The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.

[just-me]

Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. Exodus 23:1

Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:16

If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1 Peter 4:14

And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him. Luke 6:7

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 1 Peter 3:16

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:11-12

 

[gb9]

Quote me to prove your allegations as follows.
1. "if a person does not believe the O.T. law still applies to Christ followers today, then they are not saved."
2. "anyone who disagrees with ME, not the Bible but me, I will pluck out Romans 16:17"

If a person denies the Word of God in any detail, I then would say repentance from that attitude is necessary because it is against the ministry of Christ. I'm not insinuating that person isn't saved in this respect, I'm endorsing the words of Jesus when He quoted Deuteronomy to Satan. It's not my words that I believe in, but it might be your words you believe in. Just taking note of fruit.

Jesus said; "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

Moses said, (because he knew the truth) "man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Deuteronomy 8:3

One should pause for a moment. Was Jesus actually quoting Moses?

notice how all this keeps pointing back to the O.T. Jesus said many things, but you pick this one because maybe it fits your agenda. maybe??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

notice how all this keeps pointing back to the O.T. Jesus said many things, but you pick this one because maybe it fits your agenda. maybe??

he reminds me of people I have worked with who will always quote scripture. and make themselves look like the good christian. But everyone sees right through them, and their hypocrisy,

They give God a bad name.

 

[just-me]

notice how all this keeps pointing back to the O.T. Jesus said many things, but you pick this one because maybe it fits your agenda. maybe??

Do you find it a problem that Jesus quoted the OT 3 times to Satan? In your opinion is it wrong that Jesus did that? I conclude that when Jesus quoted these things to Satan he didn't like it.

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Romans 6:17

I would hope that what Jesus quoted to Satan is also a substantial part of your doctrine. Here is some of that doctrine that already has been delivered to you before you ever knew me on CC.

These are not my words, they are Christ's, and He is The Word, not me.

Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. Deuteronomy 6:16 (KJV)
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7 (KJV)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name. Deuteronomy 6:13 (KJV)
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10 (KJV)

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. Psalm 69:9

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do you find it a problem that Jesus quoted the OT 3 times to Satan? In your opinion is it wrong that Jesus did that? I conclude that when Jesus quoted these things to Satan he didn't like it.

The NT didn't exist then. The OT is all Jesus had. The OT describes the shadows. The NT describes the light. Leave the shadows and come to the light.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Remember.…. “God is not the author of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14:33
The last part of this verse is to the true Church, not many organizations of men. God’s Church, made up of many congregations of true Christians/believers/saints, was meant to reflect peace, not confusion as we see today. “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.”

A misunderstanding/misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 12 is the catalyst for the spread of this plague, and it is very serious. This teaching that is “we agree to disagree” and “there are many routes to heaven” and “there are many spokes in the wheel of salvation” mindset. They permeate the air within the realm numerous denominations that differ from others. People sincerely believe these clichés but they completely contradict the truth.

I don't know if I am put on "ignore" or not but I will try to comply. In the context of 1 Cor. 14:33 it is in regard to operating the manifestations of the Spirit.I'm not sure what you are meaning by your second paragraph in regard to "a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of 1 Cor. 12 is the catalyst for the spread of this plague"?

Most of us are familiar with how the Body of Christ in 1 Corinthians 12 is compared with the human body which we obviously are acquainted with. We are taught that this means that the Body of Christ – Jesus’ Church – consists of many denominations, fellowships, assemblies, and communities of believers, all connected by the Holy Spirit working in believers wherever they are. This teaching asserts that Christ and His Body are divided among many different groups or organizations. This is counterfeit, just as money can be counterfeited – clever look-alikes, but not real.

Churches are teaching that the Body of Christ is a disconnected spiritual body, made up of disagreeing people, spread throughout professing Christianity. Not so. God created the human body so He is very well aware of the depth of the analogy He presents in His Word. What happens when a body part – an ear, a hand, or whatever – is severed from the human body? It dies. No body part can live long without the connective tissue and blood supply of the rest of the body.

Paragraph one of Post #7:

1 Cor. 12 is speaking of the body and the many members and how each member is a part of that body and God has placed each member in the body as He sees fit . . . Are you an arm? a leg? an ear? an eye? Doesn't matter, for we are to show the same concern for each member - if one member suffers, every member suffers with him/her - if one member is honored, every part rejoices with him/her - Each member needs each member . . . .

