Is the Old Testament the Old Law? Should we Follow it?

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Should we follow the Old Law?


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FreeNChrist

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#61
Anyway, to the OP, I do apologize for that small rant.

There's a few basic things you can look at here when coming to a determination on whether to follow or not follow.

AND BEFORE I CONTINUE; ANYTHING I STATE IS JUST MY UNDERSTANDING AND I'M NOT TELLING OTHERS TO DO OR THEIR WAY IS WRONG (posting that just so other's don't start getting all bashy bashy).

We start from the beginning, well kind of the beginning, this is all found in Genisis-Deuteronomy.
You have Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
God blesses Abraham.
Then Issac, receives the same blessing.
Jacob receives same blessing again and God changes his name to Israel.
Go a few generations later, you have Moses brings the children of Israel out of Egypt.
Now with that if you look at the scriputres, these were not just Hebrews, their were Egpytians with them as well, foreigners.
After this Moses goes up Mt. Sinai and God gives Moses His instructions for being the God of the Israelites.
It's a covenant between God and those who want to be His.
God gives His nation a name, and that is Israel.
Now we go years down the line to what I call Israel's fall. This is all found in the prophets
The kingdom of Israel is in a wreck and splits up.
The northern kingdom abandoned God's ways and broke His covenant and got scattered amongst the nations (as prophecied).
The southern kingdom kept God's ways, but eventually got very prideful and arogant with it and start twisting and adding to it.
Multiple times it's prophecied about the split and the aftermath, the one that sticks out the most as far as this topic is probably Ezekiel.
In Ezekiel 34, we see God speak through Ezekiel chastizing the leadership of Israel. God states basically they're not fit to lead Israel anymore, and they're just like a bad shepherd. God says ultimately He is the good shepherd and He will send Himself to gather His flock and restore.
Now an intersting thing on top of this, God states He's also going to bring gentiles into the mix, and not just the actual decendants of the whole house of Israel, but gentiles as well. Now when reading the ending passages of Ezekiel 34, when it's prophecied that God as the good shepherd will bring all these people together, God is still calling His people Israel. So there is no change in who God's people are; whether someones Jewish, Egyptian, Greek, German, Texan (had to put that one in there XD ), they're all the same and His people are called Israel.

Now we go way futher down the years and we get to Jesus.
In John 10 Jesus speaks of Him being the good shepherd coming to gather His sheep.
This is a reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel.
Jesus came back to make a way and gather Israel back together as a whole.
You can also look further where Paul talks about grafting.

So if one reads all these passages, and studies them. Then all you have to do is connect the dots.

And I'll leave it at that.

Pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit, and then go study.
If you want scripture/verse references private message me.
Blessings
Yeah because we Christians have just never connected all them dots, right?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#62
I would suppose that the mods like the scripture that I quote. LOL Ya think?
Anyone can post scripture. It does not mean the scripture supports there theory, Many people have come who would posts pages and pages of scripture. Yet they were so far away from Gods truth it was sad..

The sad part is you never even want to discus scripture.

you post it. And when people try to explain it, if it does not agree with you.. well then your true self comes out

You continually say people who do not agree with you are contentious, Children of satan, Need to be ignored. etc etc..

People like you with THAT attitude is what makes this place a bad place. Because we can never discuss anything.

again..

If this thread or CC was just about posting scripture. You would be a great asset. But then you start interpreting your way and damning anyone who does not agree.. thus You lose it.
 
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Biblelogic01

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#63
Yeah because we Christians have just never connected all them dots, right?
I just re-read what I posted.
I don't see it saying anything about that anywhere.
Also if you look at the very top, I stated that this is from my understanding.
If you choose not to agree with it, so be it, and leave it at that.

Have a blessed day good sir.
 
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Be it known. Love has more power than hate!

 
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FreeNChrist

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#65
I just re-read what I posted.
I don't see it saying anything about that anywhere.
Also if you look at the very top, I stated that this is from my understanding.
If you choose not to agree with it, so be it, and leave it at that.

Have a blessed day good sir.

Why would you be telling us how we can connect the dots if you thought we already had connected the dots?
 
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Biblelogic01

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#68
Why would you be telling us how we can connect the dots if you thought we already had connected the dots?
My post wasn't to everyone.
I was posting it to the OP.

I never implied that this was toward or at anyone else.
I did go on a rant about how if someone uses the Hebrew language that does not automatically make someone Hebrews Roots.
But outside of this conversation and that rant, my post has been to the OP, and no one else.
 
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FreeNChrist

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#69
My post wasn't to everyone.
I was posting it to the OP.

I never implied that this was toward or at anyone else.
I did go on a rant about how if someone uses the Hebrew language that does not automatically make someone Hebrews Roots.
But outside of this conversation and that rant, my post has been to the OP, and no one else.
Thanks for the clarification , I can see that now. My apologies.
 
