Christians are not required to keep the law.

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eternally-gratefull said:
I am done,

If you have no desire to discus romans 1. Then we have nothing further to discuss.

I told you I did not want to argue, so have fun in your christian walk. Thats on you.. I will do what God asks me to do. and not be bound by any law.. No law will ever make me righteous, or do one good deed. Only God can do that.

But to each his own, God bless

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I discussed all your points even the lies you made up as to what I stated. I have already told you, you cannot refute the core terms of the new covenant from rom Ch1
You never did refute rom 10:4 did you, that's in romans.

No law will ever make you righteous, amen as i have consistently told you. Unfortunately you fail to understand
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4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.Galatians 5

galatiaons asks, why go back to law. acts 15 asks, when was a gentile give the full law. and why would you claim to be saved by grace a gift. yet use law to define ,what a sin is.

before you come back with something,regarding law, acts 10, do you see repent or that word being used, to the gentile listeners.before the holy spirit was given. if you want to mix and match history. then your going to need an oxygen mask.
history is there for a reason.
 
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Jesus was asked about eternal life a few times, his reply

Matthiew 19
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”18 “Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

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25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

both times Jesus referred them to the Law.
 
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Jesus was asked about eternal life a few times, his reply

Matthiew 19
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”18 “Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

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25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

both times Jesus referred them to the Law.
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Yes, but look at what He was asked: "what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

If it is doing, i.e, obedience, then the measuring stick of righteousness is the law. In fact, if you think you can gain heaven by law, then sell all you have and give the money to the poor. That's loving your neighbor as you sinfully love yourself. Hence the law requires only agape and no self-love. Self-seeking is the essence of Lucifer's system of self, not God's.
 
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Roberth said:
Yes, but look at what He was asked: "what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

If it is doing, i.e, obedience, then the measuring stick of righteousness is the law. In fact, if you think you can gain heaven by law, then sell all you have and give the money to the poor. That's loving your neighbor as you sinfully love yourself. Hence the law requires only agape and no self-love. Self-seeking is the essence of Lucifer's system of self, not God's.
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so Jesus was wrong or are you saying we should disobey what the great teacher says here? im not understanding your response.
 
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so Jesus was wrong or are you saying we should disobey what the great teacher says here? im not understanding your response.
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Mat 19:25-26 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" (26) But Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

It really is impossible for man to attain salvation, that's why we have a Savior who died for our sins...His name is Jesus.
 
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2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Shalom
 
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Mat 19:25-26 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" (26) But Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

It really is impossible for man to attain salvation, that's why we have a Savior who died for our sins...His name is Jesus.
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i have read that to but no where does Jesus say the law is not meant for you to follow.

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible
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how do we know Jesus didnt mean, with the Father, following the law is possible? maybe its both, i dont have the answers, im just posting things i learn.
Jesus spent a lot of time teaching from the law, quoting from the law and all the rest of it. the law was a big part of His teaching. and with that being said i believe the law is important for me to follow and live my life by. i fail at it everyday but i still hold it in high regard. for me to think the law is not meant for me would be no different than thinking all Jesus taught was not meant for me.
 
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i have read that to but no where does Jesus say the law is not meant for you to follow.



how do we know Jesus didnt mean, with the Father, following the law is possible? maybe its both, i dont have the answers, im just posting things i learn.
Jesus spent a lot of time teaching from the law, quoting from the law and all the rest of it. the law was a big part of His teaching. and with that being said i believe the law is important for me to follow and live my life by. i fail at it everyday but i still hold it in high regard. for me to think the law is not meant for me would be no different than thinking all Jesus was not meant for me.
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The heart of the law is meant for all christians, that law is within you, that is why you agree with it, and want to obey it. That law can be summed up in love God and love your neighbour, but aspects of those two are on your heart and mind, the law of God if you like is part of your dna under the new covenant. Of course it is unthinkable not to want to follow it.
But obeying I cannot save you, or keep you with Christ, or bring you to attain heaven. You only have one righteousness before God the whole of your christian life, faith I his son. Why is this so? Why has a law of righteousness ( obeying the law/not committing sin) been removed from you? Because it is part of you dna if you like to want to obey. In your heart you want to obey God, because that is so, he has removed the penalty of sin from you.
No one who in their heart wants to obey God can use the knowledge the penalty of sin being withdrawn from them as a licence to sin. You agree with and want to keep the heart of the law, for that law has been placed within you.
Therefore, Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop. The heart of the law( bot the legalistic law) exists within you, but you righteousness is christ
 
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Mat 19:25-26 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" (26) But Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

It really is impossible for man to attain salvation, that's why we have a Savior who died for our sins...His name is Jesus.
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I love how jesus did things like this to get us to think.

He forced us to say, then who can be saved (If we must be obedient according to the law)

Jesus was trying to get us to stop thinking about how to heal ourselves to inherit eternal life. But how to look to God to heal us.. With God all things are possible.
 
