Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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Jesus4ever

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Just remember from here on out it is your choice, if you choose to eat those things or not eat those things it will not make you no lesser of a believer in Christ then any other believer. For food does not commend us to the Lord, or make one an unbeliever rather they eat or not.

Remember though also there is another standard though that goes along with this, and that is if your choice could cause another believer to stumble by second guessing the way they are walking in the faith. We are told to refrain from doing those things in front of them !!!

Yes brother.

[SUP]13[/SUP] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

1 Corinthians 8:13
 
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LOVE4ever! :D Nice one! :)

When I wrote "not to obey/follow the Law", I was referring to the Mosaic Law...

Do you think we shouldn´t follow them (apart the 4th commandment)?
That's correct. We are not to keep the Law.
That law was specifically for the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. Those descendants are the Israelites.
The law was for them. God gave THEM the Law at Sinai. It was a Law that would separate them and show them to be the people of God.

If you are going to follow the Law, you will fail. And you will die in it. Worse, by turning to the Law, you are denying Jesus Christ. All that is in Hebrews.

Even in the Galatians, following the Law is condemned by Paul. That is Christians who would want to follow even the part of circumcision. Must be circumcised to be saved, are wrong.
Paul says if you keep circumcision as necessity for salvation, then you must keep all the Law. And none can do that.
 
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Jesus4ever

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That's correct. We are not to keep the Law.
That law was specifically for the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. Those descendants are the Israelites.
The law was for them. God gave THEM the Law at Sinai. It was a Law that would separate them and show them to be the people of God.

If you are going to follow the Law, you will fail. And you will die in it. Worse, by turning to the Law, you are denying Jesus Christ. All that is in Hebrews.

Even in the Galatians, following the Law is condemned by Paul. That is Christians who would want to follow even the part of circumcision. Must be circumcised to be saved, are wrong.
Paul says if you keep circumcision as necessity for salvation, then you must keep all the Law. And none can do that.

Well, I know the Law does not lead to Salvation, but through the Law comes the knowledge of sin, agreed? Would you agree that Jesus 2 commandments are the summation of the 10 commandments?
 
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Well, I know the Law does not lead to Salvation, but through the Law comes the knowledge of sin, agreed? Would you agree that Jesus 2 commandments are the summation of the 10 commandments?
This is where the Spiritual aspect and understanding the scriptures when speaking about the Law applies.

Because the scriptures actually talk about 2 laws;

A) The Mosaic laws contained in written ordinances that do not apply under the new covenant........

B) The perfect law of liberty (Christ's teachings and commands) and these do apply............

Under the perfect law of liberty we can see throughout the NT that the 10 Commandments will be upheld by believers, and Matthew 22:40 and Romans 13:9-11 shows this.

People have been taught there are no standards that believers are still to uphold in the NT as they are told Christ fulfilled it all. But is that what the scriptures actually say, no, they say by walking in love those things are fulfilled !!!
 
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1 Timothy 4:1-5 (KJV)
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Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


Only four prohibitions shared by keepers of the old covenant law of Moses were carried over to apply to gentile believers.
Acts 15:29 (KJV) That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
 
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It is good you want to do GOD's will and I encourage you to continue to honor the dietary laws because they are not done away with. The scripture you read is not referring to the dietary laws. This scripture references to bringing the Gentiles into the church. Matthew 10:5, state, These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritians enter not: But rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The reason he told them this was because Isreal was supposed to be GOD chosen people to give his word and they were to teach it to all other sons and daughter of Adam. Well they had dropped the ball and needed to be taught themselves first. Since it was Jesus plan for all to be saved, he had to bring the other nations into the church. So this scripture is where the Lord prepare his disciplines to accept the first Gentile into the church. Where most people go wrong, is they don't read the entire chapter. If you will start from verse 1, you will get a better understanding.

Acts 10:1-48
There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, A devout man, and one that feared GOD with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to GOD always. He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of GOD coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, LORD? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before GOD. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter. He lodged with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughest to do. And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continuality; And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

Well, since Jesus had taught his disciplines to go not unto the ways of the gentile, the Jews had nothing to do with other nations. The LORD knew that Peter would not come and teach Cornelius what to do, so he knew he had to prepare Peter and let him know that he had sent Cornelius to him. Otherwise Peter would not have believed him since he told them not to teach them.

The vision Peters had, was GOD way of letting Peter know to go with the men who were coming to get him, because GOD had also granted repentence unto life unto the Gentiles.

If if you will read the whole chapter ten, you will see this, because after people had this dream the spirit abased him to go with them and told him that the three men seeketh him. Acts 10:34-35, Peter states, of a truth I perceive that GOD is no respecter of persons; But in every nation he that feareth him, and workers righteousness, is accepted with him.

