Can liars and thieves still make heaven?

[Yet]

Acts 8:18. When Simon saw when the apostles by merely laying on hands conferred the Spirit, he pulled out his money, excited and said, 'sell me your secret. Show me how you did that. How much do you want? Name your price.'

Peter said 'take your money and go. Why that's unthinkable. Trying to buy Gods gift You'll never be part of what God is doing by striking bargains and offering bribes and donations. Repent and now. Ask God to forgive you for trying to use God to make money. You stink with money lust.'

Repeat in case you missed it: Ask God to forgive you for trying to use God to make money!! They that are doing so, which are hirelings, will never be a part of what God is really doing!

Ive been to religious meetings where table after table were loaded down with 'stuff' to buy in order to help you with your walk with Christ.

Some meetings you couldn't get in to because of what they charge at the door. The poor be hung! These special blessings were for the well to do only! Welcome to the den of thieves. Get a whip!

Money changers changing your money from your wallet to theirs. Making money off of God stuff. Some getting rich off of God stuff. But the irony is this. Much of what the stuff is isn't God anyhow! And what little there might be that is God's stuff is laid on a false foundation of acquiring by purchasing. Getting the mentality that the bigger buck buys the bigger bang from God!! That's not of God. It's of satan and he loves it!

Hello!!? Anybody home? Anybody smelling a rat yet? Can't you see that this prevalent gospel of mammon is 'another gospel', not the one first delivered unto the saints? Taking from widows their 2 mites and calling it God! Satan plunging the poor into distress and using the church system to do it? Are they not hurting bad enough already? Thanks a lot 'church'! Babylon, Babylon...your fall is near!! Drunk with the blood(life) of the saints.

The gathering is to be a refuge for the poor but it is a refuge for that Guy that quit his job, put a title in front of his name and tells everyone that God told him that everyone else is suppose to support him with tithes and offerings. Give me a break...a very long and needed one!

Anybody can do that. Anyone that knows how to dance a great monologue for 40 minutes. How dumb can sheep be. I guess we haven't seen anything yet!

I guess gain is godliness. That would leave Paul out in the cold. The most ungodly man that ever lived according to the 'church's' philosophy!

Again, there are many 'pastors' that mean well with a pure heart but they really need to study this out and see that they are operating contrary to the word of God!
Be free! Be blessed! Escape the system that binds!

 

[Yet]

Some say that those that know they are lying about tithing, like the one I referenced, in order to steal from the flock, are forgiven as they subvert(destroy) whole houses, devour widows incomes, and defraud the poor of their wages.

You say because he is a child of God, all will be forgiven, for living off the backs of others by deception and theft.

Screwing up other people's lives by placing them under a law/curse. See: Galatians.

Multitudes of young people seeing their parents struggle because of tithing, so they drop Christ altogether.

Many families forced into bankruptcy. Google it.

Pay day is coming for the hirelings and wolves but not in the form of another fat offering. Warning!

 

[Jayoish]

Will liars and thieves still make heaven?

Simple question!

A better question, can you tell me where to find it in the Bible that we are going to be taken to heaven?

Simpler question!

 

[Ahwatukee]

A better question, can you tell me where to find it in the Bible that we are going to be taken to heaven?

Simpler question!

"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am". (John 14:1-3)

* The Father's house would indisputably be in heaven

* Jesus said that he is going to the Father's house to prepare a place for us

* Jesus is coming back to take us with him so that we can be where he is, which would be at the Father's house

And here is the event where that takes place:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words. (1 Thes.4:16-18)

 

[Yet]

Proverbs 13:11 Wealth gotten by dishonesty shall be diminished, but he that gathers by labor shall increase.

 

[DiscipleDave]

A better question, can you tell me where to find it in the Bible that we are going to be taken to heaven?

Simpler question!

There are NO Scriptures that teach we will be taken to Heaven. When Christ comes back to get the Church, the Father, Jesus Christ, and all the Saints will be living in the New City Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven to the Earth, and rests over where Jerusalem is now. Again, there is not one verse that teaches we go to Heaven. We will be with Jesus forever abiding with Him, in the place that He is preparing for us. And not only for us, but Jesus is preparing that place for His Father to be there too. Jesus will hand all the Kingdoms of the world to His Father, On Earth, out of the Holy City. Four Rivers will come out of the Holy City to the North, to the South, to the East, and to the West. These rivers will water the entire Earth, These rivers will compass the entire Earth, any land adjacent to the rivers will be like that of the Garden of Eden, with the Tree of Life growing on both sides of the river.

It is a false doctrine that teaches we go to Heaven to be with Jesus, We will be with Jesus, reigning over the inhabitants (the 144,000 and their offspring) of the entire Earth. The Earth will abide forever.

