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Blain

Blain

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resurrection33 said:
Place? Does place have to be a physical entity? If I have a beautiful life and am secure with the Lord, isn't that a place?
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What is heaven and where is it? in my view heaven to me is where God and I are finally together arms in arms in his lap. They say home is where your heart is my heart is there on his lap in his arms we could be in hell itself but if I am in arms I am home.
but even so whenever he and I are connected deeply and our are pouring our deep and intimate feelings for each other even as I just lay in bed which has happened many times I am in heaven. heaven for me is not a place or a certain scenario it's wherever he is whether that's on earth or his kingdom this life or the next
 
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resurrection33

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Willie-T said:
If John is convinced he experienced, or is experiencing, Heaven, then is this really a necessary thing for others to hear? Is it "The Gospel?" It might actually lead another to feel they are not really saved if they have not experienced the same thing. Kind of like some Pentecostals telling others they spoke in tongues at conversion, and that if they don't also.........
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We mature as we grow older and come to have a better understanding of the Lord's ways. I would like to believe I have a better understanding than I did twenty or forty years ago. Back then these words, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” meant little to me. Now I see what happens when I repent. Is it dangerous to tell others? It's great news.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Place? Does place have to be a physical entity? If I have a beautiful life and am secure with the Lord, isn't that a place?
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That is certainly my understanding.... as opposed to a particular "location" off in space, somewhere.
 
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coby

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Blain said:
The belief that one is without sin period they never sin and teach and preach that if you sin you are living in sin and sin has power over you and you are not saved. Literally you sin once and that's it, most of the people who teach this believe themselves to be on a holy pedestal
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Do they preach that? I saw one who attained that, but he didn't say others weren't saved and he died shortly after that. Weird that's always with these people, like God just takes them to heaven then.
 
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Willie-T said:
In truth, "The Gospel" is hardly ever taught from the pulpit at our church (or anywhere in our denomination).... maybe twice a year. But it is "preached" almost every day by the members.
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I love listening to Charles Stanley (In Touch Ministries) on TV.
 
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Blain said:
I have been in many churches and honestly in most of them the name Jesus Christ is rarely ever said in the pastors sermons
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I wish I would hear it more in my church, also.
 
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Blain said:
The belief that one is without sin period they never sin and teach and preach that if you sin you are living in sin and sin has power over you and you are not saved. Literally you sin once and that's it, most of the people who teach this believe themselves to be on a holy pedestal
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Of course we all have sinned. And I suspect everyone is like me and struggles with temptation. And we don’t always win those struggles. But we need to keep trying. Sin always leads us somewhere we don’t want to be.
 
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Willie-T said:
Not "lack of faith", but a faltering faith in all he feels was shown him, and his total confidence and trust in it's validity. I, for instance am sure I actually, physically met Jesus, but if after telling that, only to be laughed at a hundred times, I might find that my "assurance" might become a little less positive....... IF I did not know how to hold onto that facet of my faith.
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Okay, so you are saying John should continue to witness to what he has experienced, I believe.
 
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You must understand the work of the cross. Without it you are in limbo
 
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Blain said:
What is heaven and where is it? in my view heaven to me is where God and I are finally together arms in arms in his lap. They say home is where your heart is my heart is there on his lap in his arms we could be in hell itself but if I am in arms I am home.
but even so whenever he and I are connected deeply and our are pouring our deep and intimate feelings for each other even as I just lay in bed which has happened many times I am in heaven. heaven for me is not a place or a certain scenario it's wherever he is whether that's on earth or his kingdom this life or the next
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Yes. When I am looking for a word to call the "place" we go when we die, I use "resurrection."
 
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resurrection33 said:
Okay, so you are saying John should continue to witness to what he has experienced, I believe.
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If the "resistance" to his message doesn't get to him.... Go for it! God may have sent people right to him who will receive that sort of message with open arms.
 
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The only message is the cross
 
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Kaycie

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Jesus says to those who will not hear, dust off your shoes and walk away. The good news is not forced onto anyone- it has to be their free will choice to hear and accept it- but that is their answer, at least for now, not to accept it. The word of God does not come back empty, it comes back with an answer.
 
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sharkwhales

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Regarding the first post, sometimes it's what you say and sometimes it's how you say it. I'm not sure what was considered unbiblical. Heaven is considered in scripture to be a real place and I don't think you have to say it isn't in order to validate your experience. God's kingdom and dominion is expanding from heaven, to earth through christ, and outward over the earth through those who are christ's.
 
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RobbyEarl said:
The only message is the cross
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[34] But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sad'ducees, they came together.
[35] And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:34-40 RSV
 
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sharkwhales said:
Regarding the first post, sometimes it's what you say and sometimes it's how you say it. I'm not sure what was considered unbiblical. Heaven is considered in scripture to be a real place and I don't think you have to say it isn't in order to validate your experience. God's kingdom and dominion is expanding from heaven, to earth through christ, and outward over the earth through those who are christ's.
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Heaven is real. As for it's being a place, you can be in the most beautiful place imaginable, but if you haven’t repented of your sin, you’re not going to be happy.
 
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Luke 16:19-31
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
[SUP]28 [/SUP] for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

There is a Heaven and there is a Hell.
 
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Mec99 said:
Luke 16:19-31
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
[SUP]28 [/SUP] for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
[SUP]30 [/SUP] And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

There is a Heaven and there is a Hell.
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Yes, there is a heaven and hell. Heaven is peace of mind. Hell is torment. These are just as real as the chair you are sitting on. Maybe more real.
 
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