A study on the ten commandments

[WarriorForChrist]

He is quoting the ten commandments! So I ask again, does it only have value when Jesus says it?

Why is this such an issue for you. If you want to be bound by law then go for it. If you want to practice the sabbath on Saturday by all means have at it. As long as you have a relationship with Jesus then that is between you and Him.

But don't claim that other Christians are worshiping other Gods or stealing or lying just because we don't obsess over the Ten Commandments. Us living in Christ know, from our love for Christ and others, that we wouldn't do those things. It is inside us and apart of us because of the HS.

 

[JesusLives]

I have a few questions

~1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?


2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?


3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?

4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?

Once we have answered 1-4 I wanna go into more detail about the ten commandments.

5) What is an idol?

6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)

7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?

8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them? Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?

That's all I have for now. Please pray before posting and keep it civil. None of these questions are sarcastic in any way. I am looking for honest answers for all of them.

Thanks.

~1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?

Yes, the 10 Commandments are important otherwise why would God take the time to speak them from Mt. Sinai and write them in stone with His own finger. The vast majority of Christians have been raised to worship on Sunday but in the beginning worship was on the 7th day Sabbath instituted by God at creation. The Catholic church plainly states they changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Genesis 2:2By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

By the time God wrote the 10 Commandments down they were a reminder to the Israelites who had been in bondage for hundreds of years in Egypt notice how the commandment is worded closely to the 7th day creation words.

Exodus 20:8-11King James Version (KJV)[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

My computer likes to delete things so I am going to post one question at a time to try not to loose my writing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And you misunderstand Acts 15 completely also...

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

The question was circumcision. If you think that Acts 15 states all that is incumbent on Gentiles, then consider this...

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

So, if you contend that is the Law for the Gentiles, then a Gentile can have other Gods, curse God and take His Holy name in vain, break the Sabbath, murder, steal, lie and lust? How's about explaining this?

Silly. Circumcision wasn't an unbearable yoke. It was done when an infant was 8 days old, and then it was done forever never to be thought about again except in admiration that it made one a member of the old covenant. Circumcision, though, bound one to keep the whole law of the covenant, i.e., the law of Moses. And that is the yoke that the pharisees in Acts 15 were trying to get the gentile believers to bear.

Acts 15:19-20 refers to the Noahide laws that Jews required gentiles to observe before they were allowed to worship in the synagogues.

Again, Acts 15 absolutely proves that gentiles were never under the law of Moses.

 

[JFSurvivor]

Why is this such an issue for you. If you want to be bound by law then go for it. If you want to practice the sabbath on Saturday by all means have at it. As long as you have a relationship with Jesus then that is between you and Him.

But don't claim that other Christians are worshiping other Gods or stealing or lying just because we don't obsess over the Ten Commandments. Us living in Christ know, from our love for Christ and others, that we wouldn't do those things. It is inside us and apart of us because of the HS.

This is an issue for me because it is confusing. Read the questions in the OP and you will understand.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Acts 15 only proves they did not have to keep the law to be saved as in Acts 15:1 also they did not have to be circumcised.


*James 2:12 KJV*
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This says we are to be judged by the law of liberty. What is this law? Read the context it is the ten commandments.

The 10 commandments are the law of Moses, what Peter called an unbearable yoke in Acts 15. This is the law of liberty that frees us from the law of Moses.

However, if you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. James 2:8​

 

[eternallife7]

1 Timothy 1:9 says that the law is written for the ungodly not for believers in Christ. Repent and fear God who keeps the sinner under the law.

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JFSurvivor

I have a few questions



2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?

JesusLives Reply


What does Jesus say?

John 14:~15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Even in the end of the verse He is saying He will pray and ask God to send us a Helper - the Holy Spirit which enables us to keep them when HS is dwelling within us.

Titus 3:5King James Version (KJV)[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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[Laodicea]

So you will be judged by the Ten Commandments?

You could perfectly obey the ten commandments( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell.
There is nothing in those commandments about forgiving others, but Jesus said if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven.

And to say heaven is attained by obeying the ten commandments shows you are blinded to the truth.
The ten commandments were the ministration of death according to Paul. Yet you are trying to recreate the old covenant and tell people they have a righteousness of obedience to those laws. I hope you don't sway anyone with your false message

*James 2:11 KJV*
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James is pointing us to the ten commandments as the royal law the law of liberty. If we have the robe of Christ we can stand.

 

[james57]

*James 2:11 KJV*
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James is pointing us to the ten commandments as the royal law the law of liberty. If we have the robe of Christ we can stand.

Did you not read my post?

You could perfectly obey the ten commandments( if that were possible) and still be condemned to hell

 

[Grace777x70]

And just what are the commandments of Jesus now in the New Covenant?...Ahhh..John tells us what they are..

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

There you go..now everyone is free to live from the life of jeus in them and those 10 commandments would be fulfilled in you.

Let those 10 commandments go out of your mind and learn about Jeus and to know HIm only......


2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Originally Posted by JFSurvivor

I have a few questions



2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?

JesusLives Reply


What does Jesus say?

John 14:~15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

Even in the end of the verse He is saying He will pray and ask God to send us a Helper - the Holy Spirit which enables us to keep them when HS is dwelling within us.

Titus 3:5King James Version (KJV)[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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[WarriorForChrist]

1 Timothy 1:9 says that the law is written for the ungodly not for believers in Christ. Repent and fear God who keeps the sinner under the law.

I think what she is saying is the ten commandments aren't part of the law. So the discussion should be if the Ten Commandments are apart of the law or separate?

