Jesus and women

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Doggone... is it cherry-pickin' season already?
Well, I was just pointing out what Paul was actually saying. Some just pick one cherry and live off of that for years, but they need to eat the words as the same way they eat at their dinner table. Nobody just sit at the table and just take one bite and say that they are full. And that is what they are doing when they just choose one verse and call it quits.
 
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Well, I was just pointing out what Paul was actually saying. Some just pick one cherry and live off of that for years, but they need to eat the words as the same way they eat at their dinner table. Nobody just sit at the table and just take one bite and say that they are full. And that is what they are doing when they just choose one verse and call it quits.
My point is that if you are going to attempt to make one of Paul's off-hand comments that is not even much more than a correction for a specific church, a law for all of us today... then you had better be prepared to make everything said, a law.
 

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He noted that women never had any problem with Christ.
This seems like inference to me. There's been plenty of times women had problems with me and didn't tell me, while a man would tell me. Women might have had problems with Jesus and just didn't say anything, or weren't allowed to comment, or their comments weren't recorded.

I tend to think morally men and women are about the same, just acting different on the surface.

I definitely agree that the emphasis on men in the NT doesn't mean women believers weren't just as important. Being the most visible doesn't mean being the most important.
 
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According to the film Davinci Code Jesus fathered a child with Mary Magdelene though I highly doubt it. The film Last Temptation of Christ also talks about Jesus's shall we say..."fleshly desires". Some people think all the sexual stuff in Song of Solomon (canticle) is about Magdelene but my pastor said its a metaphor for the passionate love between God and the church. Women didn't have the same rights as men in most nations back in those days, kings had many wives, concubines, and even slaves.
 
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According to the film Davinci Code Jesus fathered a child with Mary Magdelene though I highly doubt it. The film Last Temptation of Christ also talks about Jesus's shall we say..."fleshly desires". Some people think all the sexual stuff in Song of Solomon (canticle) is about Magdelene but my pastor said its a metaphor for the passionate love between God and the church. Women didn't have the same rights as men in most nations back in those days, kings had many wives, concubines, and even slaves.
*sigh* Up to your old tricks?
 
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This davinci code has zero to do with the original discussion.........
 
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Preacher brought a decent message this morn. Jesus and women. He pointed out something that I'd never considered, and I love and appreciate when that happens from the bible.
Talking about Mary Magdalene and her role before and after Christ's death.
He noted that women never had any problem with Christ. Every single time someone gave Him trouble it was a man. And that's true.
But then Jezebel or my 2nd ex wasn't around then either. ;)
This seems extra-biblical... just because it doesn't say so doesn't mean he didn't have problems from them....men and woman are both equal to God in being sinful humans.....when preachers run out of material they have to concoct wild inferences of things that aren't in the text....which is adding to God's word....

as for prophesy God can use men or women....He chooses who He wants the important thing is to listen....
 

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Preacher brought a decent message this morn. Jesus and women. He pointed out something that I'd never considered, and I love and appreciate when that happens from the bible.
Talking about Mary Magdalene and her role before and after Christ's death.
He noted that women never had any problem with Christ. Every single time someone gave Him trouble it was a man. And that's true.
But then Jezebel or my 2nd ex wasn't around then either. ;)
A tip of the hat to Mary the Mother of Jesus the most blessed woman of all...imagine, carrying around the Creator of the universe for nine months in your womb...NO, I'm not Roman Catholic :)
 
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It is also wonderful to note that women were safe in Jesus' company.No flirtation, innuendo, harrassment or overt staring.The way christian women should feel around their brothers.
 
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...He noted that women never had any problem with Christ. Every single time someone gave Him trouble it was a man...
So? It pretty much was a man's world then, women probably didn't even get the chance to be a pain. Fact is women take as much offense to the gospel as men do, maybe even more nowadays; we're all sinners (Rom 3:23). Your point doesn't prove women are more special than men, so let's not start another feminst theology over this. We're all one in Christ. (Gal. 3:28)
 
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According to the film Davinci Code Jesus fathered a child with Mary Magdelene though I highly doubt it. The film Last Temptation of Christ also talks about Jesus's shall we say..."fleshly desires". Some people think all the sexual stuff in Song of Solomon (canticle) is about Magdelene but my pastor said its a metaphor for the passionate love between God and the church. Women didn't have the same rights as men in most nations back in those days, kings had many wives, concubines, and even slaves.
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So? It pretty much was a man's world then, women probably didn't even get the chance to be a pain. Fact is women take as much offense to the gospel as men do, maybe even more nowadays; we're all sinners (Rom 3:23). Your point doesn't prove women are more special than men, so let's not start another feminst theology over this. We're all one in Christ. (Gal. 3:28)
There seems to be no end to people that find fault with a post. How do you explain all the other women in the old testament? Jezebel, for starters.
You are making an incredibly ignorant premise here.
Feminist theology? I point out that Women loved Christ (Luke 8:2,3 23:27 24:10, for starters) And He loved them and you accuse me of starting feminist theology?
You think my point was to prove women are more special than men?
You're pretty special yourself. Makes me believe you'll be voting for bernie.
 
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This seems extra-biblical... just because it doesn't say so doesn't mean he didn't have problems from them..............................
I see. So, altho the bible doesn't say He had trouble with women, for you to think He did, isn't extra-biblical?
I tell ya, some of you folks need to get on your knees and examine your hearts.
Turning over rocks to find non-existent faults is not something a believer should be doing. Want me to fetch scripture for you on that?
 
