Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?
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You really can't play games like that. The word "repent" means "to change your mind". And that is what Jesus asked us to do.... change our minds from the age-old way of believing WE are the ones who effect our Salvation by keeping laws perfectly (or making animal sacrifices when we failed), to instead, trusting in the words He said... that our Salvation was purchased by Him........ with no input from our own actions.
You seem to be clinging to the misunderstanding that to "repent" means to attempt to convince God, through demonstrations of sorrowful remorse, that we are worthy of Salvation.
You seem to be clinging to the misunderstanding that to "repent" means to attempt to convince God, through demonstrations of sorrowful remorse, that we are worthy of Salvation.
Finally, a decent response!
You always need to understand who the verse is speaking about.
Who are the "we" ... every Tom, Dick, and Harry sittin' in the church pews?
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;
and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
Jesus is talking about those who have a reciprocal knowing relationship with Him.
Jesus is talking about those who follow Him.
Jesus says those who do His commandments are those who love Him.
Anyone goin' to heaven who doesn't love Jesus?
And on and on it goes.
You always need to understand who the verse is speaking about.
Who are the "we" ... every Tom, Dick, and Harry sittin' in the church pews?
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;
and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
Jesus is talking about those who have a reciprocal knowing relationship with Him.
Jesus is talking about those who follow Him.
Jesus says those who do His commandments are those who love Him.
Anyone goin' to heaven who doesn't love Jesus?
And on and on it goes.
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Another rare decent response.
Yes, of course, God chastens His elect ... warning them to shape up.
If they do not, then they are NOT His elect.
His elect will tow the line.
Everyone else who does NOT just ain't part of the elect.
Yes, of course, all the many warnings are ONLY for His small group of elect ones.
Yes, of course, God chastens His elect ... warning them to shape up.
If they do not, then they are NOT His elect.
His elect will tow the line.
Everyone else who does NOT just ain't part of the elect.
Yes, of course, all the many warnings are ONLY for His small group of elect ones.
S
You make the same mistake that every legalist makes. You assume that grace means you are free to sin as much as you want. The fact is that saved by grace means that you no longer want to sin. Anyone who loves sin more than righteousness needs to get saved.
The other mistake of the legalist is to think that you can ever be good enough. You can never be good enough by your efforts. The law even says that if you are guilty in one small point you are guilty of the whole law.
There is no choice except grace. Without grace all of us would be doomed to Hell.
The other mistake of the legalist is to think that you can ever be good enough. You can never be good enough by your efforts. The law even says that if you are guilty in one small point you are guilty of the whole law.
There is no choice except grace. Without grace all of us would be doomed to Hell.
K
I have already had this hash out with you and given you multiple scriptures in the past that you have not accepted, so I am not going to rehash it again with you hince why I asked the question.
The question is to open the door to go research why these were said to believers, but I will help you out as the three main ones I am talking about now are in: 1 Corinthians, Hebrews, and James
Also the question is what do those words mean to you, do they mean eternal life or spiritual death ???
The question is to open the door to go research why these were said to believers, but I will help you out as the three main ones I am talking about now are in: 1 Corinthians, Hebrews, and James
Also the question is what do those words mean to you, do they mean eternal life or spiritual death ???
K
It is not my responsibility to make you believe anything I tell you, as it comes down to you, Word of God, prayer, and being revealed the truth by the Holy Spirit.
Which is why I give you the heads up on where to read, so that you can take and read it for yourself and let God show it to you.
I will help out a little more as I will give the chapters, take it as a bible study to take in and meditate on:
1 Corinthians 8, Hebrews 10, and James 5
Which is why I give you the heads up on where to read, so that you can take and read it for yourself and let God show it to you.
I will help out a little more as I will give the chapters, take it as a bible study to take in and meditate on:
1 Corinthians 8, Hebrews 10, and James 5
Try again....some are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh yet the spirit is stilled SAVED IN THE DAY OF CHRIST....there are no scriptures in context that teach the loss of salvation....none...yet there are many in context that uses verb tense that sets forth a present continuing result from a past completed action!