 

[james57]

*James 2:11 KJV*
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James is pointing us to the ten commandments as the royal law the law of liberty. If we have the robe of Christ we can stand.

Verse ten is good:

For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
Now read verse 11

For he who said. Do not commit adultery also said do not murder. If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder you have become a law breaker


Do you perfectly obey the law without stumbling at just one point?

If you don't, you are guilty of breaking the whole law-all of it
Context is good!

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JFSurvivor

I have a few questions


3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?

JesusLives Reply

Revelation 11: 19And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Hebrews 9:4 states that the Ark contained "the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.

I am not sure that Revelation stated the contents of the Ark of the Covenant but the contents are listed in Hebrews. The only tablets I know of were the 10 Commandments written on stone.

I know that when Jesus died that the sacrificial laws were not effective anymore because Jesus was our sacrifice and we no longer need to kill animals for the remission of sin. Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for us. I don't know about the 600 mosaic laws and admit I don't know or have all the answers.

Romans 5:~[SUP]18 [/SUP]Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

 

[Grace777x70]

How many 10 commandments can we name of the top of our heads without looking them up?....what is the 7th one?..the 3rd...the 9th?

I bet not too many of us Christians could name the 10 commandments....here is my thoughts on that..it's because the Holy Spirit will not help you..His job is to reveal Jesus to us.

John 16:13-15 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.[SUP]15 [/SUP] "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

 

[eternallife7]

I think what she is saying is the ten commandments aren't part of the law. So the discussion should be if the Ten Commandments are apart of the law or separate?

The beatitudes replaced them. The beatitudes are well able to govern. Christ says whoever teaches men to obey the law is considered great in the Kingdom. Here is how you obey them you live by the New Testament alone. It is so sad that I am typing the truth and we have all sinned so much people find the truth hard to believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the ten commands are a part of the law. In fact it is part of the law written in stone, Which Moses and God demanded the children of Israel confirm and obey every word written, or they would be under a curse.

The curse Paul states in Galatian's that God removed from us when Christ because a curse for us when he hung on that tree.

the question is many fold

1. Should we live a life which obeys the commands? Yes
2. Can we obey them the way God demands? No
3. What is it we should do to live a life obeying them. By following them. or as Jesus said, By the law of love, which would not break a command.

 

[Billyd]

I have a few questions

1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?

2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?

3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?

4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?

Once we have answered 1-4 I wanna go into more detail about the ten commandments.

5) What is an idol?

6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)

7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?

8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them? Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?

That's all I have for now. Please pray before posting and keep it civil. None of these questions are sarcastic in any way. I am looking for honest answers for all of them.

Thanks.

I'll answer your questions in order.

1a. Are all the commandments important? Yes, they are written in the entirety in scripture twice, an referenced many times.

1b. Why is the Sabbath day deemed as unimportant? It is not deemed unimportant. The discussion today is primarily and the day and how we celebrate it. Deu 5:13 and 14a. says "Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God". For me that day has always been Sunday because my work week ends on Saturday. For others they choose Saturday for their Sabbath because they try to maintain the same day as in the days of Moses. I have no problem with that. If we take the commandment at face value, we must work six days. I think that most people today don't do that. We must also cease any work in our household. I don't think that many of us do that. Col 2:16 says "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:". If you are comfortable with the way that you are remembering the Sabbath, and you feel that God is telling you to remember it that way, then by all means do it that way.

1c. Why does no one talk about not coveting either? I'll leave that to you.

2. Should we still obey all of the commandments today? Yes. Do we need to keep a running check list? No. If we follow Jesus, and love as He love us, then there is no doubt that you will keep the commandments. Is our Salvation dependent on how well we keep them? No. John 3:16.

3. Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws? IMHO and I believe supported by scripture, the Mosaic Laws are provided to tell the Israelites how to keep the commandments. Jesus replaced them wit the love commandment when he fulfilled the letter of the law as our sacrifice on the cross.

4. Why were the ten commandments set apart, written by Gods own hand in stone, and then put in a really pretty box? I believe that my answer to 3. answers this. The "pretty box" was to remind His people that He was and would be with them. I would ask you this. Why did God take back the "pretty box" and let His Son die a terrible death on a cross?

5. What is an idol? IMHO, anything that we worship other than God. I'll leave the rest to your imagination. I'm sure that we can look around where we are sitting and identify many that we may now or have in the past worshiped. See Deu 5:8-9.

I hope that I have answered your questions.

 

[Grace777x70]

Nothing replaces Jesus...not 10 commandments..not beatitudes..it's His life and His life alone that brings life to us. We live by Him alone!!!

John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

The beatitudes replaced them. The beatitudes are well able to govern. Christ says whoever teaches men to obey the law is considered great in the Kingdom. Here is how you obey them you live by the New Testament alone. It is so sad that I am typing the truth and we have all sinned so much people find the truth hard to believe.

 

[james57]

The beatitudes replaced them. The beatitudes are well able to govern. Christ says whoever teaches men to obey the law is considered great in the Kingdom. Here is how you obey them you live by the New Testament alone. It is so sad that I am typing the truth and we have all sinned so much people find the truth hard to believe.

Carry each others burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ Gal 6:2

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JFSurvivor

I have a few questions


4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?

JesusLives Reply

I don't know.....They had to be special otherwise why did God take the time to write them Himself? I see the 10 as the rules of God's government. The first four show our love and loyalty toward God and the last six show our love toward our fellow man. The two commandments that Jesus said summarized the 10.


Matthew 22:37-40New International Version (NIV)[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and greatest commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]40[/SUP]All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”