The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.
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What needs to be done is knowing that only Jesus has a perfect view of His bride the church and although on the outside what WE see of each other looks very messed up and imperfect, looks kind of worn and unlovely and man, those chin hairs and rough skin and abrasive tone of voice!! how can Jesus find her beautiful? ewwww., Yet....Jesus loves her and died for her. Our goal should be to see as Jesus sees and to "love one another as I have loved you" no matter how unattractive she looks.
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We all need to take pauls example.
To the jew he was a jew, to the gentile he was a gentile
He did not sin, He within the framework of Godly living, did what needed to be done so as not to offend,
He did not force a gentile to obey mosaic law. He did not break mosaic law around a jew. He acted as them, to serve them
WHat divides is when we want to force everyone to be as we are.
To the jew he was a jew, to the gentile he was a gentile
He did not sin, He within the framework of Godly living, did what needed to be done so as not to offend,
He did not force a gentile to obey mosaic law. He did not break mosaic law around a jew. He acted as them, to serve them
WHat divides is when we want to force everyone to be as we are.
Here at CC we can hash out doctrines at our leisure, 24/7, yet are probably more divided in doctrine than any town of churches I know of. When we see unity kick in here, maybe we can expect it among the many church denominations. Then. how long might our unity of doctrine last? 4 hours? Wishful thinking!
In the real world of face to face worshipers, hand to hand in physical assembly, here's some simple facts.
We have far more Christian members of churches than could be put in one sanctuary, they say. Due to a very low availability of funds, hardly anyone tithing, no pastor able to budget anything significant, the new arena won't let any church rent it for a service unless paid up front. There's a fund set up for a meeting of all interested Christians near Christmas to come together to pray and discuss how we ought to minister to this city's dire spiritual and social needs. So for now the acceptable solution is for each church to remain as they are, attempting to fill their own pews on a regular basis.
It's obvious that had there been a church facility built to accommodate all of us as one body, that big "super church" building would be in default today.
Another church denomination entity has arisen here. An AOG church was split over the music and dress code of singers whose entertainment specials were beginning to resemble MTV productions. The music and voice talent is amazing, the young folks jumping and dancing for hours sometimes, the lyrics unknown to most elders. That's a bit tiring for us elders. Most can't stand so long, and certainly can't be doing calisthenics that long. It's all designed to appeal to young people, with the women singers wearing see through lace-like clothing, lots of leg showing, bare backs, kicking high.
The older half of the church, and some of the young adults, was told that's the way it has to be, so they finally left. They are no longer AOG, but something _Assembly_. I'm still trying to figure it out, will probably have to call some of them, though it isn't any of my business. Those that left favor straight Bible preaching and teaching and songs based on scriptures, modest attire, and an air of proper fear of God. Most are rejecting the modern Grace Only teaching there. Sinners love hearing they are saved no matter what they do while believing in Jesus. Again, this was once a typical AOG.
Both are full of some of the "salt of the earth" Christians I know well. Maybe both are doing the right thing for different people groups. But now the one is two mostly over worship style.
The Internet will teach you the Church is divided over doctrine. What I've found is mostly differences in how a worship service should be conducted. The doctrinal statements of all so far are identical, maybe a copy/paste thing. Many members couldn't come here explaining their take on doctrine, but they tend to know somehow false teaching is false, just doesn't sound right.
In the case above the issue was not "the Church" dividing, but one church running off worshipers who can't go along with dramatic changes and dubious messages. Their base denomination headquarters didn't help them. Now the erring church is in trouble financially, the tithers gone, filled with mostly unemployed college graduates and younger, plus some that are older but clueless.
That's just one reason about 7,000 churches close up permanently every year in America. Most of those former members have no idea how to regroup, so remain without assembly, most local churches too small to take in one more family.
In the real world of face to face worshipers, hand to hand in physical assembly, here's some simple facts.
We have far more Christian members of churches than could be put in one sanctuary, they say. Due to a very low availability of funds, hardly anyone tithing, no pastor able to budget anything significant, the new arena won't let any church rent it for a service unless paid up front. There's a fund set up for a meeting of all interested Christians near Christmas to come together to pray and discuss how we ought to minister to this city's dire spiritual and social needs. So for now the acceptable solution is for each church to remain as they are, attempting to fill their own pews on a regular basis.
