf (full circle)]
What shall we say to these things? (all the above)
We can say - If God be for us who can be against us.
God that spared not his own Son? How shall He not through him FREELY give us all things?
Who shall lay anything against God's elect? NOT God - for he justifies
Who shall condemn? NOT Christ - for he intercedes on our behalf
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? v. 38,39

NOW we have this verse: As it is written For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Are you kidding me? After saying all that we have in and through Christ - we have this statement. At first it made me think that this verse was said facetiously - not to be taken seriously or literally but I lean more to believing the figure of speech - irony (saying the opposite of what you mean in order to emphasize it) is used to emphasize the fact the next statement - NAY - NO, NO, NO in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. It emphasizes who and what we are in and through our Lord Jesus Christ.

At least that's the way I see it . . . for what it's worth.

 

[oldthennew]

I really know what "take up our cross means". Most of you know that I have some serious struggles now to live 24/7 with the problems my husband is going through. To take up my cross means that I must humbly accept this time as an appointed season in my life. I surrender and not whimper. I must "give thanks for everything" as it comes. As it even worsens.

I must take up the cross, and not fight with it, or try to throw it down in anger. I must die to what my self desires (to run from it). I must die to complaining. It is the slaughter of my own nature and the beginnings of developing the fruits of His - endurance, patience, long suffering, and peace in the midst of turmoil. It is the slaughter of my own flesh and being conformed to His image.

At least for me. For someone else it might be really being persecuted for teaching the Word. To everyone the cross is different. But it must be "taken up".

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OH JOI,

you are such a blessing to us.

you're 'real-life' application to Spiritual Principles is an INSPIRATION to US!!!

why I say this is because, like you, I am my spouces care=giver.

on perfect days she can and always will be the perfect 'help-meet', and struggle through her infirmities =
to walk hand-in-hand with me, and do all she can too lighten my load, but the reality is, that she can be paralyzed
at any moment because of a wrong movement.
but, she doesn't 'give-in' to her fleshly torment, she stands firm in the Faith that Christ will see her through,
and she has many other ailments that exacerbate her primary illness.
I liken her to Paul who rejoiced in his infirmities - we know, that through our weaknesses that Christ is made
strong in us.

she is an inspiration to me, especially when I am weak! God is teaching us Faith, strength, humility,
acceptance of His will, and as it is written, 'It is better to give than to receive'.

 

[atwhatcost]

I am a warriour and take nothing from the enemy. I will take nothing lying down.

If God's going to slam you (which is who that verse is about -- God doing his toughest on his kids), it really doesn't matter if you stand sit, or lie down. He's still going to make life hard on you so you learn the only thing you can do is trust in him.

 

[atwhatcost]

Interesting responses. I'll just try to watch this thread 'passively' interjecting a question here and there like a good sheep

I haven't heard much on the 'killed all the day long' part or 'led to the slaughter'. Rather not think about it?...

Romans 8:36 (KJV) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Um, I think Miri covered that.

 

[atwhatcost]

In the historical background of this passage, Nero was persecuting Christians day and night. Nero had Paul killed 10 years after he penned these verses.............interesting to note, Nero died 2 weeks after Pauls death.

I believe this historical back ground plays a role in the interpretation of these passages.Paul addresses 5 challenges that the believer may face in this new Christian life:

1.vs 31~~The challenge of detractors(opposition to grace).
2.vs 32~~the challenge of fortiori blessings.(if He gave us His best[his Son] He can and will give any lesser blessings)
3.vs 33-34~~The challenge of attitude towards Brothers.(every time we judge another brother, we judge Gods plan for them.)
4.vs 35-37~~the challenge of undeserved suffering and martyrdom.(The supreme victory for the believer who handles this rightly)
5.vs 38-39~~The challenge of eternal security.(the believer will not execute the challenges of the Christian way of life without this truth.)

Sorry to bring eternal security into this, it is just hard not to. Its why these forums constantly have some type of eternal security thread. After salvation, eternal security is of the utmost importance. We will NOT live the Christian way of life with out this truth.look at the challenges Paul gives us above.

without eternal security......

1. we will be detractors of Grace.
2. we will be unsure of lesser blessings because we are unsure of His great blessing(His righteousness)
3. we will judge other brothers.
4. we will die in fear, rather than grace.
5. we will live under conditions rather than security.

I agree with most of what you're saying. I have a minor question about one thing you said though. Do you believe you have eternal security?

Ha, sorry. That's not the question. That's the set up, since I'm assuming you believe you do. Here's the real question...

Has that ever stopped you from judging the bros?

It hasn't stopped me either.

 

[atwhatcost]

Of course Jesus was not wrong, but my being murdered by a mob will not bring forth eternal life for people who hear of me.

Um, it worked for Paul, Peter, and quite a few other apostles. Are you sure it won't work for you?

Not saying the goal is to be murdered by a mob, but the Ten Boom family hid Jews in their home during the Holocaust knowing what the cost could be. They were caught and sent to the camps. Mom, Dad, and sister died. Only Corrie survived, and didn't survive unscathed. Later on, she came face to face with the man who killed her family and the Jews hiding in their house. He had since been saved. She needed mega-doses of love from God to love that man. Her testimony has saved many.

