A POWERFUL testimony against Christian Patriarchy--men can NOT dominate women
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No of course not, but there is a controlling spirit behind it. If men have that it's bad, but if a man doesn't and the wife starts to control him there's also a demon behind it. That's why wives have to obey their husbands. It's just like kids standing up to their parents, it's rebellion and that's witchcraft, so you open the door for that.
It's good that men aren't so controlling anymore as they were more than a century ago, but now it's the other way around. At least here in Holland. We helped a couple in church once who had marriage problems. They didn't have enough money for 2 cars. The man had to drive for hours to his job, she had a job nearby and could take the bus or the bike, but nope, when I asked why he had to get rid of his car she said: oh but he can take mine the days I don't have to work.
It's good that men aren't so controlling anymore as they were more than a century ago, but now it's the other way around. At least here in Holland. We helped a couple in church once who had marriage problems. They didn't have enough money for 2 cars. The man had to drive for hours to his job, she had a job nearby and could take the bus or the bike, but nope, when I asked why he had to get rid of his car she said: oh but he can take mine the days I don't have to work.
FROM ladylynn, post #132:
Both will be following the Holy Spirit and neither one will be over bearing to each other.
If they do get into a disagreement they will again focus on Christ and be able to resolve the issues because they will obey Christ above themselves.
There is no "modern liberal feminist" wife trying to usurp authority. And there is no overbearing macho Apha husband trying to force his authority.
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Yes, and this breaks my heart.
I really think this attempt to resolve should apply to us all,
as well as husband and wife, but unfortunately, I've made some Major mistakes, and been misunderstood, too.
Sometimes I think I've been guilty of what someone mentioned earlier, ... Simply not knowing, or perhaps to what degree, that
someone else may have been mistreated, or even abused,
and my insensitivity, (among other 'stupididities')
caused a break, a sort of divorce of friendship,
seemingly a permanent break
that should have never, ever happened.
What I wouldn't do to be able to go back in time
and undo so many things I've said and done wrong.
Unfortunately, mistakes can be made by one,
but reconciliation still takes two. (3 really, I need Jesus)
I've prayed often, and I do get moments of temporary
reprieve, the joy of the Lord, maybe sometimes,
and I thank Him if that feeling comes, but
in general, I end most days still feeling kinda sad and alone,
very remorseful, with no way to make things right, and I have
no one to blame but myself.
Both will be following the Holy Spirit and neither one will be over bearing to each other.
If they do get into a disagreement they will again focus on Christ and be able to resolve the issues because they will obey Christ above themselves.
There is no "modern liberal feminist" wife trying to usurp authority. And there is no overbearing macho Apha husband trying to force his authority.
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Yes, and this breaks my heart.
I really think this attempt to resolve should apply to us all,
as well as husband and wife, but unfortunately, I've made some Major mistakes, and been misunderstood, too.
Sometimes I think I've been guilty of what someone mentioned earlier, ... Simply not knowing, or perhaps to what degree, that
someone else may have been mistreated, or even abused,
and my insensitivity, (among other 'stupididities')
caused a break, a sort of divorce of friendship,
seemingly a permanent break
that should have never, ever happened.
What I wouldn't do to be able to go back in time
and undo so many things I've said and done wrong.
Unfortunately, mistakes can be made by one,
but reconciliation still takes two. (3 really, I need Jesus)
I've prayed often, and I do get moments of temporary
reprieve, the joy of the Lord, maybe sometimes,
and I thank Him if that feeling comes, but
in general, I end most days still feeling kinda sad and alone,
very remorseful, with no way to make things right, and I have
no one to blame but myself.
A lesson from a dad with daughters. These bundles of joy, come into the world fully armed with emotional manipulation.
Guys on the whole are dumb, just plain stupid victims of "Have you done ...." "What about ...." "I get so annoyed when ...."
Then come the head to one side the drippy eye, "please dad."
It was like they could feel a solution.
Now for guys we have to learn all this stuff, train ourselves, dedicate time and effort to see what is going down and work through it. They say guys are 2 years behind girls in emotional maturity.
Now have a son its totally different, tasks, toys, games, problems, trains, doing stuff. If anything this gooey stuff is just boring or not sure what it is about.
Now put these two together in a marriage and it can easily go pear shaped, unless you through in forgiveness, faithfullness, servant hood and all the normal christian walk things. In our culture today people when it hurts deeply can walk away, but that often is walking away from themselves and the deepest things they have in their lives. Because we care so much, it often makes us very blind to the obvious.
Guys on the whole are dumb, just plain stupid victims of "Have you done ...." "What about ...." "I get so annoyed when ...."
Then come the head to one side the drippy eye, "please dad."
