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The porno shop isnt out of the church,the abortion clinic isnt out of the church,not yet anyway. The flag is ON THE CHURCH.Its wrong %100 percent. The only two news reports I could find about flags being flown on the church supported the gay lifestyle and dont believe it to be wrong. That is dead wrong.
And I'm speaking of God's design. God created people with a symbiotic relationship between INTENTION (our "heartstate") and ACTION.
Sometimes people change because they've been effected in their HEART and it manifests in their ACTIONS. Sometimes people change because they adjust their ACTIONS and soon their heart changes. There is nothing linear about this idea.
In fact, it is an idea that God-fearing people live out on a daily basis. For example, I don't really feel like getting up early to read my bible and pray, it's been a hard week. However, I engage in the ACTION because I've made a commitment, and low and behold, the feelings soon follow. OR I don't really feel like I love my husband...he's getting on my last nerve, but I will demonstrate the ACTIONS of love and soon my heart will follow. OR I don't really know if I believe God fully, but I will pray and ACT AS IF I believe God fully and soon I do believe.
Now, if you want to make the argument that the presence of the Holy Spirit within a person is the key to all of this, I'll agree. However, sometimes the Holy Spirit urges us to ACTION in order to reshape our interior, and sometimes the Holy Spirit reshapes our INTERIOR in order to facilitate action.
Coincidentally, this is an observable reality reflected in a multitude of studies across a variety of fields of expertise.
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I don't know, but there is so much twisting of what another is saying and so much misunderstanding, that someone could make good money translating...problem is, that folks would want to have 2nd and 3rd opinions
It's like a person shows a sock....one person is obsessed with finding the other sock even though you keep saying you just have one, one person is bored and changes the subject, one person thinks you are angry at them because the sock is not speaking to them and another thinks it's not a sock and another tells you to put a sock in it
And finally, another person starts a new thread to berate everyone in the first thread and before you know it...someone yells the sock has a hole and someone else responds it is not hole -y enough
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you could very well be speaking of this forum if one has the ability to observe the realities available for disection
honestly? perhaps there is a study on flying gay flags outside of churches and the resultant attendance and conversions as compared to those in the congregation who may leave or those who will not even walk through the door
You could do a comparison study to determine if the ratio of new folks equals those who left or would not even try the church
of course the wild card in your study would be the folks who would not even try it..the balance would swing in favor of the nays in that case, so the study would be considered biased
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No scripture states one can lose salvation by falling either..my bible teaches that God's grace abounds more than my sin and Christ continually intercedes for me pal....and regardless of how you twist and spin your psuedo gospel of a different kind you teach a sinless working for salvation even though you are blind to it!
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We are only to submit to the governing authorities if by doing so we do not go against God's authority. God comes first, always. And God says in Ephesians six that we no longer battle the physical, like David killed his tens of thousands, we battle the spiritual. We go straight for their hearts and minds- this requires words. Our sword is the word of God. For satan and his followers to masquerade as angels of light is not a new thing. Taking down their flag will not change their hearts, it will only make it appear on the surface that there is change- like sweeping it under the rug- it still exists.
When God changed me He changed my mind, He did not destroy my cigarettes or other signs (flags) of my evil behavior, He encouraged me to destroy them myself with my own free will. If we push a sinner in the pool, they are not baptized. The change has to come from them. We have to speak to their heart, not tear down their flag. By doing so we are making the statement that they do not have free will, we must force them to change. Unless you take out the root, the weed will grow back.
When God changed me He changed my mind, He did not destroy my cigarettes or other signs (flags) of my evil behavior, He encouraged me to destroy them myself with my own free will. If we push a sinner in the pool, they are not baptized. The change has to come from them. We have to speak to their heart, not tear down their flag. By doing so we are making the statement that they do not have free will, we must force them to change. Unless you take out the root, the weed will grow back.
Yes I understand that we are the church,the people. But the building represents something else to the world.When they see a church flying a gay flag it looks like the church is supporting something against Gods word. Blessings back to you 
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Listen, I said that because the only sinner I can be totally sure of is a sinner is me...I aint got no business talkin bout other folks...I dont know if they be sinners...except for those displaying sin in a manner that leaves no doubt.
...I dont know if they be sinners...except for those displaying sin in a manner that leaves no doubt.
