Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

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My heart breaks for those who put millstones on people's necks rather than choosing grace.
Wouldest thou carest to make a wild guess as to why dere are SO MANY WARNINGS in the NT?

Thou payest absolutely no attention to what Jesus and the epistle writers have said and had written.
 
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What is also worth mentioning is that we NOW have the ability to CHOOSE to not sin.
This ability is because of the new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Scriptures.
thats what romans 6 is saying. But it also says we are under grace and salvation is gift from God.

Or do you doubt under which we are? here's the answer:
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
 
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From someone elsewhere …
“Yes, the church has always held that one can turn back away from God, losing salvation.
Man's will is always involved to one degree or another.”

What is lost on most of you is that ...
those churches of long ago were not Laodicean grace-only churches.
 
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Many people in time of our lord Jesus Christ
during his crossification was not even save because most of them
believe in their own self rightiousness and to those Pharisees scribes and saduceos
BUT NEVER BELIEVED IN THE TEACHINGS AND DOCTRINES OF CHRIST JESUS
Matthew: 15. 1. Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2. Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6. And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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7. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips;
but their heart is far from me.
9. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Yea, some things just never change.
Your quote above sounds like Jesus' railing @ the Laodicean church of today (Rev 3).

Note: should be "their mouths" and "their hearts", but what the hay!
 
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:smoke: and it is Christ jesus words not mine :whistle:
:scarf: much more than this it is written :happy:
 
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Wouldest thou carest to make a wild guess as to why dere are SO MANY WARNINGS in the NT?

Thou payest absolutely no attention to what Jesus and the epistle writers have said and had written.
Wouldest thou care to make a wild guess as to why God's grace in Jesus Christ is sufficient? Thou payest no attention to what Jesus and the Epistle writers say about love and grace. Thou also payest no attention to Jesus' gift to us on the Cross, and His power at the Empty Tomb.

Woe to you who sits in judgement of others, and with no love in your heart, at that! You shut out the Kingdom of Heaven against those who love and trust Jesus. Woe to you! You have been warned!
 
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The more I study the NT the more WARNINGS I see,

but all the while … most pastors are preaching GRACE!
Most of the NT was written to born-again Christians in the churches,
so many warnings were written to YOU (if indeed you are born-again).
However, most believers today are blind to them (for several reasons).
Dozens of verses WARN: If you choose to keep on sinning without
serious confession and repentance (sincere regret and desire to change),
you will fall from grace and forfeit your salvation!

• “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous.” (1 John 3:7)

• “… everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)

• “… whoever (reverentially) fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him”
(Acts 10:35)


• “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … so now present your members as slaves
of righteousness for holiness … the wages of sin is (eternal) death” (Romans 6:16, 19, 23)

“For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death
the (sinful) deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by God’s Spirit,
these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:13-14)

Jesus warned: And these (the unrighteous) will go away into everlasting punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)

To not obey is to not believe” is taught in Hebrews 3:18-19 …
which links back to the applicable examples of: sinning (3:17), rebelling (3:16),
hardening of the heart (3:15), and not remaining faithful (3:14).

“Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved,
he will receive the crown of (eternal) life … But each one is tempted when he is drawn
away by his own desires … Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin when it is full-grown brings forth (eternal) death.” (James 1:12-16)

“Be faithful until death and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.” (Revelation 2:10)

Everyone who is cowardly (fearful), unbelieving (includes unfaithful), abominable,
murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in
the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

• “… reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men” (2 Peter 3:7)
Yes, everyone who is ungodly will be thrown into the lake of fire!

Jesus is coming back for:
“… a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing …
holy and without blemish.(Ephesians 5:27)
“… holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God” (Hebrews 12:14)

To continue your progressive sanctification unto holiness,
it is critical to regularly confess and repent of your sins …
IF we walk in the light … the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin
IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us (of) our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:7-9)
One obvious question to start: How do you know most pastors are preaching GRACE! ? I think it's safe to say there are at least 100,000 pastors in the world. I may have heard or known up to 50 of them in my lifetime, so I can't say what most are preaching. So how do you?

Why is it assumed so often on here that random people actually know so much about so many people in so large an earth that they feel safe in speaking for what strangers are or aren't preaching?

And, warning: The second question is bigger than the first. Why do you assume you alone know what the NT teaches and are alone qualified to preach it?

You quote "Let no one deceive you." Got it. How do I know you aren't trying to, because here you come -- supposedly brand new to this site -- and busting to teach us ignorant folks. Maybe you are a good guy, but this is a questionable beginning if you are.
 
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Utah,
Thanks for answering the question! lol
I'm not the least bit surprised at your miserable failure.
Note:
All of the Scriptures must be reconciled.
None of the Scriptures are to be ignored.
 
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One obvious question to start:
How do you know most pastors are preaching GRACE! ?
The Spirit-filled believers on Christian Internet Radio say this from their experience.
Note: We are talking about North American churches.
 

mailmandan

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God is not bound to satisfy your demands of any kind.
But, He insists that you pay attention to His Spirit when you read Scripture.
Instead of being deceived by your church.
Those who are led by His Spirit are sons of God.
Not those who are led by their church.
What demands? I listen to the Holy Spirit when I read scripture. I shared scripture with you. Deceived by my church? Maybe it's you who is deceived by your church. Ever thought of that?
 
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Utah,
Thanks for answering the question! lol
I'm not the least bit surprised at your miserable failure.
Note:
All of the Scriptures must be reconciled.
None of the Scriptures are to be ignored.
Keep laughing all the way to the gates of Hades. You've been thoroughly warned about the consequences of placing millstones around people's necks and have no excuses come Judgement.
 
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What demands? I listen to the Holy Spirit when I read scripture. I shared scripture with you. Deceived by my church? Maybe it's you who is deceived by your church. Ever thought of that?
Its so sad to witness wretched souls floundering in the decay self righteousness abomination.
 

kodiak

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It was simply a warning that if they continued, they would fall from grace, etc.
And this warning is the same as all of the many warnings in the NT.
IF a born-again believer doesn't do things God's way, he/she loses salvation.
Now you need to find out what God's way is!
Hint: it is not sitting back and relying on God's grace.
Proof: the many warnings about losing salvation.
So how do you get that when the Bible says in John 10:28 that we can not be taken out of his hand by anyone?
 

mailmandan

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Then many will be sorely disappointed.

1 JOHN 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness,
we lie and do not practice the truth.
7 But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,

and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 IF we confess our sins, He (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1 JOHN 2
1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin.
And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins (past, present, future),

and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him”, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,

and the truth is not in him.
You need to read verses 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6 - IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Ephesians 5:8 - For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. Lost unbelievers walk in darkness, not in the light. Genuine saved believers walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.

Do Christians walk in darkness or do lost unbelievers? In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 10 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is connected to children of the devil.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments ​(demonstrative evidence that they don't know Him) is a liar, and the truth is not in him. By the way, the word "keep" does not mean sinless perfect obedience 100% of the time to all of His commandments. We are not sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time. The word, "keep" comes from the Greek word "tereo" Strongs #5083 and means to keep, to guard, to watch over, preserve.
 
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The Spirit-filled believers on Christian Internet Radio say this from their experience.
Note: We are talking about North American churches.
Ah, so some guys on the radio.

And, I did notice you skipped the more important question I asked.
 
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Wouldest thou carest to make a wild guess as to why dere are SO MANY WARNINGS in the NT?

Thou payest absolutely no attention to what Jesus and the epistle writers have said and had written.
Do you happen to know Da one and only John Zain? Did he move to Canada, or was he always dere?