The law of God is not the problem, it's sin!

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Even though I posted scripture that plainly shows the curse is putting oneself back UNDER law, spirit-truth prefers stating sin is the curse


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What is putting yourself under the law? I think only those converted Jews could do that. Not eat pork, don't work on the sabbath, get circumcized. How is: Love God, love your neighbour, don't steal etc. putting yourself under the law? Oh I'm so glad the law is done away, now I can hate God and have other gods before Him. Duh?
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
In Mark 9:43-48 weread “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:[SUP]44 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]45[/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:[SUP]46 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:[SUP]48 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

Their worm that does not die is sin. Jesus said in John 8:24 “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

So the removal of sin is necessary so we do not die in our sins. And that is where Jesus came in for us, who was also made to be sin for us. 2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

Which is also why Jesus is shown as a worm in Psalm 22:6 “But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.”

The word worm there in Psalm 22 is Strongs H8438 shown in the following manner: scarlet (34x), worm (8x), crimson (1x). Bible usage…worm, scarlet stuff, crimson, worm - the female 'coccus ilicis', scarlet stuff, crimson, scarlet, the dye made from the dried body of the female of the worm "coccus ilicis".

There are some interesting symbolisms found in this worm “coccus ilicis” But the message here in the color is significant in unlocking the mystery of why we see a Red Dragon, and scarlet colored beast in scripture.
The reason being is because the Lord showed sin in mankind as red, just as Adam means “earthy, red”

Notice what the Lord says here in Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”

Our old sinful man was to be crucified with Jesus, thus destroying the body of sin. Romans 6:6 “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”

And when we are raised up a new man in Christ and washed, we are given new white garments which are meant to be kept clean from being spotted by the flesh.
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The worm is a soul of a man. And, as you pointed out Jesus Christ used a different word for "worm" in Psalm 22:6.

His blood is crimson or red. And that particular worm that Jesus Used is different then a maggot. And it is very interesting to know what this "worm" goes through in its life cycle.

The worm only lays eggs ONCE in her lifetime. She attaches herself to a TREE, which is a permanent attachment, and her shell protects her eggs and her DEAD body provides nourishment for her children. When the mother dies she oozes a crimson or red die that permanently stains the young. After three days the crimson colored mother turns white and falls to the ground. (Like snow?)

Interesting analogies here. And it doesn't sound like the worm is sin to me.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
And my answer was right here...
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not exactly, if you say it confirms all have sinned then you are implying that it is saying all have sinned but we can stop sinning but that's not what the verse says does it? it says if anyone claims to be without sin, if you believe in perfection and believe yourself to be sinless that you never sin anymore then well- this scripture says otherwise. He didn't say if anyone claims to have never sinned he said if anyone claim to be without sin
 
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Why would Jesus tell people to sin no more if it was impossible?
To say one sins no more is not saying one has never sinned.
 
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Why would Jesus tell people to sin no more if it was impossible?
To say one sins no more is not saying one has never sinned.
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I think it's realistic to say that Jesus was telling her to not commit adultery anymore.
 
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I think Jesus want's all of us to be perfect (without sin), The world would be heaven. I'm not saying it is possible by ourselves.
 
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Can we believe in righteousness by Faith and believe in obedience to the law at the same time, or do they contradict each other.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I think it's realistic to say that Jesus was telling her to not commit adultery anymore.
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Is it realistic to think we can stop committing one sin but not another?

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." Can we?
 
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Can we believe in righteousness by Faith and believe in obedience to the law at the same time, or do they contradict each other.
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If we walk in the spirit we will do the righteous deeds of the law.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
If we walk in the spirit we will do the righteous deeds of the law.
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I don't believe they contradict each other. The Law is righteousness and God's Grace gives us righteousness by faith. By keeping the law you are Showing that grace is working in you.
 
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I don't believe they contradict each other. The Law is righteousness and God's Grace gives us righteousness by faith. By keeping the law you are Showing that grace is working in you.
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I would word it a little differently: By walking in the spirit you are Showing that grace is working in you.
 
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yeah, we can't keep the law without the spirit
 
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I think Jesus want's all of us to be perfect (without sin), The world would be heaven. I'm not saying it is possible by ourselves.
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The only way we can be perfected is by abiding in Christ. It is written of Christ, that "in Him" is no sin, so we cannot abide "in Him" and abide "in sin" at the same time. Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. Again, the only way for this to be possible is by we abiding "in Christ" and Christ abiding "in us". Christ is One with the Father, and by Christ in us, and we in Him, we also shall be perfected in One.

John 17:22-23[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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yeah, we can't keep the law without the spirit
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The true "law" (written upon the heart) is the Spirit ..the written code (ten commandments) was only a shadow...
 
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Magenta said:
Is it realistic to think we can stop committing one sin but not another?

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." Can we?
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is it realistic to believe that we will never again sin not even once? The sinless perfection doctrine demands to be sinless, sure one can say they don't sin anymore but if they do they can ask for forgiveness but see then the sinless perfect doctrine is greatly flawed because if you mess up even once your sinless perfect doctrine is only true so long as you don't mess up.

we sin in our thoughts all the time, we subconsciously sin by being judgmental I mean i despise it when people judge others by appearance but I even catch myself subconsciously seeing two people and thinking one is better looking than the other which is a sin. In our minds we sometimes without even meaning to think thoughts about others that is not Christ like which is sinning, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to never sinning.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
The only way we can be perfected is by abiding in Christ. It is written of Christ, that "in Him" is no sin, so we cannot abide "in Him" and abide "in sin" at the same time. Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. Again, the only way for this to be possible is by we abiding "in Christ" and Christ abiding "in us". Christ is One with the Father, and by Christ in us, and we in Him, we also shall be perfected in One.

John 17:22-23[SUP]22 [/SUP]And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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What do you think it means to be made perfect?
"Made perfect in one", 100% christ and 0% me = 100% perfect,
 
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Mitspa said:
The true "law" (written upon the heart) is the Spirit ..the written code (ten commandments) was only a shadow...
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So are you saying the spiritual law (True law) written on our hearts are the fully reviled version of the ten commandments (shadow), The spirit writing the spiritual version of the ten commandments.
 
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TMS said:
What do you think it means to be made perfect?
"Made perfect in one", 100% christ and 0% me = 100% perfect,
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I believe what Jesus was talking about us being made perfect in One is shown here...

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
 
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The problem isn't the Law or sin, the problem is us.
 
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