I truly doubt any of us will have to physically die for God, but don't dismiss that as something God would never do. He's already proved he will, even to his people. He will bring his own kids to death to save other kids. The one thing we have going for us is to know that death isn't in vain and brings us face to face with our true goal -- God in all his glory, righteousness, and love.

 

[Gr8grace]

I agree with most of what you're saying. I have a minor question about one thing you said though. Do you believe you have eternal security?

Ha, sorry. That's not the question. That's the set up, since I'm assuming you believe you do. Here's the real question...

Has that ever stopped you from judging the bros?

It hasn't stopped me either.

I am with you. I know I have Judged my brothers.

I believe that is why they are challenges, we need growth in Grace and knowledge to fulfill those challenges. With eternal security, there comes peace and a personal sense of destiny.I don't view eternal security as ," I know I can't lose salvation.PERIOD." Eternal security is getting to know the Father, His righteousness,His Justice, His promises,His Grace Gifts to the believer,His Love,His Mercy,His immutability,His Knowing.........I am under his care and He won't lose me.

Without eternal security, I could never stop judging............I would always need a "measuring stick" to make my conditions "good enough" for my salvation.

So I believe all these challenges require growth and study to achieve them. We won't just master them overnight.

 

[atwhatcost]

I am with you. I know I have Judged my brothers.

I believe that is why they are challenges, we need growth in Grace and knowledge to fulfill those challenges. With eternal security, there comes peace and a personal sense of destiny.I don't view eternal security as ," I know I can't lose salvation.PERIOD." Eternal security is getting to know the Father, His righteousness,His Justice, His promises,His Grace Gifts to the believer,His Love,His Mercy,His immutability,His Knowing.........I am under his care and He won't lose me.

Without eternal security, I could never stop judging............I would always need a "measuring stick" to make my conditions "good enough" for my salvation.

So I believe all these challenges require growth and study to achieve them. We won't just master them overnight.

Ack! Destiny. An unknown force doing nilly-willy on nature. I don't like that word.

 

[shotgunner]

I really know what "take up our cross means". Most of you know that I have some serious struggles now to live 24/7 with the problems my husband is going through. To take up my cross means that I must humbly accept this time as an appointed season in my life. I surrender and not whimper. I must "give thanks for everything" as it comes. As it even worsens.

I must take up the cross, and not fight with it, or try to throw it down in anger. I must die to what my self desires (to run from it). I must die to complaining. It is the slaughter of my own nature and the beginnings of developing the fruits of His - endurance, patience, long suffering, and peace in the midst of turmoil. It is the slaughter of my own flesh and being conformed to His image.

At least for me. For someone else it might be really being persecuted for teaching the Word. To everyone the cross is different. But it must be "taken up".

The cross is a symbol of death and dying to self, putting God's desires above our own. That however does not mean that we are to just take whatever comes lying down. If it comes to steal, kill or destroy, it comes from the devil and we are to resist the devil. Deception is Satan's best weapon and he loves to pretend to be God.

 

[notuptome]

Ps 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

We are more than overcomers through Christ. We die but we inherit eternal life. Our enemies die and they inherit eternal condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[oldthennew]

ROM. 8:36.
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

 

[Gr8grace]

Ack! Destiny. An unknown force doing nilly-willy on nature. I don't like that word.

Just put me on ignore. Please. I won't respond to anymore of your posts.

 

[crossnote]

Okay . . I went back and read the full chapter of Romans 8 and this is what I came away with:
We have been given the Spirit of adoption
We ARE the sons of God
We are heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ
And the sufferings (whatever they may be) of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory -
Wherein we will be delivered from the bondage of corruption (inherited from Adam)
The redemption of our body - our hope.
The Spirit of Christ makes intercession on our behalf
All things work together for good to them that love God
We are to be conformed to the image of His Son [which we will be (1 John 3:2) when he returns - when we will be delivered from the bondage of corruption - the redemption of our bodies, our hope - UNTIL then, the Spirit of Christ intercedes on our behalf (full circle)]
What shall we say to these things? (all the above)
We can say - If God be for us who can be against us.
God that spared not his own Son? How shall He not through him FREELY give us all things?
Who shall lay anything against God's elect? NOT God - for he justifies
Who shall condemn? NOT Christ - for he intercedes on our behalf
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? v. 38,39

NOW we have this verse: As it is written For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Are you kidding me? After saying all that we have in and through Christ - we have this statement. At first it made me think that this verse was said facetiously - not to be taken seriously or literally but I lean more to believing the figure of speech - irony (saying the opposite of what you mean in order to emphasize it) is used to emphasize the fact the next statement - NAY - NO, NO, NO in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. It emphasizes who and what we are in and through our Lord Jesus Christ.

At least that's the way I see it . . . for what it's worth.

I too took a second look and this is what I found. "We are killed, or being killed all day long like a sheep for slaughter"
How long does it actually take to kill a sheep? All day long? No, but our lives are being put to death (i,e. more of Him, less of me) daily, AS one to slaughter (a simile)...describing our daily dying. It doesn't necessarily mean we are going to slaughter (though some of us may).

 

[Is]

Interesting responses. I'll just try to watch this thread 'passively' interjecting a question here and there like a good sheep

I haven't heard much on the 'killed all the day long' part or 'led to the slaughter'. Rather not think about it?...

Romans 8:36 (KJV) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Read Psalm 44:22

 

[crossnote]

ROM. 8:36.
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Well. I'm not the only one who repeats something