It was like they could feel a solution.
Now for guys we have to learn all this stuff, train ourselves, dedicate time and effort to see what is going down and work through it. They say guys are 2 years behind girls in emotional maturity.
Now have a son its totally different, tasks, toys, games, problems, trains, doing stuff. If anything this gooey stuff is just boring or not sure what it is about.
Now put these two together in a marriage and it can easily go pear shaped, unless you through in forgiveness, faithfullness, servant hood and all the normal christian walk things. In our culture today people when it hurts deeply can walk away, but that often is walking away from themselves and the deepest things they have in their lives. Because we care so much, it often makes us very blind to the obvious.
I do not believe this. We are what we are. There is a deep truth, the most controlling people are the most insecure, and control gives them a sense of things are predictable. If you know how to dominate another, there is no fear they will leave you or do something you do not like. If you are dominated you know at least someone wants you around even though it is hard.
But both positions have not respected themselves as of value and worthy of love and respect or that the other party needs love and grace in their lives.
Making everything into demons, is just superstition. It also avoids getting to grips with need and knowing you are loved. If your partner does not truly love you, why are you together and how did it go so wrong?
But both positions have not respected themselves as of value and worthy of love and respect or that the other party needs love and grace in their lives.
Making everything into demons, is just superstition. It also avoids getting to grips with need and knowing you are loved. If your partner does not truly love you, why are you together and how did it go so wrong?
C
Only very controlling is a demon behind it. Rebellion is sin of witchcraft. That's quite demonic.
And yes it's fear.
I had to stay with my parents for a week when I was 40 or so. I was on internet, my dad comes downstairs and gets angry, I needed to go to bed. Felt like 16 again. My goodness. That was not demonic, he was just worried. It was cute. Those bossy people care about you.
And yes it's fear.
I had to stay with my parents for a week when I was 40 or so. I was on internet, my dad comes downstairs and gets angry, I needed to go to bed. Felt like 16 again. My goodness. That was not demonic, he was just worried. It was cute. Those bossy people care about you.
I think demons are involved in stuff, but mainly it is people. Take a simple example. If I spend too much time with my parents, they get very annoyed, and start sticking their heels in, even when it is obvious what should be done.
It is because someone has decided whatever they are feeling it is right, which is fine as long as you have enough space to adjust your reactions, when they go off the rails. If you are up close and personal all the time, there is no luxury, you have to balance things out internally and really understand what is going down.
I remember when I first got married I was used to always doing my own thing, but now the wife was there. It took a lot of fighting inside to learn to adjust and make space. Overtime you build and interact and become one, something very different. The problem is we are often so defended and boundaried, go over this line and I will blast you, is not uncommon.
Jesus calls us to say, yes it hurts, yes it is difficult, yes I understand and I forgive, and yes it is ok, can I help more?
To love despite ourselves is a choice of the will, and application of the cross. No joke it is hard. It does not happen because we are spiritual, or in praise, it comes because though we are hurt, we love, though we feel bowed down we reach out. It is not being a victim but knowing the pain in the other that is driving them to show such lack of care.
It is because someone has decided whatever they are feeling it is right, which is fine as long as you have enough space to adjust your reactions, when they go off the rails. If you are up close and personal all the time, there is no luxury, you have to balance things out internally and really understand what is going down.
I remember when I first got married I was used to always doing my own thing, but now the wife was there. It took a lot of fighting inside to learn to adjust and make space. Overtime you build and interact and become one, something very different. The problem is we are often so defended and boundaried, go over this line and I will blast you, is not uncommon.
Jesus calls us to say, yes it hurts, yes it is difficult, yes I understand and I forgive, and yes it is ok, can I help more?
To love despite ourselves is a choice of the will, and application of the cross. No joke it is hard. It does not happen because we are spiritual, or in praise, it comes because though we are hurt, we love, though we feel bowed down we reach out. It is not being a victim but knowing the pain in the other that is driving them to show such lack of care.
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Wow, thank you for these eye-(and heart)-opening posts!
I especially appreciate your wisdom in the highlighted parts.
(sorry for doing that, but I'm practicing to make my reply points clearer. Can't figure out any shortcuts to it).
I wish I was more in tune to these things long ago.
I always seem to be learning these kinds of lessons
after the fact, or after damage has been done, even
though it was unintentional.
As you said, ----To love, despite ourselves, is a Choiceof the will AND application of the Cross.
----(Yet, sometimes I feel I get more forgiveness
or leniency from non-believers, than from
our brothers and sisters of the Cross, and I don't understand that.)
Maybe it's because there's so many of us who
came to Jesus with so much pain and 'baggage',
that we have a harder time forgiving, letting go, and trusting.
