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Galahad

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Jonnah said:
I'm not offended by you in the least brother. :) But your examples to me earlier were flawed. You then proceed to say that you don't care what an expert has to say in the matter, elevating your level of understanding to his level, which I don't see. I simply pointed you to an expert in the field to help in the subject being discussed. And don't worry about what tone you use, see the only one we have to answer to for idle words or the intentions of our heart is God and God alone. I have no right to feel offended. So there is no offense being taken here brother :)
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Jonah, Jonnah, okay. You pointed to an expert. If the expert were in math or biology or physics, I would be more prone to check the link and listen.
Languages and grammar are not just so circumscribed nor bound up in laws and rules and operations as is math and biology and physics.

See, the issue of the OP is not necessarily Yeshua or Jesus. The issue is what word do people recognize or understand when I talk or communicate with them. Jesus is the more recognized name here in this English forum. That's the concern of the OP. It is a legitimate concern.

Thank you
 
Jonnah

Jonnah

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Galahad said:
Jonah, Jonnah, okay. You pointed to an expert. If the expert were in math or biology or physics, I would be more prone to check the link and listen.
Languages and grammar are not just so circumscribed nor bound up in laws and rules and operations as is math and biology and physics.

See, the issue of the OP is not necessarily Yeshua or Jesus. The issue is what word do people recognize or understand when I talk or communicate with them. Jesus is the more recognized name here in the USA. That's the concern of the OP. It is a legitimate concern.

Thank you
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So language has no rules? And you make statements that I try to aid by pointing us both to some one who is an expert in the matter...but you admit to refusing to read the information and instead decide that you will hold on to your point of view...flawed as it may be? The only reason I even addressed you with the link is because you first made a comment on something I stated. It wasn't meant to be a debate. By your reasoning, we should never accept expert advice or consult some one with better understanding on a subject and just decide that we know best with our limited information. Well then let's just throw out all the text books in our colleges :)

Now if you have read anything I wrote on this thread you would see that I agree that Jesus is the more recognized form of the name in Western society, which is why I communicate with people by the name Jesus. Furthermore I made a point that translation or transliteration is not the heart of the matter, the person of Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah is.

Bless you brother.
 
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psalm6819

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VioletReigns said:
I call the Lord many different names... He calls us by many different names (Bride, daughter, son, sheep, child, friend, etc.), too. I have a variety of nicknames for my kids & grandkids, as they do for me (Mother, Mom, Ma, Maw, Mama, Mommy, Mami, Grandmommy, Grandmom, etc.).

For me, it just comes natural to address God by what I feel for Him in my heart. ♥

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There she is again, peacemaker, humor distracts and diffuses, blessed indeed and in deed
 
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Galahad

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JesusistheChrist said:
Jawbreakers are rightly named and well done meat can taste like a baseball mitt. How do I know what a baseball mitt tastes like? I'm not telling! lol.
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Probably because you played catcher without a face mask. Or you spoke with a smart mouth (bad attitude, as I did once in awhile) to your mom, in that case she probably said, "Just wait till your father gets home!" A two agonizing hours later he's home and in he walks. Hears the news. Sees the mitt on the coffee table. Sees you with a smirk. Kapow! Mitt in mouth. Not.
 
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Galahad

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Jonnah said:
So language has no rules? And you make statements that I try to aid by pointing us both to some one who is an expert in the matter...but you admit to refusing to read the information and instead decide that you will hold on to your point of view...flawed as it may be? The only reason I even addressed you with the link is because you first made a comment on something I stated. It wasn't meant to be a debate. By your reasoning, we should never accept expert advice or consult some one with better understanding on a subject and just decide that we know best with our limited information. Well then let's just throw out all the text books in our colleges :)

Now if you have read anything I wrote on this thread you would see that I agree that Jesus is the more recognized form of the name in Western society, which is why I communicate with people by the name Jesus. Furthermore I made a point that translation or transliteration is not the heart of the matter, the person of Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah is.

Bless you brother.
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Never said there were no rules. If I said something that comes close that, I did not mean to intend to say there were NO rules.
Okay.
Please show me where you showed my reasoning or conclusion was flawed. I gave you an example. You never addressed. You just offered a link.
 
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Galahad

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Galahad said:
Never said there were no rules. If I said something that comes close that, I did not mean to intend to say there were NO rules.
Okay.
Please show me where you showed my reasoning or conclusion was flawed. I gave you an example. You never addressed. You just offered a link.
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This is what I wrote: "Languages and grammar are not just so circumscribed nor bound up in laws and rules and operations as is math and biology and physics."

See the word "as".
 
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Jesus is a transliteration from the Latin Iesu. Jesu is a transliteration from the Hebrew, Yeshua. So, what is the problem? If you want to use English only, you must use His name in English which would be Salvation, or the Salvation of Yah(God).

Let us allow each other to honor Yeshua, Jesus, Iesu, or Salvation as one feels is most appropriate in the sight of God, Yahweh.

This English only attitude is fine in a specific congregation, but this forum is world wide, and we are one family regardless of language. Remember God is not wrapped in the flag of any nation, and anyne who believes He is does not have a clue as to the meaning of the Nation of God.........
 
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tanach

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Just to confuse things a bit more. Joshua is the English version of Jesus. Joshua would be Yeshua in Hebrew. In the English version of he Greek OT Joshua is translated Jesus. Another example in that version is the name of the writer of Ecclesiasticus or Sirach which is Jesus Ben Sirach. But when it comes down to it who gives a hoot?
 