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According to the film Davinci Code Jesus fathered a child with Mary Magdelene though I highly doubt it..........................
You "highly doubt it"? So you're saying there is room in your mind for you to believe He might have?
There are a whole bunch of people on this forum that should have their nose in the bible instead.
I cannot believe the idiotic responses this simple post has brought.
 
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My point is that if you are going to attempt to make one of Paul's off-hand comments that is not even much more than a correction for a specific church, a law for all of us today... then you had better be prepared to make everything said, a law.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.


35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?


37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.


39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.


40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


I think if someone that wants to preach by using that ole' language that is hard for modern English speaking people to understand, should go back to college and take up Shakespeare; maybe they can get a feel of it. Here some writings of George Washington in somewhat that ole' language, that was in transition of becoming modern English. f you have read some of Abraham Lincoln's speeches, he had used some of that ole' style language, because at the time, transitioning was becoming modern English because of this country that the people were uneducated and started using broken down English and which modern English is broken down English; only the wealthy and the educated in those times had used that old language, but at the time it were considered as proper English. I know somebody that speaks that language very well, and believe me, you will not be able to keep up with it, because it is spoken very very fast like as if it were some foreign language.


And remember this, the republic did not gave birth to Washington. And so, son of man or the son of God and which son means "Brought forth" and which Adam had said when he had his first son. But overtime, things has changed, like how we worded our words. Like the word that the old south has used for calling the Blacks, "N" word, was a mistranslated word for Negro. Because of the one that whom started the trend was uneducated, they did not understand Spanish.

Presently I heard a voice saying, "Son of the Republic, look and learn," while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly, I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a stranger scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world — Europe, Asia, Africa and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.


"Son of the Republic," said the same mysterious voice as before, "look and learn." At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel, standing or rather floating in mid-air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a cloud raised from these countries, and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people. Washington's Vision






In Shakespearean English, thou/thee/thy/thine were used for second person singular, and you/your/yours were used for second person plural. In modern English, you is used for both singular and plural. Why did English stop using thou? historical linguistics - Why did English stop using thou? - Linguistics Stack Exchange
 
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I believe that it should be a sin that if anybody tries to use that language without any understandings of it. Just imagine if the Bible were never translated, that there will be a lot of people pretending that they understand it, but doesn't.
 
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I see. So, altho the bible doesn't say He had trouble with women, for you to think He did, isn't extra-biblical?
I tell ya, some of you folks need to get on your knees and examine your hearts.
Turning over rocks to find non-existent faults is not something a believer should be doing. Want me to fetch scripture for you on that?
I examined my heart.....and it is doing great with God.....here is something for you to ponder....were all the people yelling "crucify him, crucify him" all male? Come on! Let's be real....

"As for non-existent faults" I am only pointing out that it never says explicitly "Jesus never had problems/had women hate him" please dust off the concordance and tell me where that verse exists...bingo it doesn't. For a preacher to make a sermon off a non-existent verse is kind of lame....we don't need to add to the word of God to learn from it....it's all ready there to instruct....we don't need extra-verses (or in this case made up ones/inferences...)

2 Timothy 2:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

As for attacking didymos....what does voting for Bernie Sanders have to do with his response?????
Your verse about women loving Jesus....hey what about the 12 disciples and Lazarus....I guess they got sidelined....
The point is like didymos said women and men are both sinners compared to Jesus....and in need of His grace....to infer

"...He noted that women never had any problem with Christ. Every single time someone gave Him trouble it was a man."

is a mass generalization because I guarantee that some women were screaming crucify him crucify him..... for pastors to be throwing inferences around instead of teaching from the text (the actual Word) is un-biblical....
 

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My point is that if you are going to attempt to make one of Paul's off-hand comments that is not even much more than a correction for a specific church, a law for all of us today... then you had better be prepared to make everything said, a law.
I agree. The whole women being silent in church thing is taking entirely out of its context .. people are just swallowing the erroneous doctrine that have been fed all their lives instead of doing the research to find out that when Paul wrote these letters, he was specifically addressing the churches of Corinth and Ephesus.. the cherry picking is real
 
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I examined my heart.....and it is doing great with God.....here is something for you to ponder....were all the people yelling "crucify him, crucify him" all male? Come on! Let's be real....

"As for non-existent faults" I am only pointing out that it never says explicitly "Jesus never had problems/had women hate him" please dust off the concordance and tell me where that verse exists...bingo it doesn't. For a preacher to make a sermon off a non-existent verse is kind of lame....we don't need to add to the word of God to learn from it....it's all ready there to instruct....we don't need extra-verses (or in this case made up ones/inferences...)

2 Timothy 2:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

As for attacking didymos....what does voting for Bernie Sanders have to do with his response?????
Your verse about women loving Jesus....hey what about the 12 disciples and Lazarus....I guess they got sidelined....
The point is like didymos said women and men are both sinners compared to Jesus....and in need of His grace....to infer

"...He noted that women never had any problem with Christ. Every single time someone gave Him trouble it was a man."

is a mass generalization because I guarantee that some women were screaming crucify him crucify him..... for pastors to be throwing inferences around instead of teaching from the text (the actual Word) is un-biblical....
While I largely agree with what you have said here it is difficult to overlook the fact that you have contradicted yourself on the one hand to say, teach only from what is explicitly written, while at the same time on the other hand guaranteeing the truth of something that is not written. :(