It's obvious that had there been a church facility built to accommodate all of us as one body, that big "super church" building would be in default today.
Another church denomination entity has arisen here. An AOG church was split over the music and dress code of singers whose entertainment specials were beginning to resemble MTV productions. The music and voice talent is amazing, the young folks jumping and dancing for hours sometimes, the lyrics unknown to most elders. That's a bit tiring for us elders. Most can't stand so long, and certainly can't be doing calisthenics that long. It's all designed to appeal to young people, with the women singers wearing see through lace-like clothing, lots of leg showing, bare backs, kicking high.
The older half of the church, and some of the young adults, was told that's the way it has to be, so they finally left. They are no longer AOG, but something _Assembly_. I'm still trying to figure it out, will probably have to call some of them, though it isn't any of my business. Those that left favor straight Bible preaching and teaching and songs based on scriptures, modest attire, and an air of proper fear of God. Most are rejecting the modern Grace Only teaching there. Sinners love hearing they are saved no matter what they do while believing in Jesus. Again, this was once a typical AOG.
Both are full of some of the "salt of the earth" Christians I know well. Maybe both are doing the right thing for different people groups. But now the one is two mostly over worship style.
The Internet will teach you the Church is divided over doctrine. What I've found is mostly differences in how a worship service should be conducted. The doctrinal statements of all so far are identical, maybe a copy/paste thing. Many members couldn't come here explaining their take on doctrine, but they tend to know somehow false teaching is false, just doesn't sound right.
In the case above the issue was not "the Church" dividing, but one church running off worshipers who can't go along with dramatic changes and dubious messages. Their base denomination headquarters didn't help them. Now the erring church is in trouble financially, the tithers gone, filled with mostly unemployed college graduates and younger, plus some that are older but clueless.
That's just one reason about 7,000 churches close up permanently every year in America. Most of those former members have no idea how to regroup, so remain without assembly, most local churches too small to take in one more family.
God is not a respecter of persons.
A pre-med student dissected many specimens as part of his studies in anatomy.
He said,
”One thing I realized is that we dissect dead things. The Word of God is alive and active. The Holy Spirit is alive. We cannot dissect them. Instead of trying so hard to dissect and analyze, we should simply come in childlike faith and receive. We should relax and let the Lord impart His Spirit and His Anointing to us. We should allow Him to fill us and permeate us with the breath of His Presence. Then, as we learn to walk in the anointing, we will find ourselves clothed with power from on high, and the Spirit Himself will lead us into deeper understanding of the "details". Dissection attempts to understand from the outside in. The anointing gives us understanding from the inside out.”
Rightly = orthos in a straight manner, correctly and morally.
Dividing = orthotomeo to make a straight cut, figuratively to dissect and rightly divide.
Rightly dividing = Straight correct discernment to find deeper truthful meanings thereby.
Does dividing God's word into categories cause unity or division?
Does attributing collectively to the whole counsel of God actually cause division?
Are God's words divided against some other words He gave to us?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
Through the grace of Jesus Christ, are only some scriptures important now to abide in truth and learn more of the truth?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16
Is saying we live by the whole counsel of God actually trying to put the church or it's members "under the law?" Why do people who categorize scripture in this way always use that "under the law" phrase when it's not even mentioned.
I never mentioned the law in the OP. Your post is the first mention of the law which I think is divisive in this case. Of course in CC the anti-legalist people usually bring that up first and the division is manifested by wrongly dividing. This is a thread on divisions in the church. Seems to me that the phrase "rightly dividing" is used often in order to wrongly divide.
A pre-med student dissected many specimens as part of his studies in anatomy.
He said,
”One thing I realized is that we dissect dead things. The Word of God is alive and active. The Holy Spirit is alive. We cannot dissect them. Instead of trying so hard to dissect and analyze, we should simply come in childlike faith and receive. We should relax and let the Lord impart His Spirit and His Anointing to us. We should allow Him to fill us and permeate us with the breath of His Presence. Then, as we learn to walk in the anointing, we will find ourselves clothed with power from on high, and the Spirit Himself will lead us into deeper understanding of the "details". Dissection attempts to understand from the outside in. The anointing gives us understanding from the inside out.”
Rightly = orthos in a straight manner, correctly and morally.
Dividing = orthotomeo to make a straight cut, figuratively to dissect and rightly divide.
Rightly dividing = Straight correct discernment to find deeper truthful meanings thereby.