Jonnah

Jonnah

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Galahad said:
Never said there were no rules. If I said something that comes close that, I did not mean to intend to say there were NO rules.
Okay.
Please show me where you showed my reasoning or conclusion was flawed. I gave you an example. You never addressed. You just offered a link.
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I addressed your entire premise and tried to explain that a very basic understanding of language would educate you in understanding the different mechanics of English vs Semitic language. No I can't understand why pointing you to an expert is such an issue for you? Does the fact that it's a link make the information any less relevant? Or do you simply refuse to learn anything that might be contradicting to your preconceived notion? Please explain why you will not read an expert's explanation on this subject.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Jonnah said:
So language has no rules? And you make statements that I try to aid by pointing us both to some one who is an expert in the matter...but you admit to refusing to read the information and instead decide that you will hold on to your point of view...flawed as it may be? The only reason I even addressed you with the link is because you first made a comment on something I stated. It wasn't meant to be a debate. By your reasoning, we should never accept expert advice or consult some one with better understanding on a subject and just decide that we know best with our limited information. Well then let's just throw out all the text books in our colleges :)

Now if you have read anything I wrote on this thread you would see that I agree that Jesus is the more recognized form of the name in Western society, which is why I communicate with people by the name Jesus. Furthermore I made a point that translation or transliteration is not the heart of the matter, the person of Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah is.

Bless you brother.
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If you ask me why people get so upset when somebody says Yeshua instead of Jesus, then I'd say that it sometimes, at least, has to do with their own arrogance or cultural bigotry. I use the name Jesus regularly, but if I was witnessing to a Jew, then I'd more than likely refer to Him as Yeshua.

I had a Facebook account for a short while and this conversation reminds me of something that transpired there. An old classmate of mine went on a vicious rant one day because the first two employees whom she questioned about something at a local Walmart only spoke Spanish. She went on and on about how everybody in America ought to be required to speak English and not a foreign language and a whole bunch of other people joined her in her crusade. When I politely reminded them all that English was imported here from England, they turned into a torch carrying mob who wanted to lynch me. Same mentality, different soapbox.
 
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atwhatcost

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Willie-T said:
How do you interpret "bent out of shape" from what I posted?
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Assumption? (I assumed wrong... again? :eek:)

Assumed you thought "we all" grew up with English.
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I'm not. I simply made a simple statement that indicates I would prefer it if everyone just used the language we all grew up using.
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atwhatcost

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KohenMatt said:
Even within the Hebrew Roots/Messianic movement there is a lot debate and division on how to spell and say the names.
Yeshua
Y'shua
Yahoshu
Yahweh
YHWH
The Name

Again I'll say to all parties involved. Stop arguing about how to say the name. The letters are not the issue. The person they describe is.

Signed,
Matt
Mateo
Matiyahu
Mathias
Mat

(They all refer to me.)
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I can pronounce Jesus, Matt, Mathias, and Mat. Can't pronounce any of the others, so works for me. lol
 
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Galahad

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Jonnah said:
I addressed your entire premise and tried to explain that a very basic understanding of language would educate you in understanding the different mechanics of English vs Semitic language. No I can't understand why pointing you to an expert is such an issue for you? Does the fact that it's a link make the information any less relevant? Or do you simply refuse to learn anything that might be contradicting to your preconceived notion? Please explain why you will not read an expert's explanation on this subject.
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You did not. Now you're way out of bounds. You did not. Paste it. You are distorting the facts. You want to put out your "holier than thou" attitude, then you make a sucker punch. It ain't going to stand. You posted a link. You said you couldn't explain it. So you posted a link. You hadn't begun to explain it. You bailed out as soon as you read my rebuttal to your "function of Hebrew, English is abstract." Those are not explanations and they are relative, but you supplied no referent.

Your holier than thou attitude came out right from the get go. It did.

Then you land this sucker punch. You'd better have some facts, or I'm done with you. And that for my own good.

Brother!
 
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Galahad

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Where's that Jason guy. The one dccontroversial always tackled. Had me in stiches. I'd like to see him back here. Hilarious. DC knew how to respond to him. dccontroversial, can you pull any strings and get that Jason guy back here?

I might take Jason's place. Just angst a bit. NOT. IT'S A JOKE.

I won't. But I want to.

Can I?
 
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Galahad

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Galahad said:
Where's that Jason guy. The one dccontroversial always tackled. Had me in stiches. I'd like to see him back here. Hilarious. DC knew how to respond to him. dccontroversial, can you pull any strings and get that Jason guy back here?

I might take Jason's place. Just angst a bit. NOT. IT'S A JOKE.

I won't. But I want to.

Can I?
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Meant dccontroversal. Even his name is controversial!
 
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atwhatcost

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Willie-T said:
Have you ever told an unbeliever, "Our Dad created the universe?" Probably not. Because they would be confused by you throwing something like that in the works.

That is simply my point. We have no business possibly confusing people by using a name we happen to like that they might not understand at all.
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I'm not even sure I ever went with "God created the universe." All the nonbelievers I know already know what I believe about that. Some of the nonbelievers I know are also family members. They know he's called "Father." I do use "my other Dad" around my family. Honestly? After 40+ years of this, I don't remember if I shocked them in the beginning. I can picture rolling eyes, so I did get that. (Younger faces in my mind, so I remember about how old we were then.) Now I don't get that even. lol
 
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