At that point he taught Cornelius about Christ. However Peter confirms and say this himself. The word got back to the Apostles and brethren that Peter had kept company with another nation, and they confronted Peter about it. Peter responded in Acts 11:5-18: I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, a certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And I heard a voice saying unto me, arise, Peter; slay and eat. But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. But the voice answered me again from heaven, What GOD hath cleansed, that call not thou common. And this was done three times and all drawn up again into heaven. And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me. And the spirit bade me to go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. And as I speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the LORD, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as GOD gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand GOD. When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified GOD, saying, Then hath GOD also to the Gentiles granted repentence unto life.

I hope this help.....
 
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This verse explains how God is showing Peter that the veil between Jews and Genetiles has been removed.It has noting to do with food regulations

And about food, Paul has said

1cor 10:23

23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

v.25
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles (meat market), that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Romans 14:2-3

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Romans 14:17
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 

DiscipleDave

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Well, I´m a gentile christian too, that used to eat pork, octopus, rabbit and snails (a great snack here, in Portugal :D). However, this matter came to my mind some months ago and, to be honest, since I was not sure what to do (and I´m not sure, still), I simply avoided eating those (specially pork). Better not to do something that I´m not sure if I can in God´s eyes. I know that most christian denominations do not follow dietetic law (I even though that JW did follow it), and I also knew that Seventh Day Adventist Church do follow it, and don´t drink any kind of beverages also.

To be honest...do I think that I lose anything by not eating pork? No, I don´t. It´s not a healthy meat. I´ll keep praying in order to be clarified by the Lord regarding this matter.


God bless you!
i can eat all things. But if a person is convicted or is having doubts, they should NOT eat. You are correct in saying that you do not want to take the Chance because you want to do what is right in the eyes of God. Doubt is NOT of God.
i can eat pizza, because i know that what goes into the mouth is not what defiles a person, i know that i can eat all things, if i Bless it, and give thanks to God for it, and even if it were poisonous it would not hurt me. But if someone is convicted that they should not eat it, then that person to do so it would be indeed a sin to eat it. The Holy Ghost convicts a person what is sinful and what is not sinful. For another person to tell others that eating pizza is a sin, is sinful too. What may be sinful to you, may not be sinful to another. Therefore let nobody tell another what is sinful or what is not sinful. (unless is is clearly taught in the Word of God as being sinful) IN other words you can tell a person who is having sexual relations with others not being married that they are committing the sin of fornication, and are a fornicator. This is not from ones one mind, but is what the Word of God teaches. Now the Word of God (New Testament) does not teach that eating pork is sinful. Jesus does not teach that eating pork is sinful, the Apostles do not teach that eating pork is sinful. But if someone is having doubts, they should NOT eat pork, if someone thinks they need to stop eating pork, they should stop eating pork. If someone thinks they should not eat pork ever, they should not eat pork ever. Let not him/her that does eat pork, convict the one that does not eat pork, and let the one who does not eat pork, convict those who do eat pork. STOP Judging one another, especially on topics so trivial as to the food that one eats or does not eat. It is all vanity.
Christianity is NOT, nor ever will be about DO's And DON'TS, but about LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Pharisees and Saducees were all about the DO's And DON'Ts. You can do this, you can't do that, you can eat rabbits, you can't eat pork. Christianity is NOT about that, it is all about LOVE ONE ANOTHER, that is what is important, NOT what you can eat or not eat.
Those who are still stuck on the DO's And DON'Ts of things, are still on the milk. What is important to God, is not what goes into your mouth, what is important to God is if you are LOVING ONE ANOTHER, as Jesus Christ COMMANDED All Christians EVERYWHERE to do. Woe to them who claim to be Christian, and do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to them indeed.

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There are certain foods that can make some people ill. Pork is one of them and Shellfish are another if they are not fresh or cooked properly. Many of the things prohibited in the Bible wouldn't be eaten by many anyway, Insects for instance and most reptiles there are a number of Birds as well. Can you imagine tucking into a Vulture?
 
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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

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Thank you for the link, brother.

I though we should keep the moral law...! Are you saying you should not obey the Law?


God bless you!




Here is the Truth. You should OBEY all things that Jesus Christ tells you to do AND all things the Apostles of Jesus Christ tells you to do? Do those things and you will be doing the Will of the Father in Heaven and will be accepted by Him.