Does dividing God's word into categories cause unity or division?
Does attributing collectively to the whole counsel of God actually cause division?
Are God's words divided against some other words He gave to us?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
Through the grace of Jesus Christ, are only some scriptures important now to abide in truth and learn more of the truth?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16
Is saying we live by the whole counsel of God actually trying to put the church or it's members "under the law?" Why do people who categorize scripture in this way always use that "under the law" phrase when it's not even mentioned.
I never mentioned the law in the OP. Your post is the first mention of the law which I think is divisive in this case. Of course in CC the anti-legalist people usually bring that up first and the division is manifested by wrongly dividing. This is a thread on divisions in the church. Seems to me that the phrase "rightly dividing" is used often in order to wrongly divide.
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That is what causes division.
We live out of every word.
But Because we do not think we are indebted to continue doing works of the law (not that they do not have a place they do, but a place where Jesus says) then we are wrong. and causing division
You cause division when you state your way of rightly dividing is right, and someone else way is wrong..
again, the cat calling the kettle black.
There are some issues probably less than a percent of Americans are aware of.
One is how just another culture can sound like something from Mars, like people from India that have a Hindu background. Because of their former understanding of things, one of the strangest things they face is the Bible speaking og sacrificing animals. They won't kill a cow, yet the Jews did it often and God approved that! To them biblical Judaism is abominable, and the early Church doesn't make sense, that God died. To them, then, all of us are divided from truth.
So came along our internet friend from India to stay with us a week, trying to find support for his little church of 25 devoted believers in Hyderabad, India, whose take on Christianity seemed on some points too bizarre at first. But we held our peace, let him instruct us as to how Hindus see life, how big a challenge it is to get past the Bible offenses to their culture and religions. Once that's explained in their terms, they welcome Jesus. We also got a big lesson on how they eat, a big challenge to overcome. It took a week to get a small understanding, and another visit we hosted a year later to realize there are reasons why various churches do things differently, yet love the same God, obeying him according to how they comprehend that.
Well, Dr. Satish Kumar hasn't been back since those days, now pastor of 100,000 Christians at Calvary Temple in Hyderabad, now the biggest Christian church in India. His hands are very full of blessings. That didn't happen with false doctrine, though they certainly don't do it like we do in America. TBN and Daystar had him in the USA to ive his testimony a few days ago, so all is well there. Dr. Satish Kumar - Daystar Television Guest Guide
That and many other lessons from others have taught us here to be patient concerning an apparent dangerous division in the Church. Yes, there are more and more false churches rising up. TV is often bringing some into our living rooms. The smart thing to do is evaluate their actual doctrine, whether it is true or false, knowing there will be some differences not set in stone on scriptures. If we can't get a big helping of their beliefs to study them out, preferably in person, then we're far better off holding off judgment based on what the TV shows.
The Lord sent us a man of God from the other side of earth to teach us to listen. Agree over the doctrine of Christ whenever possible, then just avoid any who preach another gospel. People who have done that had to go start new churches, often prohibited from keeping the name of their former denominations, unable to find another congregation with a similar vision, so new ones are created, not to divide, but to re-assemble believers who will walk out on false doctrine and worldliness.
One is how just another culture can sound like something from Mars, like people from India that have a Hindu background. Because of their former understanding of things, one of the strangest things they face is the Bible speaking og sacrificing animals. They won't kill a cow, yet the Jews did it often and God approved that! To them biblical Judaism is abominable, and the early Church doesn't make sense, that God died. To them, then, all of us are divided from truth.
So came along our internet friend from India to stay with us a week, trying to find support for his little church of 25 devoted believers in Hyderabad, India, whose take on Christianity seemed on some points too bizarre at first. But we held our peace, let him instruct us as to how Hindus see life, how big a challenge it is to get past the Bible offenses to their culture and religions. Once that's explained in their terms, they welcome Jesus. We also got a big lesson on how they eat, a big challenge to overcome. It took a week to get a small understanding, and another visit we hosted a year later to realize there are reasons why various churches do things differently, yet love the same God, obeying him according to how they comprehend that.
