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There are many verses that say that God is omnipotent, sovereign and that nothing happened without his knowledge. If nothing happen without his permissions then gays are a by-product from God. About verses that implies that God made gay; here are examples that come to my mind: Daniel 4, 35 and genesis 1, 26
He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?” Daniel 4, 35
Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. Genesis 1, 26
It is very sad that your perception of gays is limited to what was written thousand of years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then. As long as gays don't transgress the laws of our country: Violence, rape, murder are not acceptable but who care about what is going on in other bedrooms?
He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?” Daniel 4, 35
Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. Genesis 1, 26
It is very sad that your perception of gays is limited to what was written thousand of years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then. As long as gays don't transgress the laws of our country: Violence, rape, murder are not acceptable but who care about what is going on in other bedrooms?
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you mean like bologna is a by product of what is not put into real salami?
I'm having a hard time trying to picure what a by product of God would look like...
I didn't know that violence was in a different category then are rape and murder
so, God has become forgetful about all those things in the Bible or maybe He has given His by-products their rightful place in the grand scheme of things
I'm like...I can't...do you even begin to understand what you wrote...and have you gone without sleep for 48 hrs or more?
I decided to be slightly sarcastically humerous, because I don't care to have to take another antacid pill...even though they are fruit flavored
would you like one?
ps...you have tortured the words of Moses and Daniel...21st C now...and it's going to get worse
I'm having a hard time trying to picure what a by product of God would look like...
I didn't know that violence was in a different category then are rape and murder
so, God has become forgetful about all those things in the Bible or maybe He has given His by-products their rightful place in the grand scheme of things
I'm like...I can't...do you even begin to understand what you wrote...and have you gone without sleep for 48 hrs or more?
I decided to be slightly sarcastically humerous, because I don't care to have to take another antacid pill...even though they are fruit flavored
would you like one?
ps...you have tortured the words of Moses and Daniel...21st C now...and it's going to get worse
I have no problem with a lost gay coming in to hear the gospel...but one who refuses to acknowledge the truth, cease their contrary lifestyle and or a "church member" who comes out and refuses to submit to the truth and change would be lumped under the same banner as the fornicator of whom Paul under inspiration commanded to be cut loose for the destruction of the flesh.
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Spot on Willie-T.
Just thinking about this subject as of late......................this is in the news,on the minds of Christians and has the attention of the majority.
The master deceiver works this way. While the attention is diverted and the majority are focused on the seen and what is popular ............what is going on behind the scenes that no one is paying attention to? This is where satan works. The attention is on the gay agenda and has priority for most Christians.................So he is working on some scheme behind the scenes because he has us all distracted.
What is he doing behind the scenes?
Just thinking about this subject as of late......................this is in the news,on the minds of Christians and has the attention of the majority.
The master deceiver works this way. While the attention is diverted and the majority are focused on the seen and what is popular ............what is going on behind the scenes that no one is paying attention to? This is where satan works. The attention is on the gay agenda and has priority for most Christians.................So he is working on some scheme behind the scenes because he has us all distracted.
What is he doing behind the scenes?
Actually, being created in the image of God does not mean that God is created in our image.
God is perfect. He created perfect earthly beings. Then, sin came into the world. Disobedience to God.
The consequence of sin, has been death and destruction. The human genome has gone downhill. For instance, both in the early books of the Bible, and in ancient Egypt, people married their sisters and half sisters. That is actually how the line of succession for the Pharaohs of Egypt was passed down. They kept the line "pure" that way.
Abraham married his half sister, Isaac married a cousin and so did Jacob. A lot of inbreeding, but no genetic mutations. But when the Israelites had intermarried for 400 years in Egypt, the level of mutations started to go up, and God forbade the Hebrews to marry close relatives. Even today, Tay-Sachs - a autosomal recessive genetic disorder is found mostly in Ashkenazi Jews.
As we get farther from creation, our brokenness is producing more and more mutations and deviations. Being gay is a deviation from God's plan for a man and woman to be together.
Another thing to consider, is the studies of overcrowding of rats. In studies which put rats into apartment-like buildings, no access to the outdoors, and overcrowded, usually one dominant male took over the compound. The other males became homosexual to gratify their needs because the females were not available. Whereas the same variety of rats, when kept with enough space, access to sunshine and nature, no homosexuality came out. I think this is so relevant to our society. Many live far from the natural world, or the world the way God created it. People become terribly overcrowded in urban centers. Besides homosexuality, violence also results.
I also know a man who was a medical missionary to Cameroon. He said the whole time he lived and worked as a doctor there, he only met one homosexual. Apparently, it was not socially acceptable to be gay. And so no one was. Which indicates that being gay is a choice!
So no, God did not create homosexuality at all. He created a perfect world, with a perfect man and woman. But sadly and this is the whole point of why Jesus came - man and woman sinned, and death and pain and suffering were the result.
God is perfect. He created perfect earthly beings. Then, sin came into the world. Disobedience to God.
The consequence of sin, has been death and destruction. The human genome has gone downhill. For instance, both in the early books of the Bible, and in ancient Egypt, people married their sisters and half sisters. That is actually how the line of succession for the Pharaohs of Egypt was passed down. They kept the line "pure" that way.
Abraham married his half sister, Isaac married a cousin and so did Jacob. A lot of inbreeding, but no genetic mutations. But when the Israelites had intermarried for 400 years in Egypt, the level of mutations started to go up, and God forbade the Hebrews to marry close relatives. Even today, Tay-Sachs - a autosomal recessive genetic disorder is found mostly in Ashkenazi Jews.