^i^ responding to post # 103

 

[DiscipleDave]

"Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am". (John 14:1-3)

* The Father's house would indisputably be in heaven

* Jesus said that he is going to the Father's house to prepare a place for us

* Jesus is coming back to take us with him so that we can be where he is, which would be at the Father's house

And here is the event where that takes place:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words. (1 Thes.4:16-18)

The Fathers House is the Holy City Jerusalem that comes down from Heaven to reside on the Earth forever.

^i^ responding to post # 104

 

[VioletReigns]

Will liars and thieves still make heaven?

Simple question!

Simple answer: No flesh has access to eternity.

 

[breno785au]

Simple answer: No flesh has access to eternity.

No corrupted flesh Jesus was taken up in flesh and bone with a glorified body.We will be ressurected and given our glorified bodies and be with Him for eternity.

 

[james57]

There are NO Scriptures that teach we will be taken to Heaven. When Christ comes back to get the Church, the Father, Jesus Christ, and all the Saints will be living in the New City Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven to the Earth, and rests over where Jerusalem is now. Again, there is not one verse that teaches we go to Heaven. We will be with Jesus forever abiding with Him, in the place that He is preparing for us. And not only for us, but Jesus is preparing that place for His Father to be there too. Jesus will hand all the Kingdoms of the world to His Father, On Earth, out of the Holy City. Four Rivers will come out of the Holy City to the North, to the South, to the East, and to the West. These rivers will water the entire Earth, These rivers will compass the entire Earth, any land adjacent to the rivers will be like that of the Garden of Eden, with the Tree of Life growing on both sides of the river.

It is a false doctrine that teaches we go to Heaven to be with Jesus, We will be with Jesus, reigning over the inhabitants (the 144,000 and their offspring) of the entire Earth. The Earth will abide forever.

^i^ responding to post # 103

Considering how plainly the core of the above is written, it is surprising how many do not know it

 

[pwrnJC]

Yet...wow...this is just one of many that you offer NO hope here. All of your comments are on the negative side and I have, in the past, responded to many. It seems like you think of yourself as a modern day prophet, more like Jeremiah, who kept warning others constantly about their sins. Jeremiah was anointed and spoken to by GOD Himself...the question is: WHO died and made you a prophet?

 

[Ahwatukee]

There are NO Scriptures that teach we will be taken to Heaven.

Sure there is:

"In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. Jesus ascended back to heaven, which is undoubtedly where the Father's house is. Then at the Father's timing, Jesus will come back to take all believers back to the Father's house, so that where he is, we may be also, which would be heaven.

"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus said the above verse in response to the faith of the centurion, citing that the faithful will come from all nations and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of heaven. This feast is synonymous with when Jesus said at the last supper regarding the wine, "I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again, until I drink in anew with you (all believers) in my Father's kingdom.

The resurrection and catching away of the dead and living in Christ will take place just as it is prophesied and believers will be in heaven during that last seven years. During that time, the church will appear before the Bema seat of Christ for our works and will receive their robes of righteousness to wear (Rev.19:6-8) and then we will return to the earth following the Lord riding on white horses when Christ returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom (Rev.19:11-21).

A thousand years later and after the great white throne judgment, then there will be a new heaven, new earth and a new Jerusalem that the faithful will dwell in.

 

[james57]

Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’[SUP][a][/SUP] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. [SUP]2[/SUP]I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling-place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death”[SUP][b][/SUP] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.’ Rev 21:1-4

 

[biblicalsandy]

Are we in these days? Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

 

[VioletReigns]

Simple answer: No flesh has access to eternity.

No corrupted flesh Jesus was taken up in flesh and bone with a glorified body.We will be ressurected and given our glorified bodies and be with Him for eternity.

The things which are seen are temporary. The things which are unseen are spirit and are eternal. Anything that is not of the spirit of Jesus Christ has no access to eternity. Nobody gets to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

 

[breno785au]

The things which are seen are temporary. The things which are unseen are spirit and are eternal. Anything that is not of the spirit of Jesus Christ has no access to eternity. Nobody gets to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

Yes, but Jesus' physical body ascended into heaven, the tomb is empty and He proved Himself before the disciples He was not spirit.

 

[Yet]

Matt. 23:14 woe unto you 'pastors', hypocrites, for you force widows to tithe on their skimpy SS check and for a pretence, end the service with a long prayer. Therefore you shall receive the greater damnation. (Modern English.Mine)

The thread: Will liars and pulpit thieves still retain eternal life at the end of the day?

 

[Yet]

Proverbs 12:13 the wicked is snared by the transgression of his own lips....

 

[valiant]

Are we in these days? Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

yes it happened at Pentecost and after.

 

[valiant]

Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’[SUP][a][/SUP] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. [SUP]2[/SUP]I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

And who is the bride beautifully dressed for her husband? THE CHURCH OF TRUE BELIEVERS. WE are the holy city.