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i have read that to but no where does Jesus say the law is not meant for you to follow.
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Are you perfect? If not. Then you have failed to live up to the requirement of the law. And this thought should lead you to Christ as you understand your a sinner with no hope (the purpose of the law)



how do we know Jesus didnt mean, with the Father, following the law is possible? maybe its both, i dont have the answers, im just posting things i learn.
Jesus spent a lot of time teaching from the law, quoting from the law and all the rest of it. the law was a big part of His teaching. and with that being said i believe the law is important for me to follow and live my life by. i fail at it everyday but i still hold it in high regard. for me to think the law is not meant for me would be no different than thinking all Jesus taught was not meant for me.
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Jesus answered, By saying if we listened to moses (the law) and the prophets. we would see him. That is what the law was for. to lead us to Christ.

So it is reasonable for jesus to continue to teach drom the law. for it speaks of him, and hsould have led the people to him, But they were to proud, and did not think they needed him, because they interpreted the law wrong. They thought it made them good enough, so they did not need a savior.

thats what following laws do, it gives you a false sense of security. or it proves your guilty, which is no security at all.
 
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james57 said:
Therefore, Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, not full stop. The heart of the law( bot the legalistic law) exists within you, but you righteousness is christ
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I think you would get more mileage with your message (and save yourself a lot of typing) if you would make a distinction between the law and the spirit. The law represents the will of the spirit, but it is not the spirit. The spirit dwells in our hearts and is able to communicate to us its will independent of the written law, even though sometimes it may use the 10 commandments to remind us of something. Christ is the end of the law. Period. Full stop. The new law is life itself. Abide in it in grace through faith, or die.
 
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jaybird88 said:
Jesus was asked about eternal life a few times, his reply

Matthiew 19
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”18 “Which ones?” he inquired.Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

and

Luke 10
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

both times Jesus referred them to the Law.
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That was said to someone under the old covenant in which keeping the law was required. Such is not the case under the new covenant.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Are you perfect? If not. Then you have failed to live up to the requirement of the law. And this thought should lead you to Christ as you understand your a sinner with no hope (the purpose of the law)
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i am far from perfect which would would be all the more reason to try and obey the law. without law one is lawless and in that chaotic state would be





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Jesus answered, By saying if we listened to moses (the law) and the prophets. we would see him. That is what the law was for. to lead us to Christ.

So it is reasonable for jesus to continue to teach drom the law. for it speaks of him, and hsould have led the people to him, But they were to proud, and did not think they needed him, because they interpreted the law wrong. They thought it made them good enough, so they did not need a savior.

thats what following laws do, it gives you a false sense of security. or it proves your guilty, which is no security at all.
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it makes no sense it all that we need Jesus yet do not need His teachings. the Father referred to His son as a great teacher, how can we accept the teacher and not accept the teachings?
 
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jaybird88 said:
so Jesus was wrong or are you saying we should disobey what the great teacher says here? im not understanding your response.
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Jesus answered their question. If you want heaven by doing something, then you must keep the law. But if you fail, you must die....
 
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The bible is very clear that the Commandments of God were given to the Hebrews, and not christians. I believe if you look in Exodus, or Leviticus. I don't really get the point of heated discussions involving the law, if Christians aren't even meant to keep the law to gain salvation in the first place?
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You can't be happy if you don't obey the commandments. Sin destroys us.
 
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Vital said:
The bible is very clear that the Commandments of God were given to the Hebrews, and not christians. I believe if you look in Exodus, or Leviticus. I don't really get the point of heated discussions involving the law, if Christians aren't even meant to keep the law to gain salvation in the first place?
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the bible is clear the law was given to the Jews to be a nation of priest so they could be an example to other nations to follow, nations that had fallen from our Lord. the Hebrew bible gives examples of those that were not Jewish that followed the Jewish example back to the Father and thus back to the laws they had fallen from.
 
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Lots of good responses, didn't think I'd get this many responses to begin with, but these are really good responses, its good for people to realize that the Law was given to Israelites to follow, and Christians to attest to gaining such a deep faith by following faith, but as well as acknowledging the law with their heart. Nothing wrong with wanting to follow the law, you will not be contended by showing your faith to God, and nothing wrong with attempting to live a faithful Life to God. The law in my opinion is good, but same as showing faith to God and your lord Christ.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I think you would get more mileage with your message (and save yourself a lot of typing) if you would make a distinction between the law and the spirit. The law represents the will of the spirit, but it is not the spirit. The spirit dwells in our hearts and is able to communicate to us its will independent of the written law, even though sometimes it may use the 10 commandments to remind us of something. Christ is the end of the law. Period. Full stop. The new law is life itself. Abide in it in grace through faith, or die.
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I don't want to get into another lengthy debate on this subject, id like a rest lol! And you are welcome to see it your way. But when I read the bible I see

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness /justification
The law has been written on the mind and placed on the heart of the christian
Whichever way a person wishes to understand what is written is fine, I accept it as written, for me my personal life bears out what is written.
I will be replying to benftwv in the other thread later today and will go into detail there if you wanted to know in a more detailed way my thoughts
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Thread title is: Christians are not required to keep the law.
It should read: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. are not able to keep the law.

Fixed it for ya. :)

Romans 3:10
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