A POWERFUL testimony against Christian Patriarchy--men can NOT dominate women
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If it happens it's in a marriage and they'll obediently shut up about it, but I think you hardly see it anymore. In Holland if you see control it's most of the time the woman doing it.
Even my dad who's 80 sucks the dust and puts the cups in the cupboard now. He's still the boss though. Don't clean that up, that's my task!! My kids imitated him because they thought it was utterly funny.
There was one Dutch guy on a forum, he and his wife were feminists. My I've never seen such a controlling guy in my life. She has a daughter with a man from Brazil or something where it's normal that the man is the boss and he just tells his daughter what to do. So they find that abusive and he is not allowed to see his own daughter because their feminism is superior.
Even my dad who's 80 sucks the dust and puts the cups in the cupboard now. He's still the boss though. Don't clean that up, that's my task!! My kids imitated him because they thought it was utterly funny.
There was one Dutch guy on a forum, he and his wife were feminists. My I've never seen such a controlling guy in my life. She has a daughter with a man from Brazil or something where it's normal that the man is the boss and he just tells his daughter what to do. So they find that abusive and he is not allowed to see his own daughter because their feminism is superior.
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well I do have a good sense of humor so laughing is good along with that silly face, but that is not a classic comeback
I was thinking of getting it copyrighted
anyway, heres my post again and YOUR classic stock in trade answer
you're dressed in black and I'm represented by some kind of reddish color to avoid misrepresentation
Originally Posted by ember
popeye;2496750This whole thing is built on making a biblical protocal into situational conjecture.
Well, what whole thing do you mean exactly? That women look good with tape over their mouth? no...wait..
you probably mean that God actually made women a little lower then men
Does that include they must do whatever they are told? no? do you understand that is the exact 'tude of many so called Christian men and that is the reason for the backlash?
What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.
I think the biblical pattern is plain...but men take it too far and become the ruler of the home instead of the priest of the home. So what does a priest do? He intercedes...Jesus is our high priest and intercedes for us. Now someone tell me how a man is going to be a priest if he does not intercede..pattern there too. Maybe a study on intercession would clear up some of the mystery of why women become resentful
Well here is the problem.
If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.
uh...Christ does call us His friends..remember? That's truly a step above 'do what you are told' Honestly though, I don't follow the logic you present. I do not see how we end up being equal to Jesus. If we understand scripture, we understand we are IN Christ. Again, He is our High Priest. He presents us as spotless before God.
Know anyone who actually thinks of his wife that way? Loves her that much that he does not complain and would die for her? Most women I know, would cross the world for that man. Gee. Maybe that is why so many women find it easy to love Jesus while quite a few men stand off and say 'well I can love God but not like THAT.'
This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.
ah yes...you know, women with a mind of their own get called a feminist or told they have feminist ideals by men who seem to think a woman is just an appendage. So what should I do with my IQ 0f 130? I'm blond. I suppose I could flap my lashes more and do the Barbie thing..well then I would be a flirt. Can't win either way. I'm either too smart or too female.
Actually I'm just myself which can actually be more of a threat I've noticed. You know, one guy I knew, as a friend, said to me once (yes Christian by the way) that he didn't find me complicated at all (see guys have often told me they don't understand me which puzzled me) he said he thought I just wanted to be myself and felt the same about others.
Bingo. We have a winner. It's not that complicated. Men feel threatened and voila...it gets complicated. I am speaking generally now and not saying this is everyone all the time. That is not how I see or experience things at all.
In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.
I smell fear. Fear of loosing control.
Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
God is male? Yes? Funny how He has never once forced His will on me.
According to what I am reading from your post,there is no such thing as feminism.....or should we say ,per your perspective?
uh oh....looks like someone is avoiding all the details
classic MALE response
your turn
I was thinking of getting it copyrighted
anyway, heres my post again and YOUR classic stock in trade answer
you're dressed in black and I'm represented by some kind of reddish color to avoid misrepresentation
popeye;2496750This whole thing is built on making a biblical protocal into situational conjecture.
Well, what whole thing do you mean exactly? That women look good with tape over their mouth? no...wait..
you probably mean that God actually made women a little lower then men
Does that include they must do whatever they are told? no? do you understand that is the exact 'tude of many so called Christian men and that is the reason for the backlash?
What ends up happening with equal authority is that the man,by nature of having his authority removed,would be of course Required to relent in a DIS AGREEMENT since he WOULD NEED TO SHOW HOW HE REALLY IS A MODERN PLAYER IN THE "BIBLICAL" PATTERN.
I think the biblical pattern is plain...but men take it too far and become the ruler of the home instead of the priest of the home. So what does a priest do? He intercedes...Jesus is our high priest and intercedes for us. Now someone tell me how a man is going to be a priest if he does not intercede..pattern there too. Maybe a study on intercession would clear up some of the mystery of why women become resentful
Well here is the problem.
If we go along with this,then by this logic,CHRIST,would need to be our equal as well,since God forbid,he ever "dominated" us equals.
uh...Christ does call us His friends..remember? That's truly a step above 'do what you are told' Honestly though, I don't follow the logic you present. I do not see how we end up being equal to Jesus. If we understand scripture, we understand we are IN Christ. Again, He is our High Priest. He presents us as spotless before God.