As we get farther from creation, our brokenness is producing more and more mutations and deviations. Being gay is a deviation from God's plan for a man and woman to be together.
Another thing to consider, is the studies of overcrowding of rats. In studies which put rats into apartment-like buildings, no access to the outdoors, and overcrowded, usually one dominant male took over the compound. The other males became homosexual to gratify their needs because the females were not available. Whereas the same variety of rats, when kept with enough space, access to sunshine and nature, no homosexuality came out. I think this is so relevant to our society. Many live far from the natural world, or the world the way God created it. People become terribly overcrowded in urban centers. Besides homosexuality, violence also results.
I also know a man who was a medical missionary to Cameroon. He said the whole time he lived and worked as a doctor there, he only met one homosexual. Apparently, it was not socially acceptable to be gay. And so no one was. Which indicates that being gay is a choice!
So no, God did not create homosexuality at all. He created a perfect world, with a perfect man and woman. But sadly and this is the whole point of why Jesus came - man and woman sinned, and death and pain and suffering were the result.
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Dc, we are of the same mind and theology. The Corinthian believer was making a spectacle of his overt sin and was disrupting the local assembly in their daily worship.
If the Gay is pushing their agenda and disrupting service.............Kick em out.
My favorite sin( authority/anger)............. If I started jumping up and yelling at the Pastor when he taught on the hypostatic union incorrectly, He has every right to toss me out. But if I sit in silence and bite my tongue and don't disrupt the assembly I can stay. The pastor knows I sin in my head when we disagree, but he can't kick me out for it if I do not disrupt.
It is the same with any sin. If it disrupts the local assembly, and hinders the teaching of doctrine overtly............we kick em out.
But we do not kick out the homo that sits quietly and listens and the only noise they make is from the gossiping, self righteous, prigs that sit next to them.
If the Gay is pushing their agenda and disrupting service.............Kick em out.
My favorite sin( authority/anger)............. If I started jumping up and yelling at the Pastor when he taught on the hypostatic union incorrectly, He has every right to toss me out. But if I sit in silence and bite my tongue and don't disrupt the assembly I can stay. The pastor knows I sin in my head when we disagree, but he can't kick me out for it if I do not disrupt.
It is the same with any sin. If it disrupts the local assembly, and hinders the teaching of doctrine overtly............we kick em out.
But we do not kick out the homo that sits quietly and listens and the only noise they make is from the gossiping, self righteous, prigs that sit next to them.
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Seriously? Yes,I can...
Romans 1: 26-27-Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Cor. 6:9-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.…
Jude 1:5-7 -Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[SUP]c[/SUP] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
God didnt change his mind from the OT to the NT. Homosexuality is still wrong.If you are a Christian you should know that.
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Well I think we are stereo typing these people a bit, I'm sure they agree not going to wear a tag that says I'm gay, or a dress , or leather chaps, lol
Unless you know everyone in your service you may have already been in the company of them.
So let's be real how has the topic of your conversation at church been? Have you been good?
Unless you know everyone in your service you may have already been in the company of them.
So let's be real how has the topic of your conversation at church been? Have you been good?
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Nothing DOES happen without His permission, but I (as someone who every day struggles with same-sex attraction) am NOT a mere BY-product from God, on contrary: I'm one of His beloved creatures. Sure, I'm a sinner, but aren't we all? That's why He sent His Son, to deliver us all from sin... ALL.
God's Word is eternal! (Ps 119:89) and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (Heb 13:8)
God cares, and if you're a christian so should you.
God's Word is eternal! (Ps 119:89) and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (Heb 13:8)
God cares, and if you're a christian so should you.
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No we teach them that if they are a believer..they are the temple of God and if they defile the temple ..God will destroy that body. Same point Paul made to all who practiced sexually immorality. If they are a believer and their sin has come to the knowledge of the church...they are warned directly and if they refuse to turn from it...they are thrown out of the body...just as the bible teaches.
Good Morning All,
Are you aware that there are folks struggling with this issue who is part of this forum. Are folks speaking with love as Jesus would had spoken. Some of those responses are full of hatred. Yes, the sin is wrong just like all the other sins that are mention in the Word. Lets speak about homosexuality within the church, adultery, gossiping, false teaching and etc. Do not be a stumbling block to others because ones responses full of hatred or harsh tone. There is only One who Judge that is God.
When God observe our lives will God see imperfection or sin that was hidden in our secret closet. Yesterday, I minister to a Muslim who is in the Islam faith, we pray together, shared hardships, pain and at the end the person said the following: Thank you!
Are you aware that there are folks struggling with this issue who is part of this forum. Are folks speaking with love as Jesus would had spoken. Some of those responses are full of hatred. Yes, the sin is wrong just like all the other sins that are mention in the Word. Lets speak about homosexuality within the church, adultery, gossiping, false teaching and etc. Do not be a stumbling block to others because ones responses full of hatred or harsh tone. There is only One who Judge that is God.
When God observe our lives will God see imperfection or sin that was hidden in our secret closet. Yesterday, I minister to a Muslim who is in the Islam faith, we pray together, shared hardships, pain and at the end the person said the following: Thank you!
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Well I think we are stereo typing these people a bit, I'm sure they agree not going to wear a tag that says I'm gay, or a dress , or leather chaps, lol
Unless you know everyone in your service you may have already been in the company of them.
So let's be real how has the topic of your conversation at church been? Have you been good?
Unless you know everyone in your service you may have already been in the company of them.
So let's be real how has the topic of your conversation at church been? Have you been good?
and what's wrong with leather chaps?
I'll have you know they come in real handy when riding through brush
the nerve!!!!!