That is the context of 1 Cor. 12 - and the verse concerning schism, "division", is in our care one for another . . .

Consider these scriptures written by Paul to two different congregations.

“And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.” Colossians 1:18

“And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:22-23

"Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Ephesians 4:3-6

There is no way these passages can be confused as meaning anything but the all-encompassing unity required of God’s people. Remember how Christ prayed for this unity in John 17?

John 17 - where is the word unity? That they all may be one; as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me . . . I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. (vs. 23, 25) Is that what you are talking about? That is the new birth! But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Roman 8:9,10)
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make know what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory! (Colossians 1:26,27) AMEN!

It is widely accepted that the Church is a ‘type’ of Christ’s own Body and as its head He builds and governs it. Acts chapter 2 describes the Body as being unified in both love and doctrinal truth. There can be no denying that this passage shows that the entire Church (“whole body” and “every part”) must be walking together in complete doctrinal agreement under Christ’s authority.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” Romans 16:17

A person who does this will eventually feel isolated and alone. If that happens to a true believer, he/she is drawn even closer to the truth. Example: Peter denied Christ three times in one night because of the reaction of his human nature – he didn’t want to be arrested or be an outcast from society around him. Who can blame him for that? But we know the rest of the story – Peter was a true believer and he was immediately sorrowful and repentant for his deed, and drew even closer to the Messiah’s truth.

The church IS Christ's body - and Christ IS the head . . . Now what exactly is doctrine - Jesus Christ. Now what exactly is doctrine - Him crucified. Now what exactly is doctrine - His resurrection. Gospel - the good news concerning Jesus Christ. . . . And we do know the early church had dissension which is the second paragraph of Post #7: I imagine in the early church the body had many dissensions because of the difference in what was being taught and the cultural bearing on idolatry. Just think of the different backgrounds that were coming into the church at this time . . .
I imagine a lot of renewing of the mind had to be practiced among believers but yet there was still dissension - does that make it right - Nope, but I really don't see it getting any better.

Nothing new under the sun.

Compromise is a word that does not describe God but does describe the doctrine of Balaam and the doctrine of the Nicolaitans.

Rejecting even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace is where division begins, because rejecting certain parts of His given word to us is in actuality rejecting of His grace. This rejection is carnal, for the carnal mind is enmity against God.

And I have made my thoughts on this pretty clear previously . . . . Although I don't believe that I "reject even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace" . . .

 

[gb9]

Do you find it a problem that Jesus quoted the OT 3 times to Satan? In your opinion is it wrong that Jesus did that? I conclude that when Jesus quoted these things to Satan he didn't like it.

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Romans 6:17

I would hope that what Jesus quoted to Satan is also a substantial part of your doctrine. Here is some of that doctrine that already has been delivered to you before you ever knew me on CC.

These are not my words, they are Christ's, and He is The Word, not me.

Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. Deuteronomy 6:16 (KJV)
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7 (KJV)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name. Deuteronomy 6:13 (KJV)
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10 (KJV)

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. Psalm 69:9

I do not like to say things like this, but just so you will know, I have read the Bible through 16 or 17 times, kind of lost count over the years. I say that not to brag, but to tell you : I know the Word very well, I do not have as agenda. I believe that we are saved by grace. because this is what the Bible says. I do not believe In just plucking out verses to make points, when the verses MAY NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. context, when was it written, who was it written to. these things matter. which takes us back to rightly dividing the Word of truth.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And I have made my thoughts on this pretty clear previously . . . . Although I don't believe that I "reject even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace" . . . [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

Don't fall for his condemnations. IMO his continual rantings about believing everything the bible says is just a way to give the old testament (law) preeminence over the new testament (grace).

 

[just-me]

I don't know if I am put on "ignore" or not but I will try to comply. In the context of 1 Cor. 14:33 it is in regard to operating the manifestations of the Spirit.I'm not sure what you are meaning by your second paragraph in regard to "a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of 1 Cor. 12 is the catalyst for the spread of this plague"?

Paragraph one of Post #7:

1 Cor. 12 is speaking of the body and the many members and how each member is a part of that body and God has placed each member in the body as He sees fit . . . Are you an arm? a leg? an ear? an eye? Doesn't matter, for we are to show the same concern for each member - if one member suffers, every member suffers with him/her - if one member is honored, every part rejoices with him/her - Each member needs each member . . . .