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Biblelogic01

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#70
I do apologize myself if it did look or came across as an all round stating.

Blessings
 
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Biblelogic01

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#71
so its ok for you to judge.. thanks, I see who you are.. Again, your arrogance is showing..you need to put a daiper on or something, so the stink of arrogance does not flood the room.
Who did I judge?
I just looked over my posts, and I see no judgement towards anyone.
Now I have lashed out at someone before and call them anti-semetic just because the way the worded things.

And to that person I do apologize (it was on another thread, and it did get a little heated).

But I do not recall judging anyone.
Judging ones background based of the language they use is something I would concider arrogant, but I'm not going to call someone that.

And on a side note.
Please read Colossians 4:6

Have a blessed day sir
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#72
Who did I judge?
I just looked over my posts, and I see no judgement towards anyone.
Now I have lashed out at someone before and call them anti-semetic just because the way the worded things.

And to that person I do apologize (it was on another thread, and it did get a little heated).

But I do not recall judging anyone.
Judging ones background based of the language they use is something I would concider arrogant, but I'm not going to call someone that.

And on a side note.
Please read Colossians 4:6

Have a blessed day sir
I was out of line, I was mad at someone else and took it out on you. I apologize. and pray you forgive me.

My point was that you judged my interpretation without even showing me where I messed it up.. I should have just left it at that. and asked why. But instead I was the fool and acted like one..
 

prove-all

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#73

No, He is saying that it will not fade away, Its
original purpose is still in effect until all is completed
everyone uses the words [it is finished] to explain away, law is gone.

but the next verse should comfirm it has not been done away.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

what is the explanation of this verse?
 
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davidb87

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#74
May I ask kindly where you see Jesus specifically tell us to follow the law. Where in the bible did you see this?

If anyone teaches you something. Ask for scripture to back it up. Do you have a bible?

Yes i sourced the verses
 

Ahwatukee

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everyone uses the words [it is finished] to explain away law past away.

but the next verse should comfirm it has not been done away.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

what is the explanation of this verse?
Everyone breaks those commandments (the written code) in one form or another and no one is teaching anyone to break them. We are teaching that scripture states that we are no longer under the works of the law, but are under a new covenant of salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Not being under the law does not give us carte Blanche to sin. It means that we follow Christ and are led by the Spirit. But we are not under the law to be committed to it, for we all break the law which brings wrath for those who are under it.
 
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davidb87

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#76
So it is different, Who says christians interpret that way you just said? Christians I know do not interpret it that way. so what makes you more right then them?

I guess what Paul said in gal 3 means nothing?

That was arrogant dude. If you want people to listen to you. Try to lighten up a little bit, and at least show where I was wrong.

I didnt say i was right,, I am making it clear that I am not sure with what is right or wrong.
I am only a student looking for some more light.

And yes, I believe most of what paul says means nothing to be honest.. If you want me to show you why I could. but thats another topic.
 
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davidb87

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#77
No. Jesus told us to follow the faith of abraham, not the law of moses.

Why do people always assume things, instead of thinking them through.
Lol dude take your own advice "Assuming things instead of thinking it through"

Think it Through, God sent abraham, later sent moses with the torah, and david and later sent Jesus..

Why does god send all these prophets? to make an example to us humans. How else were we suppose to know of god?
These prophets explained and showed god to us through their miracles that god gave them.

So dont say we arent suppose to follow the law of moses but follow the faith of abraham.
We follow All of them.

God sent Jesus to fulfill moses mission. Not to Change Anything
 
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FreeNChrist

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#78
I didnt say i was right,, I am making it clear that I am not sure with what is right or wrong.
I am only a student looking for some more light.

And yes, I believe most of what paul says means nothing to be honest.. If you want me to show you why I could. but thats another topic.
If you believe what Paul says means nothing, then of course, nothing is all you will ever understand.
 
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davidb87

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#79
Everyone breaks those commandments (the written code) in one form or another and no one is teaching anyone to break them. We are teaching that scripture states that we are no longer under the works of the law, but are under a new covenant of salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Not being under the law does not give us carte Blanche to sin. It means that we follow Christ and are led by the Spirit. But we are not under the law to be committed to it, for we all break the law which brings wrath for those who are under it.

Ok so lets look at it like this..


From the bible it is claimed that, Jesus Says: "Follow the old laws, not a law should be abolished, and dont teach no one Not to disobey the laws"

so if he said that it would have been year 0


Year 100: bible writers "we are under the new covenenant"

so over all the centuries people come up with their own interpretations and decide to follow the bible writers Verse instead of following Jesus own Saying Verse..


Im done. Lol I will just follow what my heart says is right
 
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davidb87

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#80
If you believe what Paul says means nothing, then of course, nothing is all you will ever understand.
Why should I follow someone who says opposite things of what Jesus says.
I follow what Jesus says in the bible, the part where Humans Voice their opinions in the bibles is what confused this whole world.