For example, Does Jesus tell Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No He does not teach that ANYWHERE.
Does the Apostle teach Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No they do not teach that ANYWHERE.
Do men of this generation teach that you MUST keep the Sabbath? Yes they do.
So then men of today teach things that are contrary to what Jesus Himself, and His Apostles taught us to do.

i assure you with no doubts whatsoever. IF Jesus wanted us to continue to keep the Sabbath, Jesus and/or His Apostles would have plainly told us to do so, in one of the thousands of verses they gave us to follow. Did they forget to mention that they wanted us to continue to keep it? Or did Jesus and the all the Apostles knew that we no longer had to keep it, and therefore do not instruct us Christians to do it? My point is, if you DO what Jesus and His Apostles tells you to do, you will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. Do not listen to those of the last days generation who add burdens upon the Christians which Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do, We are not under the LAW, we are under the Law of Liberty, not the Laws of Moses, not the 10 Commandments. What does the Apostle John say plainly to us Christians. Consider:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now many in this generation will ADD (interpret via men) this verse to mean the 10 commandments. But what does the Apostle John PLAINLY tells us what HIS Commandments are?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should
(1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Do THAT, and you will be accepted with HIM, as it is written. Those who believe we are to keep the LAW, will be held accountable to that LAW, as it is written if you break the least of these, you break them all. Those who want to be under the LAW, will be judged by that LAW. Anyone who wants to live under the LAW, is not under the Law of Liberty. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, are free from the LAW, they are no longer in bondage to the LAW as to do them, they are free. But now we are under a new covenant, a new agreement, we are to obey what Jesus and His Apostles tell us to do. And Jesus and His Apostle plainly tells us, over and over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i can't stress enough, how important it is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. God is LOVE. Those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER, do NOT have God. If God be in you, you will LOVE ONE ANOTHER, for God is LOVE. Those who get on these boards and try to hurt people, or try to upset people, or try to get people riled, or say hurtful things to others, or mocks others, or belittles others, or make fun of others. Where is GOD in them, Where is the LOVE for them at? Those who do not have LOVE, do not have God, no matter how loudly they proclaim with their mouths they do. You will know them by their fruits.

Your either one of those that LOVE ONE ANOTHER
or
You are one of those that don't.

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There are certain foods that can make some people ill. Pork is one of them and Shellfish are another if they are not fresh or cooked properly. Many of the things prohibited in the Bible wouldn't be eaten by many anyway, Insects for instance and most reptiles there are a number of Birds as well. Can you imagine tucking into a Vulture?
There are now some pathogens that themselves can be killed if cooking beef hot enough, over 160 degrees. However, some of those leave a toxin behind that can't be destroyed with heat alone. That toxin can do lots of damage, killing a lot of people. Yet, beef is a "clean" meat.

Cleanness in the Bible has only to do with acceptance for meat sacrifice.

A large part of the world population dines on insects, reptiles, and birds of many kinds. Most of them (gentiles) are still under only the Noahic Covenant, which permits them. They have no knowledge or obligation to keep the Mosaic dietary laws. if eaten with thanksgiving to God, all food is OK, though some are known to have toxins, having strict preparation guidelines that have nothing to do with religion.
 
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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

^i^ responding to OP











Here is the Truth. You should OBEY all things that Jesus Christ tells you to do AND all things the Apostles of Jesus Christ tells you to do? Do those things and you will be doing the Will of the Father in Heaven and will be accepted by Him.

For example, Does Jesus tell Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No He does not teach that ANYWHERE.
Does the Apostle teach Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No they do not teach that ANYWHERE.
Do men of this generation teach that you MUST keep the Sabbath? Yes they do.
So then men of today teach things that are contrary to what Jesus Himself, and His Apostles taught us to do.

i assure you with no doubts whatsoever. IF Jesus wanted us to continue to keep the Sabbath, Jesus and/or His Apostles would have plainly told us to do so, in one of the thousands of verses they gave us to follow. Did they forget to mention that they wanted us to continue to keep it? Or did Jesus and the all the Apostles knew that we no longer had to keep it, and therefore do not instruct us Christians to do it? My point is, if you DO what Jesus and His Apostles tells you to do, you will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. Do not listen to those of the last days generation who add burdens upon the Christians which Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do, We are not under the LAW, we are under the Law of Liberty, not the Laws of Moses, not the 10 Commandments. What does the Apostle John say plainly to us Christians. Consider:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now many in this generation will ADD (interpret via men) this verse to mean the 10 commandments. But what does the Apostle John PLAINLY tells us what HIS Commandments are?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should
(1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


Do THAT, and you will be accepted with HIM, as it is written. Those who believe we are to keep the LAW, will be held accountable to that LAW, as it is written if you break the least of these, you break them all. Those who want to be under the LAW, will be judged by that LAW. Anyone who wants to live under the LAW, is not under the Law of Liberty. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, are free from the LAW, they are no longer in bondage to the LAW as to do them, they are free. But now we are under a new covenant, a new agreement, we are to obey what Jesus and His Apostles tell us to do. And Jesus and His Apostle plainly tells us, over and over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i can't stress enough, how important it is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. God is LOVE. Those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER, do NOT have God. If God be in you, you will LOVE ONE ANOTHER, for God is LOVE. Those who get on these boards and try to hurt people, or try to upset people, or try to get people riled, or say hurtful things to others, or mocks others, or belittles others, or make fun of others. Where is GOD in them, Where is the LOVE for them at? Those who do not have LOVE, do not have God, no matter how loudly they proclaim with their mouths they do. You will know them by their fruits.