I've been on both sides of that.
But when we see how much God loves us,
that He was willing for Jesus to die for us ;
applying, or at least trying to apply that love
and forgiveness should be our standard.
From here, I need to grow in grace,
and in the knowledge of Jesus, who loves us
and gave himself for us.
Praying for forgiveness and reconciliation for many
in the body of Christ today.
But sometimes I just want to shout, 'IT'S OKAY',
Jesus paid it all, He said 'It is finished'.
His mercies are new every morning.
It's funny, though, and I'm just being honest, but sometimes
I just want to be done with it all,
so tired, and IT IS hard, but then again,
I want to know what it's like to be filled with His Spirit,
and I'm hungry for love and feeling like I'm new and just starting out.
I guess I really don't know how to love as I should,
but I pray to,
and hope for that forgiveness and reconciliation,
and there's no room at all for 'christian patriarchy 'or 'dominance'.
We are one in Christ, and have the opportunity
by His grace, to show that forgiveness and equality, and to
let others see anew the truth and beauty of The True and Living
God and Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, and His love for them and us.
Thanks for these posts. Boy do I have a lot to learn!
I especially appreciate your wisdom in the highlighted parts.
(sorry for doing that, but I'm practicing to make my reply points clearer. Can't figure out any shortcuts to it).
I wish I was more in tune to these things long ago.
I always seem to be learning these kinds of lessons
after the fact, or after damage has been done, even
though it was unintentional.
As you said, ----To love, despite ourselves, is a Choiceof the will AND application of the Cross.
----(Yet, sometimes I feel I get more forgiveness
or leniency from non-believers, than from
our brothers and sisters of the Cross, and I don't understand that.)
Maybe it's because there's so many of us who
came to Jesus with so much pain and 'baggage',
that we have a harder time forgiving, letting go, and trusting.
I've been on both sides of that.
But when we see how much God loves us,
that He was willing for Jesus to die for us ;
applying, or at least trying to apply that love
and forgiveness should be our standard.
From here, I need to grow in grace,
and in the knowledge of Jesus, who loves us
and gave himself for us.
Praying for forgiveness and reconciliation for many
in the body of Christ today.
But sometimes I just want to shout, 'IT'S OKAY',
Jesus paid it all, He said 'It is finished'.
His mercies are new every morning.
It's funny, though, and I'm just being honest, but sometimes
I just want to be done with it all,
so tired, and IT IS hard, but then again,
I want to know what it's like to be filled with His Spirit,
and I'm hungry for love and feeling like I'm new and just starting out.
I guess I really don't know how to love as I should,
but I pray to,
and hope for that forgiveness and reconciliation,
and there's no room at all for 'christian patriarchy 'or 'dominance'.
We are one in Christ, and have the opportunity
by His grace, to show that forgiveness and equality, and to
let others see anew the truth and beauty of The True and Living
God and Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, and His love for them and us.
Thanks for these posts. Boy do I have a lot to learn!
Thankyou for this. After reading some peoples experiences it breaks my heart. Pain and betrayal are so bitter, but I do know Jesus can heal us there, if we let Him in and reach out. The great thing is the Lord is not into a pity party but a victory dance of joy, love conquering all. Now this is with tears, and empathy, and reaching some of the darkest places people go, but that is the Kingdom of God.
And I still learning to walk, one step at a time. To walk is to love, to love is to find Jesus flowing through you.
And I still learning to walk, one step at a time. To walk is to love, to love is to find Jesus flowing through you.
L
Wow, thank you for these eye-(and heart)-opening posts!
I especially appreciate your wisdom in the highlighted parts.
(sorry for doing that, but I'm practicing to make my reply points clearer. Can't figure out any shortcuts to it).
I wish I was more in tune to these things long ago.
I always seem to be learning these kinds of lessons
after the fact, or after damage has been done, even
though it was unintentional.
As you said, ----To love, despite ourselves, is a Choiceof the will AND application of the Cross.
----(Yet, sometimes I feel I get more forgiveness
or leniency from non-believers, than from
our brothers and sisters of the Cross, and I don't understand that.)
Maybe it's because there's so many of us who
came to Jesus with so much pain and 'baggage',
that we have a harder time forgiving, letting go, and trusting.
I've been on both sides of that.
But when we see how much God loves us,
that He was willing for Jesus to die for us ;
applying, or at least trying to apply that love
and forgiveness should be our standard.
From here, I need to grow in grace,
and in the knowledge of Jesus, who loves us
and gave himself for us.
Praying for forgiveness and reconciliation for many
in the body of Christ today.
But sometimes I just want to shout, 'IT'S OKAY',
Jesus paid it all, He said 'It is finished'.
