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K
OMGosh..................
Trying to be justified by the law is sin !!!
Trying to say it is evil and not sin makes absolutely no sense, because anything that is evil is sin my brother.
Apostle Paul makes it very clear that anything not of the faith is sin, and one trying to be justified by the law is not of the faith. Thus is why Paul told them that Christ has become of no effect to them (no remission of sins) and they have fallen from grace.
I can not believe you would actually try to separate the two like that when the Word of God does not, anything evil is sinful !!!
I find it quite amusing to have an atheist lecturing this forum on how a Christian should behave. Were you once a Christian then walked away? Did you read this in a book? A website? AA?
Please try very hard not to lecture us on how and what a Christian does, in an effort to connect before you start with the secular dogma of live and let live, meaning let the gays do what they want.
When the gay agenda is constantly rubbed in our faces, when the gay lobby takes away our rights to live as Christians -such as demanding we have to make wedding cakes for gay people, and get fined when we refuse it is the Christians whose rights are being eroded.
If you cared in the slightest about the values of "tolerance" you would be seeing that basically, besides the media and television programming and propaganda that the gay lobby is engaging in, that Christians are not being allowed their rights to follow God's Word.
Like the fight that raged on for 20 years the school district I taught in, where a gay activist brought homosexual books into a classroom, and then pushed it to the Supreme Court, for the right to indoctrinate grade 1 kids as to how "normal" homosexual relationships are. And won!
Today I read that in Canada, private schools are growing at an incredible rate - as much as 30% per year in some provinces. Of course, lax standards and expectations, bad curriculums and poorly trained teachers are part of that. But a lot of parents, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu (yep, most of the major religions of the world!) are just sick to death of the indoctrination that is contrary to the deeply held beliefs of their faiths that is characterized in modern schools.
This is NOT recent, either. It has been going for decades, as the gay lobby movement attempts to pervert the souls and minds of not just secular students, but Christian and other faiths' children. I watched this as a teacher. I received the propaganda and refused to teach it. In fact, at Christmas and Easter, I talked about Jesus, and who he was and what he came to do. Because most of the children had literally never heard the truth of what these Christian holidays were about. And I never had a complaint in 20 years, except one year when I was first sick, and I cancelled the Christmas music program, and all the parents, from every ethniic and religious background wanted me to bring it back! Yes! They wanted their children to be educated as to what these important Christian holidays were about (I taught in an area with up to 99% ESL, primarily Sikhs from the Punjab!)
So no, not going to go for your "hands off my rights" rhetoric, when in fact, it is the gay lobby with their insidious agenda that is the one that is depriving the majority of their rights. And sadly, this lobby is such a small percentage of a small percentage of the population of our countries!
Please try very hard not to lecture us on how and what a Christian does, in an effort to connect before you start with the secular dogma of live and let live, meaning let the gays do what they want.
When the gay agenda is constantly rubbed in our faces, when the gay lobby takes away our rights to live as Christians -such as demanding we have to make wedding cakes for gay people, and get fined when we refuse it is the Christians whose rights are being eroded.
If you cared in the slightest about the values of "tolerance" you would be seeing that basically, besides the media and television programming and propaganda that the gay lobby is engaging in, that Christians are not being allowed their rights to follow God's Word.
Like the fight that raged on for 20 years the school district I taught in, where a gay activist brought homosexual books into a classroom, and then pushed it to the Supreme Court, for the right to indoctrinate grade 1 kids as to how "normal" homosexual relationships are. And won!
Today I read that in Canada, private schools are growing at an incredible rate - as much as 30% per year in some provinces. Of course, lax standards and expectations, bad curriculums and poorly trained teachers are part of that. But a lot of parents, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu (yep, most of the major religions of the world!) are just sick to death of the indoctrination that is contrary to the deeply held beliefs of their faiths that is characterized in modern schools.
This is NOT recent, either. It has been going for decades, as the gay lobby movement attempts to pervert the souls and minds of not just secular students, but Christian and other faiths' children. I watched this as a teacher. I received the propaganda and refused to teach it. In fact, at Christmas and Easter, I talked about Jesus, and who he was and what he came to do. Because most of the children had literally never heard the truth of what these Christian holidays were about. And I never had a complaint in 20 years, except one year when I was first sick, and I cancelled the Christmas music program, and all the parents, from every ethniic and religious background wanted me to bring it back! Yes! They wanted their children to be educated as to what these important Christian holidays were about (I taught in an area with up to 99% ESL, primarily Sikhs from the Punjab!)
So no, not going to go for your "hands off my rights" rhetoric, when in fact, it is the gay lobby with their insidious agenda that is the one that is depriving the majority of their rights. And sadly, this lobby is such a small percentage of a small percentage of the population of our countries!
G
All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin Brother.
This is why we have this verse...................Heb 5:14~~New American Standard Bible
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
Why would it take solid food,maturity and constant practice to discern good from evil?
Because only that which is done through the Spirit is considered good(divine good). That good that comes through our flesh is evil in the eyes of God.