That is the context of 1 Cor. 12 - and the verse concerning schism, "division", is in our care one for another . . .

I have never considered to ignore you. Your explanation above nailed it right on so far IMO. AMEN! I will address the rest of your post in my next one.

 

[ukok102nak]

we always ask questions
please forgive our ignorance my brothers and sisters.

like this question were about to ask all of you here
( because weve been ask the same question before )
and to all people who will
accidentally or coincidentally read this letters of ours.

the question is
how should we know that jesus christ is the one we must acknowledged
with this words "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." ?

we answer them
with this verse
TS1998
Matthew 13:35
so that what was spoken by the prophet might be filled, saying, “I shall open My mouth in parables, I shall pour forth what has been hidden from the foundation of the world.”
Matthew 24:35
“The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall by no means pass away.
Matthew 24:36
“But concerning that day and the hour no one knows, not even the messengers of the heavens, but My Father only.



Mark 14:38
“Watch and pray, lest you enter into trial. The spirit indeed is eager, but the flesh is weak.”
Mark 13:27
“And then He shall send His messengers, and assemble His chosen ones from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Mark 13:22
“For false messiahs and false prophets shall rise and show signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.




Luke 15:7
“I say to you that in the same way there shall be more joy in the heaven over one sinner repenting, than over ninety-nine righteous ones who need no repentance.
Luke 8:12
“And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, lest having believed, they should be saved.
Luke 12:16
He then spoke a parable to them, saying, “The land of a certain rich man yielded well.

John 3:31
“He who comes from above is over all, he who is from the earth is of the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from the heaven is over all.
John 3:12
“If you do not believe when I spoke to you about earthly matters, how are you going to believe when I speak to you about the heavenly matters?
John 17:5
“And now, esteem Me with Yourself, Father, with the esteem which I had with You before the world was.





John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and pitched His tent among us, and we saw His esteem, esteem as of an only brought-forth of a father, complete in favour and truth.



Revelation of John 19:13
and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood – and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה.

please if anyone would like to add something here
about christ jesus "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."
please do so.

thank you very much

 

[MarcR]

Remember.…. “God is not the author of confusion” 1 Corinthians 14:33
The last part of this verse is to the true Church, not many organizations of men. God’s Church, made up of many congregations of true Christians/believers/saints, was meant to reflect peace, not confusion as we see today. “For God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.”

A misunderstanding/misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 12 is the catalyst for the spread of this plague, and it is very serious. This teaching that is “we agree to disagree” and “there are many routes to heaven” and “there are many spokes in the wheel of salvation” mindset. They permeate the air within the realm numerous denominations that differ from others. People sincerely believe these clichés but they completely contradict the truth.

I basically agree with the general intent and direction of this post; however I have a reservation.

The movement toward political correctness, acceptance of false teaching, and the belief that there are other paths to God than by Jesus are or should be totally unacceptable to the Church!

The doctrinal areas which are not essential to Salvation, and which legitimately lend themselves to diverse interpretations, are , IMO, places where This teaching that is “we agree to disagree” is often quite appropriate.

 

[MarcR]

Has that enhanced unity, and if not what's the problem? I see very little unity in the house of God these days. Now what you said is perfectly true IMO, but all of us observe a clear cut division in the church, so doesn't something need to be more clearly defined?

Salvation by grace through faith ALONE can have NO UNITY with Salvation dependent on works.


Believers' baptism by immersion can have unity with infant baptism by sprinkling in every area except baptism.

 

[just-me]

John 17 - where is the word unity? That they all may be one; as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me . . . I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. (vs. 23, 25) Is that what you are talking about? That is the new birth!

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Roman 8:9,10)
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make know what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory! (Colossians 1:26,27) AMEN!

AMEN! That for sure is one with the Father. With that said, there is one body of Christ being the church, being one with the Father, in and through Christ. The body of Christ is the ONE inseparable true church "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:3

The church IS Christ's body - and Christ IS the head . . . Now what exactly is doctrine - Jesus Christ. Now what exactly is doctrine - Him crucified. Now what exactly is doctrine - His resurrection. Gospel - the good news concerning Jesus Christ. . . . And we do know the early church had dissension which is the second paragraph of Post #7:

I imagine in the early church the body had many dissensions because of the difference in what was being taught and the cultural bearing on idolatry. Just think of the different backgrounds that were coming into the church at this time . . .
I imagine a lot of renewing of the mind had to be practiced among believers but yet there was still dissension - does that make it right - Nope, but I really don't see it getting any better.