His mercies are new every morning.
It's funny, though, and I'm just being honest, but sometimes
I just want to be done with it all,
so tired, and IT IS hard, but then again,
I want to know what it's like to be filled with His Spirit,
and I'm hungry for love and feeling like I'm new and just starting out.
I guess I really don't know how to love as I should,
but I pray to,
and hope for that forgiveness and reconciliation,
and there's no room at all for 'christian patriarchy 'or 'dominance'.
We are one in Christ, and have the opportunity
by His grace, to show that forgiveness and equality, and to
let others see anew the truth and beauty of The True and Living
God and Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, and His love for them and us.
Thanks for these posts. Boy do I have a lot to learn!
I especially appreciate your wisdom in the highlighted parts.
(sorry for doing that, but I'm practicing to make my reply points clearer. Can't figure out any shortcuts to it).
I wish I was more in tune to these things long ago.
I always seem to be learning these kinds of lessons
after the fact, or after damage has been done, even
though it was unintentional.
As you said, ----To love, despite ourselves, is a Choiceof the will AND application of the Cross.
----(Yet, sometimes I feel I get more forgiveness
or leniency from non-believers, than from
our brothers and sisters of the Cross, and I don't understand that.)
Maybe it's because there's so many of us who
came to Jesus with so much pain and 'baggage',
that we have a harder time forgiving, letting go, and trusting.
I've been on both sides of that.
But when we see how much God loves us,
that He was willing for Jesus to die for us ;
applying, or at least trying to apply that love
and forgiveness should be our standard.
From here, I need to grow in grace,
and in the knowledge of Jesus, who loves us
and gave himself for us.
Praying for forgiveness and reconciliation for many
in the body of Christ today.
But sometimes I just want to shout, 'IT'S OKAY',
Jesus paid it all, He said 'It is finished'.
His mercies are new every morning.
It's funny, though, and I'm just being honest, but sometimes
I just want to be done with it all,
so tired, and IT IS hard, but then again,
I want to know what it's like to be filled with His Spirit,
and I'm hungry for love and feeling like I'm new and just starting out.
I guess I really don't know how to love as I should,
but I pray to,
and hope for that forgiveness and reconciliation,
and there's no room at all for 'christian patriarchy 'or 'dominance'.
We are one in Christ, and have the opportunity
by His grace, to show that forgiveness and equality, and to
let others see anew the truth and beauty of The True and Living
God and Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, and His love for them and us.
Thanks for these posts. Boy do I have a lot to learn!
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[h=4]John 8:11[/h]…“Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
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When Jesus was on earth, a woman caught in the act of adultery was brought before Him by the scribes and Pharisees, the religious mafia of His day. They tried to trap Him by posing a question that was difficult to answer: “Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” (John 8:5)
Jesus answered, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” (John 8:7) The scribes and Pharisees began to leave one by one till none of them were left.
The people in the crowd who wanted to condemn the woman could not. But Jesus, the only one in the crowd who truly had the power to condemn her, would not. He then asked her, “Woman…Has no one condemned you?” (John 8:10)
He spoke such words of grace to her because He loved her. Also, by asking her the question, He was giving her a chance to speak words of no condemnation to herself—“No one [condemns me], Lord.” (John 8:11)
Jesus not only spoke words of grace to her, He also gave her the gift of no condemnation—“Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more”. It was when she received the gift of no condemnation that she had the power to “go and sin no more”.
Today, you have the gift of no condemnation because the Son of God was condemned for all your sins. (Romans 8:1) Today, God cannot condemn you when you sin because He is faithful and just to what His Son has done.
So if the devil tries to convince you that God is angry with you when you blow it, just say, “God does notcondemn me today because He has already condemned Jesus at the cross 2,000 years ago!”
Unfortunately, we still hear people saying, “Go and sin no more first, then I won’t condemn you.” Maybe you have been saying this to yourself too. But God says, “I don’t condemn you. Go and sin no more.” He gives you the gift of no condemnation, so that you have the strength to go and sin no more!
[h=4]Thought For The Day[/h]You have the gift of no condemnation because the Son of God was condemned for all your sins.
Destined to Reign Devotional
I suppose we can not deny Genesis 3, its a curse, because of sin from Eva and Adam, that the man will rule over women.
But with a big BUT
For christians Ephasians 5 should have a big role, if woman and man consider what stands there, we will have a fine marrige situation!
But as so often we forgot that we all are suffering under our own selfishness.
But with a big BUT
For christians Ephasians 5 should have a big role, if woman and man consider what stands there, we will have a fine marrige situation!
But as so often we forgot that we all are suffering under our own selfishness.