Well, Dr. Satish Kumar hasn't been back since those days, now pastor of 100,000 Christians at Calvary Temple in Hyderabad, now the biggest Christian church in India. His hands are very full of blessings. That didn't happen with false doctrine, though they certainly don't do it like we do in America. TBN and Daystar had him in the USA to ive his testimony a few days ago, so all is well there. Dr. Satish Kumar - Daystar Television Guest Guide
That and many other lessons from others have taught us here to be patient concerning an apparent dangerous division in the Church. Yes, there are more and more false churches rising up. TV is often bringing some into our living rooms. The smart thing to do is evaluate their actual doctrine, whether it is true or false, knowing there will be some differences not set in stone on scriptures. If we can't get a big helping of their beliefs to study them out, preferably in person, then we're far better off holding off judgment based on what the TV shows.
The Lord sent us a man of God from the other side of earth to teach us to listen. Agree over the doctrine of Christ whenever possible, then just avoid any who preach another gospel. People who have done that had to go start new churches, often prohibited from keeping the name of their former denominations, unable to find another congregation with a similar vision, so new ones are created, not to divide, but to re-assemble believers who will walk out on false doctrine and worldliness.
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Christ church is alive and well and are made up of people from all denominations.
They may be some issues that people don't understand or agree with even within the same church but the point is not total understanding but complete submission to God's will in our lives. the Holy spirit ties true believers together. Sometimes they join together and form a physical church.
They may be some issues that people don't understand or agree with even within the same church but the point is not total understanding but complete submission to God's will in our lives. the Holy spirit ties true believers together. Sometimes they join together and form a physical church.
Paul was chastising the Corinthians because they were preaching gospels according to different men. After Paul's exhortations they were corrected and unity prevailed. We have an example of a division over circumcision and the meeting of the Church in Acts 15 solved that problem as well. The Church then and still is being led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit promised that they Church will never be abandoned, will never be overcome and that unity will prevail. The unity the same as He is with the Father. The Holy Spirit working in and through Christ's Body has preserved both the Church and the gospel entrusted to it, as He promised.
Any other scriptural rationalization would mean that Christ no longer exists, He is no longer the Head of the Church and the Holy Spirit has failed in His mission.
Individual men have always tried to impose their own thinking and interpretation upon the Church but each time the Church has always prevailed and the particular man's teachings were denied and often declared heretical. The Church as per scripture cannot ever be divided because Christ cannot be divided. There has always been a unified Church, it has always had one Lord, One Spirit, One baptism.
Man has left the church to set up his own form of religions all through history. The largest schisms that were never, as yet, resolved was the Oriental Churches after the Council of Chalcedon and then the Roman Catholic Church was established after 1054 from the former bishopric of Rome.
Unfortunately, Protestants separated from a Church that had already been separated from the True Church that Christ established. Since the time of the Reformation, men have divided themselves into differing camps by the hundreds if not thousands within the Protestant milieu.
Yet the Church of Christ, established at Pentecost has always existed, and will continue until He comes again.
Any other scriptural rationalization would mean that Christ no longer exists, He is no longer the Head of the Church and the Holy Spirit has failed in His mission.
Individual men have always tried to impose their own thinking and interpretation upon the Church but each time the Church has always prevailed and the particular man's teachings were denied and often declared heretical. The Church as per scripture cannot ever be divided because Christ cannot be divided. There has always been a unified Church, it has always had one Lord, One Spirit, One baptism.
Man has left the church to set up his own form of religions all through history. The largest schisms that were never, as yet, resolved was the Oriental Churches after the Council of Chalcedon and then the Roman Catholic Church was established after 1054 from the former bishopric of Rome.
Unfortunately, Protestants separated from a Church that had already been separated from the True Church that Christ established. Since the time of the Reformation, men have divided themselves into differing camps by the hundreds if not thousands within the Protestant milieu.
Yet the Church of Christ, established at Pentecost has always existed, and will continue until He comes again.
How is THE doctrine of faith in Jesus Christ - His death and resurrection misunderstood? Where is there room to misunderstand those simple truths?
Not walking in doctrinal truth is not part of the Body of Christ? . . . So our salvation - our being born again - adopted into the family of God is dependent upon our WALK or is it dependent upon our confession of faith? Yes, they should go hand in hand but that isn't how it starts off and may be a lifetime before it lines up . . . does that negate the fact that one is in the household of God? Once we are born again we are part of the body whether we be the weakest link or the strongest link - no one is to think more highly of themselves.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head (who is the head?) to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body which seem (to the five senses) to be more feeble, are necessary . . . That there should be no schism in the body; but the members should have the same care one for another . . .
