Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?

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What up with this thread? Oh just another anti-OSAS.
 
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I'd say that you have no idea what it means to follow Jesus!
Oh my goodness. Luke 6:42

Do you even have any idea what Jesus has done in her life? Oh wait, no. Don't answer that.
 
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(Groan) Another OSAS topic in disguise...if it isn't it will soon turn out to be one.

it's relentless

you can imagine how Paul had his work cut out for him and why he finally got real steamed and said he wished that the Judaizers would just go all the way and not just nip off the foreskin

I figure he was pretty ticked off to make to make that remark....:p
 
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You are correct, I have nothing at all to say.
I am simply quoting Scripture, which you have turned a deaf ear to.
well go ahead and insult someone who actually does know what they are talking about

I'm sure it's not your intention to make friends here, but you should know that most of us are ready to hurl when it comes to the subject matter you have chosen to fiddle with

I am starting to think that posters who consistently come to this forum...or any forum....with the sole object of teaching (won't get into whether right or wrong...cause that is meat for a debate in and of itself) have absolutely no interest in actually discussing a thing

I have noticed that insults...such as the one in the quote above...are quick to fly...IMO, this demonstrates a considerable lack of respect...let alone love...for other believers

Which, leads me to believe that posters who start such threads as this, most likely believe that those who respond with questions or worse...a differing viewpoint...are not believers..so of course it becomes just fine and dandy to lash out, malign, twist what is stated and otherwise attempt to kick sand in the eyes

Please do not attempt to convey the authorship of the Holy Spirit in what you write...don't insult Him
 
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Oh my goodness. Luke 6:42

Do you even have any idea what Jesus has done in her life? Oh wait, no. Don't answer that.
Exactly. Legalists don't give Jesus His due therefore they fail to see His glorious works upon us.
 
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Good Morning All.


I guess I need to live my life according to the Word of God because it is to confusing trying to listen to everyone on here. Always be obedient to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. If I have a problem with the Word of God then I take in prayer and seek presence of God. Confusion is not of God, but folks trying to interpret the Word of God with opinions. I am guilty of that as well. The Word of God is about instructions and teachings. The old testament and new testament support each other because like a coin one side is the old and the side the new, but ONE coin.

Then you must be here to correct us all?

How refreshing!
 
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Exactly. Legalists don't give Jesus His due therefore they fail to see His glorious works upon us.
believe you me, If I could not be assured beyong ANY DOUBT whatsoever, that I was going to heaven, I would be that way to. I would do anything to make sure I was one of the ones going to heaven, even if that meant tearing down someone else to make myself look better.
 
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"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life;
it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life."

Yes, when Jesus was blasting the Laodicean church in Rev 3,
He invited those church members to knock on His door and come in and fellowship with Him.
(BTW, this is another criteria for salvation ... the reciprocal "knowing" of each other.)
Note: This invitation was NOT to unbelievers as the churches teach!
Ah yes...blasting

Now I see where the (assumed) license to blast others comes from

You ain't Jesus! and you are also not sinless

and definately not the prophet you think you are

don't deny it...who else but a prophet would fancy they speak for God?
 
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Don't you understand that I am trying to warn those in churches
who do NOT keep His commandments,
but who think they are saved and going to heaven.
yup

prophet...

told you

never ends well
 
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Another rare decent response.

Yes, of course, God chastens His elect ... warning them to shape up.
If they do not, then they are NOT His elect.
His elect will tow the line.
Everyone else who does NOT just ain't part of the elect.

Yes, of course, all the many warnings are ONLY for His small group of elect ones.

shall we assume, then, that you are elect...mind you, I think I pretty much already covered that

I wish you folks would just stop it and put some effort into loving believers BECAUSE they are a part of the body of Christ whom you state you love

Listen: if you cannot love your brother whom you can see, don't come here saying you are here to warn us...you are not warning out of love, but out of false humility

I can tell that by your choice of unkind words

I have been somewhat sarcastic...please forgive me for that...it could have been worse though
 
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The answer to your question is found in John 5:24

Amen and John 3:16, John 3:36, Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2, Galatians 2 etc......verb tense, context, the words of Jesus, the words of David.......and on and on and on!
 