An unbeliever can give to the poor because he feels sorry for them. Is this good or evil in the sight of the Lord? Its evil, because it was not done through the power of His Spirit. It is not sin, it is evil. It looks good from our viewpoint, but from Gods it is evil.
A believer gives to the poor to maintain his salvation............its not sin, its evil. God maintains His salvation of a man.
Through the filling of the Spirit, a believer gives to the poor..............Divine good.
All sin is evil, not all evil is sin.
This is why we have this verse...................Heb 5:14~~New American Standard Bible
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
Why would it take solid food,maturity and constant practice to discern good from evil?
Because only that which is done through the Spirit is considered good(divine good). That good that comes through our flesh is evil in the eyes of God.
An unbeliever can give to the poor because he feels sorry for them. Is this good or evil in the sight of the Lord? Its evil, because it was not done through the power of His Spirit. It is not sin, it is evil. It looks good from our viewpoint, but from Gods it is evil.
A believer gives to the poor to maintain his salvation............its not sin, its evil. God maintains His salvation of a man.
Through the filling of the Spirit, a believer gives to the poor..............Divine good.
All sin is evil, not all evil is sin.
K
This scripture in Hebrews 5:14 has nothing to do with separating sin from evil, as it is speaking on becoming mature in the faith and living by both the milk and meat of the Word of God instead of just the milk.
Those who are mature know how to discern between good (doing His righteousness) and from evil (sinful ways, and false teachings).
Trying to earn salvation is just as wrong as one who does good without faith in the Lord, both are done for self and not for Him. Anything done in self is sinful, as again you are trying to separate what is not separate because all sin is done in darkness. There is no sin that is done in the Light !!!
This complete understanding you have is flawed and not supported by the bible !!!
For the bible says all sin is enmity to God !!!
M
So your trying to speak against self-righteousness as a way to defend the approval of this wickedness.... We are warned against TWO leavens that defile the church...first hypocrisy ..second the wickedness of this world .....both should be purged with equal zeal. To use one to promote or excuse the other is just error.
G
Heb 5:14 separates divine Good from human good..............Good and evil. It doesn't address sin.
Again, why would it take solid food, maturity,constant practice to discern good from evil if evil was meant to be sin in this verse. unbelievers can discern good from sin.
Why were good and evil on the same tree?
Again, why would it take solid food, maturity,constant practice to discern good from evil if evil was meant to be sin in this verse. unbelievers can discern good from sin.
Why were good and evil on the same tree?
K
It is saying nothing of the sort there, it is simply talking about maturing in the faith as Paul showed from Romans 7 to Romans 8.
Paul showed in Romans 7 he was still carnal sold under sin, but in Romans 8 he now says he walks by the Spirit and is no longer carnally minded as that way leads to eternal death.
What Jesus said in His teachings and commands was the milk of the gospel that when followed puts us under God's grace through faith in Him. The meat of the gospel comes by the Holy Spirit as He breaks down and shows how believers in Christ can and can not walk in the faith.
This is the maturing process that the meat brings to get us away from the fleshly ways to walk a new in the Spirit.
When we get to this maturity stage we can now discern between good (His righteousness) and evil (sinful false ways).
A good tree can not produce bad fruit !!!
The tree of knowledge of good and evil you are talking about is not placing good and evil on the same tree, it was saying that knowledge of knowing the difference is there !!!
So I read something about american churches that embrace the 'LGBTQ community.' Those churches show their love of gays, lesbians and the like by displaying rainbows flag on the facades of the church buildings and by using them at gatherings etc. But people keep stealing, 'vandalizing' and even burning those banners:.. understandable, because the flag itself is a provocation for true christians.
Now we shouldn't touch other people's belongings, let alone vandalize or steal them, but sometimes enough is enough. Ofcourse, scripture tells us to submit to governing authorities (Rom 13: 1-7), but isn't some sort of civil disobedience or even further action (in God's name) in order here? Like it says in Acts: We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5: 29)
Now we shouldn't touch other people's belongings, let alone vandalize or steal them, but sometimes enough is enough. Ofcourse, scripture tells us to submit to governing authorities (Rom 13: 1-7), but isn't some sort of civil disobedience or even further action (in God's name) in order here? Like it says in Acts: We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5: 29)
Based on this train of thought, we should be burning down porno shops and bombing abortion clinics. We should be assasinating the members of the Church of Satan, but those things still feel wrong to do don't they?
Peace and love Didy
G
He upholds them in the believer if we are filled and walking in the Spirit.
Our flesh doesn't stand a chance at upholding His Moral standards.
This is the problem for most of us. Do WE uphold them? No we don't, the Holy Spirit does if we are not grieving or quenching the Spirit and are filled and walking in the Spirit.
Our flesh doesn't stand a chance at upholding His Moral standards.
This is the problem for most of us. Do WE uphold them? No we don't, the Holy Spirit does if we are not grieving or quenching the Spirit and are filled and walking in the Spirit.