Nothing new under the sun.

And I have made my thoughts on this pretty clear previously . . . . Although I don't believe that I "reject even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace" . . .

I don't reject any of God's words in lieu of God's grace either. AMEN to that. All His words are completely united with His grace.

Unity among the saints is the endorsement the apostles made, and I agree. This post is for us to take to heart that a fractured church cannot stand. This post that I started is to exhort with conversation that we shouldn't be apathetic with this or that excuse for division amongst the ranks of the church just because it's always been that way. All believers in Christ Jesus, His death, burial, and resurrection, should try hard to do or achieve unity and peace between us. That is clearly a substantial part of the NT doctrine for this unity was never defined so clearly in the OT IMO.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Mark 3:25

Exhorting one another to keep this unity for Christ's sake, is certainly not causing the church to fracture. False accusers do that. What we have seen on this thread is totally upside down, for how can a person who endorses the cohesiveness in the body of Christ be teaching the church to fight, divide, and fall apart? The rhetorical question I would ask everyone who truly believes in all the spoken words of God, "What made this thread such a mess, and where did it start?" It is our job to notice who causes purposeful division, and take action by "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:3

If only one person begins to realize this necessity and no longer be apathetic to division because it seems to be so common these days, it has been worth all the pain that has been endured for 4 days running.

For Christ's sake, let's stop the fighting! Then we can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, and start eating the meat. There are enough people on CC who can digest the meat. Let's all give it and receive it together without contention, and mark them that cause contention and ignore them. Thats a NT commandment. Let's do it.

Even if we don't agree with one another at the beginning we should all strive to come together in agreement by faith in Jesus Christ as we edify one another in the spirit of peace, humbly accepting what we might never have known before when it is proven to us by the Word of God. If the Spirit is in all of us, then the Spirit talks to all of us through each others conversation. The Holy Spirit is not a false accuser toward those that want this to be done. Just the opposite.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

 

[MarcR]

"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt." Exodus 22:20-21

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 24:22

For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Romans 10:12

Would you agree or disagree that these scriptures completely agree together and the foundational principles of all three have never changed from the time God revealed it?

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 24:22

manner of law = מִשְׁפַּ֤ט = verdict or judgement

The issue here is NOT showing partiality to Israelites over sojurners.

 

[MarcR]

I don't know the exact group, but it's some form of the Hebrew Roots cult.

so you are guessing? you don't have any facts to present?

He is not guessing---- He is sharing limited but correct information.

There are two distinctly different types of congregations which call themselves 'Messianic'.

1) A predominantly Jewish congregation which welcomes and encourages gentile participation:

.......These congregations generally do not practice Torah observance, participate in mainstream
.......churches, observe the appointed times of Lev chapter 23, and use elements of
.......traditional Jewish observance to explain otherwise obscure NT teachings.

2) A predominantly gentile congregation which seeks to put themselves and others selectively under the law:

Of these there two sub groups: One teaches that Torah observance is essential for salvation, while the other teaches that Torah observance is beneficial for Spiritual growth; but, not essential for salvation.

The Hebrew Roots Movement belongs to the first sub group. IMO, only those who teach that Torah observance is essential for salvation are cult.

 

[MarcR]

I don't know the exact group, but it's some form of the Hebrew Roots cult.

Do you find it a problem that Jesus quoted the OT 3 times to Satan? In your opinion is it wrong that Jesus did that? I conclude that when Jesus quoted these things to Satan he didn't like it.

I don't think that anyone on this thread objects to quoting the OT.

The objection, as I understand it, is attempting to put under Law those Jesus has put under grace.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

AMEN! That for sure is one with the Father. With that said, there is one body of Christ being the church, being one with the Father, in and through Christ. The body of Christ is the ONE inseparable true church "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:3 I don't reject any of God's words in lieu of God's grace either. AMEN to that. All His words are completely united with His grace.