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I recently moved from the USA ... happy now?
Hmm! Your profile says "Canadian" and living in BC. So are you using my country's flag to promote an American agenda? Or are you no where near BC?

When someone comes onto CC and starts railing about American issues which have nothing to do with Canada, with a Canadian flag, it really undercuts the rest of what they are saying. As in - if you can't trust what they say about their nationality, how can you trust anything they say???

We won't even go into the fact that every single American I know that has moved to Canada has proudly displayed their American flag, their citizenship, and one I know won't even celebrate our Thanksgiving. My DIL has lived here for over 10 years, and is still very proud to be an American, and would never display a Canadian flag for her home flag.

Or are you just trying to hide your identity because you have been banned here before? A bit too suspicious to me!
 
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In reply to the OP question, I would say that the pastor is deceiving his people out of ignorance.
 
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Hmm! Your profile says "Canadian" and living in BC. So are you using my country's flag to promote an American agenda? Or are you no where near BC?

When someone comes onto CC and starts railing about American issues which have nothing to do with Canada, with a Canadian flag, it really undercuts the rest of what they are saying. As in - if you can't trust what they say about their nationality, how can you trust anything they say???

We won't even go into the fact that every single American I know that has moved to Canada has proudly displayed their American flag, their citizenship, and one I know won't even celebrate our Thanksgiving. My DIL has lived here for over 10 years, and is still very proud to be an American, and would never display a Canadian flag for her home flag.

Or are you just trying to hide your identity because you have been banned here before? A bit too suspicious to me!
Has John Zain been here before? I would bet everything I own that this person is John Zain. If not he knows John Zain,because his template,"funny dialect" Dere,da, da foist, and extreme hatred for OSAS is EXACTLY the same.

If dis ain't da one and da only John Zain from San Diego, I am goldi locks!
 
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Has John Zain been here before? I would bet everything I own that this person is John Zain. If not he knows John Zain,because his template,"funny dialect" Dere,da, da foist, and extreme hatred for OSAS is EXACTLY the same.

If dis ain't da one and da only John Zain from San Diego, I am goldi locks!
I don't know who is John Zain Zain from san diego but his arguments are all based on scripture hence they should betaken seriously.
 
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That's why if we really love our fellow humans :happy:
We will not allow any false teaching or falls doctrines deceived them
John: 5. 44. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Mark: 1. 1. The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2. As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mark: 10. 17. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Romans: 13. 1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

:smoke: if someone knew how to save your soul :whistle:
:hmm: do you think his/her conscience would allow him/her :think:
 
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I don't know who is John Zain Zain from san diego but his arguments are all based on scripture hence they should betaken seriously.

Hi Pat

I take scripture seriously...in fact, that is the most serious I get

However, in order for me to take what a person posts seriously, they need to line up their thoughts with scripture when posting

so...

yeah
 
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Hi Pat

I take scripture seriously...in fact, that is the most serious I get

However, in order for me to take what a person posts seriously, they need to line up their thoughts with scripture when posting

so...

yeah
I have no idea what you mean however I must confess taht I did not read the entire thread in detail.
 
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I have no idea what you mean however I must confess taht I did not read the entire thread in detail.

oh

I thought you knew what you were talking about

for the record, just because someone goes to the trouble to post reams of scripture, it does not mean they have a valid point or that they are a teachers

this fellow, is teaching and most of us do not agree with his viewpoint
 
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:smoke: When it comes to to saving souls :whistle:
:hrmm: the last thing thing we do remember is ask about the scriptures :happy:

According to saulo este Paul
1 Corinthians: 15. 1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

2 Corinthians: 10. 13. But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
14. For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
15. Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
16. To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand.
17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
18. For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.