Your either one of those that LOVE ONE ANOTHER
or
You are one of those that don't.

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You are a liar false DiscipleDave....you can not without penalty of sin. Not only will you have to pay for your sin of breaking the dietary laws, but for telling this lie and deceiving others to do so. As stated in Matthew 5:19:

[SUP]19[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Least in the kingdom.......Which is the lake of fire to burn eternally.


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You are a liar false DiscipleDave....you can not without penalty of sin. Not only will you have to pay for your sin of breaking the dietary laws, but for telling this lie and deceiving others to do so. As stated in Matthew 5:19:

[SUP]19[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Least in the kingdom.......Which is the lake of fire to burn eternally.
Jayoish
Wow, talk about venom. Where's the Dislike button when you need one? What a petty god you have.
 

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God’s concern with what people eat begins with the first chapter of Genesis, where He prescribed the original diet. It resurfaces with surprising frequency throughout the Scriptures, having applications that involve both physical health and one’s service to God. The original diet was vegetarian, given in exact detail. “And God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit, you shall have them for food’ ” (Gen. 1:29). Specific mention is made of an abundance of trees in Eden, including the tree of life, to all of which the first couple had access, with exception of a single fruit-bearing tree that God had reserved (Gen. 2:9). Of it, He told them, “You shall not eat.” Their disobedience in this point constituted the first sin. We note the connection between food and a moral issue.

Following the entrance of sin the original diet was expanded to include herbaceous plants as well as fruits and nuts; however, it remained vegetarian. Modern scientific studies continue to demonstrate both the adequacy and unique health advantages to be gained by following a balanced vegetarian regimen. Only after the Flood diminished the earth’s food-producing capacity was permission given to use animal flesh as food, and that with restriction against use of flesh with blood (Gen. 9:3, 4), and later fat (Lev. 3:17). Already God had introduced a distinction among animals, clean or unclean (Gen. 7:2; 8:20)
 
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This passage does not, nor ever spoke about unclean foods, or clean foods per se. It is rather an explanation to a dream Peter had, and a warning to him who was very zealous abot Godly things and who is of God.

The Lord told Peter do not call Gentiles unclean for He has cleansed them too through the Messiah who is Jesus so all may have access to His Kingdom and Salvation of God in Jesus. After this Peter had a chnge of heart.
 
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With all respects for you DiscipleDave and all who think as you....you are wrong, and sadly do not speak the truth if the Messiah, nor his Disciples...

Jesus never broke any from the sacred Commandments, nor did his Disciples and comands us to obey all teachings...
 
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Wow, talk about venom. Where's the Dislike button when you need one? What a petty god you have.
Those are your thoughts which are not worth anything, the same as anyone on this earth. What GOD is, he is! He is GOD and maker of the world and can do as he pleases. As stated in Roman 9:13-15
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
You can call him whatever you want, you will pay for it later, but GOD is!!!!!



Jayoish
 
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There are now some pathogens that themselves can be killed if cooking beef hot enough, over 160 degrees. However, some of those leave a toxin behind that can't be destroyed with heat alone. That toxin can do lots of damage, killing a lot of people. Yet, beef is a "clean" meat.

Cleanness in the Bible has only to do with acceptance for meat sacrifice.

A large part of the world population dines on insects, reptiles, and birds of many kinds. Most of them (gentiles) are still under only the Noahic Covenant, which permits them. They have no knowledge or obligation to keep the Mosaic dietary laws. if eaten with thanksgiving to God, all food is OK, though some are known to have toxins, having strict preparation guidelines that have nothing to do with religion.
WRONG!!!! Leviticus 11:1-47 specifically starts off stating, these are the beast you can eat...
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even.
25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
26 The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.
36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.
37 And if any part of their carcase fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.
38 But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcase fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.
39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even.
40 And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
 
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It is not men you should be worried about, but obeying GOD...As Peter say in Acts 5:29:
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

So, what are you going to do if it offend your brethren that you do something GOD commands you to do? Are you going to stop because it offend your brethren?

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WRONG!!!! Leviticus 11:1-47 specifically starts off stating, these are the beast you can eat...
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even.
25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
26 The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.
36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.
37 And if any part of their carcase fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.
38 But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcase fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.
39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even.
40 And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
Hi Joyish,
Thanks for this biblical references. I agree with these dietary laws. Also since God never changes, nor does His Holy Son Jesus. I would agree with these dietary laws to be beneficial for modern societies. However, I must never judge others for no one knows another's soul, or who is saved, or not. I must, as Paul states work out my own salvation with much prayer and dedication.
 
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