Not walking in doctrinal truth is not part of the Body of Christ? . . . So our salvation - our being born again - adopted into the family of God is dependent upon our WALK or is it dependent upon our confession of faith? Yes, they should go hand in hand but that isn't how it starts off and may be a lifetime before it lines up . . . does that negate the fact that one is in the household of God? Once we are born again we are part of the body whether we be the weakest link or the strongest link - no one is to think more highly of themselves.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head (who is the head?) to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body which seem (to the five senses) to be more feeble, are necessary . . . That there should be no schism in the body; but the members should have the same care one for another . . .
What was different in what I said here: Rightly dividing the word of God is a "right-cutting" or "straight cutting".
Understanding the different administrations within the structure of scripture would cause unity . . . that is if EVERYONE understood the different administrations. The garden of Eden had ONE command . . . be sort of silly to say that I had to live by that admonition. The Jews received righteousness through obeying ALL the law (Deut. 6:25) . . . Gentiles which didn't have the law, did by nature those things contained the law . . . but for the church, righteousness comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
You tell me does living by EVERY word cause division? Some say that is okay to have more than one wife because hey it was done in the OT - Abraham, David and most all the kings had wives and concubines. Some say you cannot eat meat on Friday, some say you cannot eat pork, some say we MUST tithe . . etc. And let me say that I am not pointing out "law" I am pointing out the different principles that the OT people had to abide by that are NOT carried over into the NT.
Yes, all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable - It is profitable that I let the "word be a lamp unto my feet", etc. All scripture is profitable for MY learning that I see and gain patience by what the OT believers endured.
Yes, I used and mentioned the law just as an example - I believe ALL OT precepts are profitable for our learning . . .
Seems to me the phrase "rightly dividing" is often used in order to wrongly divide . . . you are correct.
how can we be unite when there is a
god that ``was a liar before the old time``
John: 8. 44. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
thats the reason why we always give thanks to
our lord god the father whos is good and doesnt lie.
we hope this verse will be enough
to prove our claimeds about
what the false doctrine telling to a
christian like most of you here.
thank you very much.
god that ``was a liar before the old time``
John: 8. 44. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.
thats the reason why we always give thanks to
our lord god the father whos is good and doesnt lie.
we hope this verse will be enough
to prove our claimeds about
what the false doctrine telling to a
christian like most of you here.
thank you very much.
L
You hit the nail right on the head.
God doesn't teach his children different things. He's teaches us the same things. There couldn't be any division because we would speak the same things.
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
That's how we hear His voice, we know it's his word when we hear it.
How could we, as a body in Christ, speak different things? The only differences that I could imagine could come into play would be lack of knowledge. And we know what the word says about that...(Thankfully, there are promises tied to this; seek-find etc...)
It really does come down prayerful study, seeking that relationship and the truth in and with Christ, not just basing our ideas on opinions, but real revelation.
I'm convinced that there can't possibly be right-dividing without considering every single word. Nobody gave me that opinion. It's something that is seen and was revealed through prayerful study.
I actually met a guy who told me that when he reads the bible he uses a black marker to blot out the things that don't apply to him. That just shocked me...even the words that he chose to describe how he rightly divides... (Just wow)
God doesn't teach his children different things. He's teaches us the same things. There couldn't be any division because we would speak the same things.
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
That's how we hear His voice, we know it's his word when we hear it.
How could we, as a body in Christ, speak different things? The only differences that I could imagine could come into play would be lack of knowledge. And we know what the word says about that...(Thankfully, there are promises tied to this; seek-find etc...)
It really does come down prayerful study, seeking that relationship and the truth in and with Christ, not just basing our ideas on opinions, but real revelation.
I'm convinced that there can't possibly be right-dividing without considering every single word. Nobody gave me that opinion. It's something that is seen and was revealed through prayerful study.
I actually met a guy who told me that when he reads the bible he uses a black marker to blot out the things that don't apply to him. That just shocked me...even the words that he chose to describe how he rightly divides... (Just wow)
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And your response to me is this? I cannot understand why you would even think of such a thing. LOL Your thoughts to confirm your coming up with this would be greatly appreciated. I thought that I made it clear in the above post that I wasn't insinuating that, but just the opposite. I'm confused and dismayed if I gave that impression to you. Whatever voice was speaking to you wasn't mine.