Seeing as you have not agreed with me before on my stance that I believe ALL God's word but I do not believe that the OT is applicable to my life as a child of God in the body of Christ living in the administration of grace - I find this agreement - odd, to say the least.

Unity among the saints is the endorsement the apostles made, and I agree. This post is for us to take to heart that a fractured church cannot stand. This post that I started is to exhort with conversation that we shouldn't be apathetic with this or that excuse for division amongst the ranks of the church just because it's always been that way. All believers in Christ Jesus, His death, burial, and resurrection, should try hard to do or achieve unity and peace between us. That is clearly a substantial part of the NT doctrine for this unity was never defined so clearly in the OT IMO.

Now the question would be: Is Ephesians 4:3 talking about unity of doctrine or unity of the body, the individuals within the body? How we are to treat others . . . Without lowliness and meekness, longsuffering, and forbearing one another in love - there can be NO unity. If you notice these are all fruit of the Spirit . . . we love others with these characteristics and we will be unwilling to provoke them, and we ourselves will not be easily provoked or offended by others weaknesses. This is an exhortation to mutual love, unity, and concord with the "how" and "why" to keep them - the means of unity. "The seat of Christian unity is in the heart or spirit: it does not lie in one set of thoughts, nor in one form an mode of worship, but in one heart and one soul. (Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible)

And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Mark 3:25

You have taken this out of context also . . .

Exhorting one another to keep this unity for Christ's sake, is certainly not causing the church to fracture. False accusers do that. What we have seen on this thread is totally upside down, for how can a person who endorses the cohesiveness in the body of Christ be teaching the church to fight, divide, and fall apart? The rhetorical question I would ask everyone who truly believes in all the spoken words of God, "What made this thread such a mess, and where did it start?" It is our job to notice who causes purposeful division, and take action by "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:3

If only one person begins to realize this necessity and no longer be apathetic to division because it seems to be so common these days, it has been worth all the pain that has been endured for 4 days running.

For Christ's sake, let's stop the fighting! Then we can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, and start eating the meat. There are enough people on CC who can digest the meat. Let's all give it and receive it together without contention, and mark them that cause contention and ignore them. Thats a NT commandment. Let's do it.

Even if we don't agree with one another at the beginning we should all strive to come together in agreement by faith in Jesus Christ as we edify one another in the spirit of peace, humbly accepting what we might never have known before when it is proven to us by the Word of God. If the Spirit is in all of us, then the Spirit talks to all of us through each others conversation. The Holy Spirit is not a false accuser toward those that want this to be done. Just the opposite.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1 Corinthians 1:10

Well, let me just say - I believe we can have discussions but I don't believe our objective is to "have someone believe like me" that to me sounds prideful and that is the opposite of "endeavoring to keep the unity" - which seems to be your objective "we should all strive to come together in agreement". Look my husband and I don't agree on everything that we "think or believe" but we are still in unity because of our love for each other . . . I try my best to not be easily offended by things he does that I may not agree with and he shows me the same courtesy.

 

[mystic7]

One the killers of faith is those who comprise the Word and except you to agree. Good post well explained.

 

[just-me]

I don't think that anyone on this thread objects to quoting the OT.

The objection, as I understand it, is attempting to put under Law those Jesus has put under grace.

Until somebody actually says that the grace God through Christ Jesus doesn't save us, and we are saved by obeying the law only, then what's the beef? What's the phobia about having to separate God's word against itself? Jesus said we live by His EVERY word. That means we are not righteous enough to pick out only what we want form His word. It takes the grace of God to accept this fact.

 

[just-us-2]

There would be much more agreement and polite discussion if people would refrain from accusing others of wanting to be "under the law" because it has been explained over and over again that the phrase is not at all what anyone on the forum that I have ever seen is proposing.

The law is for the lawless. 1 Timothy 1:9-11
9 We are aware that Torah is not for a person who is righteous, but for those who are heedless of Torah and rebellious, ungodly and sinful, wicked and worldly, for people who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers,
10 the sexually immoral - both heterosexual and homosexual - slave dealers, liars, perjurers, and anyone who acts contrary to the sound teaching
11 that accords with the Good News of the glorious and blessed God.

We who are believers truly saved by faith are not the lawless. We are the spiritual temple and our reasonable service, our logical "Temple worship" as Romans 12:1 says.

That same old tune is getting REALLY old!