Know anyone who actually thinks of his wife that way? Loves her that much that he does not complain and would die for her? Most women I know, would cross the world for that man. Gee. Maybe that is why so many women find it easy to love Jesus while quite a few men stand off and say 'well I can love God but not like THAT.'
This is nothing more than UN biblical feminism,prettied up for last days consumption by unsuspecting Christians.
ah yes...you know, women with a mind of their own get called a feminist or told they have feminist ideals by men who seem to think a woman is just an appendage. So what should I do with my IQ 0f 130? I'm blond. I suppose I could flap my lashes more and do the Barbie thing..well then I would be a flirt. Can't win either way. I'm either too smart or too female.
Actually I'm just myself which can actually be more of a threat I've noticed. You know, one guy I knew, as a friend, said to me once (yes Christian by the way) that he didn't find me complicated at all (see guys have often told me they don't understand me which puzzled me) he said he thought I just wanted to be myself and felt the same about others.
Bingo. We have a winner. It's not that complicated. Men feel threatened and voila...it gets complicated. I am speaking generally now and not saying this is everyone all the time. That is not how I see or experience things at all.
In order for the op to have any traction at all,we would need to throw out the dominion,authority,headship,of Christ over the man,in lieu of a FEAR,that some other diety was/has tainted that biblical concept through abuse of a God given protocol.
Therefore a Modern correction of heavens pattern with the "good intention" that by making man and God Equal we will satisfy a FEAR OF the obscure rareity that Proper treatment was ,in our human minds, thrown out by such abuses of Jesus and his leaders.
I smell fear. Fear of loosing control.
Which could easily be made,by forcing human reasoning into the bible.
God is male? Yes? Funny how He has never once forced His will on me.
According to what I am reading from your post,there is no such thing as feminism.....or should we say ,per your perspective?
uh oh....looks like someone is avoiding all the details
classic MALE response
your turn
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the obvious answer?
you are not female
you have no idea and I am not putting you down here
I am absolutely serious...take a look at the divorce rates among Christians...no not the nominal ones
the kind you think you are...whatever kind I think I am
abuse is real and happens much more then you might think....many women are ashamed and just say nothing
I know of a couple of cases like that myself...where, for example, the wife covered up the bruises with long sleeves and didn't say a thing until after 20 years of marriage ...that's just one example
you are not female
you have no idea and I am not putting you down here
I am absolutely serious...take a look at the divorce rates among Christians...no not the nominal ones
the kind you think you are...whatever kind I think I am
abuse is real and happens much more then you might think....many women are ashamed and just say nothing
I know of a couple of cases like that myself...where, for example, the wife covered up the bruises with long sleeves and didn't say a thing until after 20 years of marriage ...that's just one example
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I believe when both the husband and wife are following the Holy Spirits leading in what the Bible tells them., there will be agreement and harmony in their marriage. "Human reasoning" won't be "forced" into the family or the church. Why?? because both husband and wife will be following the Holy Spirit who teaches them the interpretation of all the truths in Bible. Both will submit because they love Jesus.
A man who is like Christ will be more masculine and a woman who is like Christ will be more feminine. Both will be following the Holy Spirit and neither one will be over bearing to each other. If they do get into a disagreement they will again focus on Christ and be able to resolve the issues because they will obey Christ above themselves. There is no "modern liberal feminist" wife trying to usurp authority. And there is no overbearing macho Apha husband trying to force his authority.
I believe we follow the Holy Spirit and not the letter of the law. We now follow Christ because we love and trust His ways and are not fearful., perfect love will cast out that fear. We now have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide us as we read the Bible. We no longer need the school master because we have someone totally better.,the Holy Spirit.
Without the Holy Spirit we would have the Bible just like the unsaved person and it would be a rule book not a love letter from God to us. We love God because He first loved us. We want to obey Him because we love Him.,and our spouse.
I worked with a guy who said he could never argue with his wife because she always won.
Abuse is just wrong, however it is done. The way you learn how to have good relationships you study the best example we have Jesus and His teachings, on the sermon on the mount.
In a marriage being a servant to each other is hard, but you will get the best result.
Abuse is just wrong, however it is done. The way you learn how to have good relationships you study the best example we have Jesus and His teachings, on the sermon on the mount.
In a marriage being a servant to each other is hard, but you will get the best result.
I just wanted to add this confirmation, which I believe is a confirmation from God about this post and finding Kathryn's website by accident at McDonalds this past Sunday. This subject has been on my mind for a long time. I quit going to a large mega church here because it seemed to me they were excluding women from the leadership of the church and there were never any women speakers or even lead singers or women worship leaders. Many churches try to defend this the bible. And with Islamic oppression of women threatening world peace, it touched a nerve about the domination of women by men in Christianity also.
It's an amazing confirmation-- and it's not to showboat, just to share a confirmation from God about this discussion.
Sunday morning when I found Kathryn's website, I was looking for a translation of the bible that included women, instead of referring only to brothers, or "He" or "sons" Outside, it was raining heavily and a spring storm had blown in.
The night before, I had quietly prayed for "an early spring," because I'm worn out on winter.
In January, I prayed for an earthquake "not so large that people would die, but large enough to warn my enemies and confirm the things I had been saying" regarding traditional marriage, ending Christian patriarchy, and equating justice reform to the sermon of Jesus in Nazareth: "I have come to announce freedom to those imprisoned on earth." (paraphrase) and Warning people that we may be approaching, or nearing end times. The earthquake prayer was after a prophetic dream of God revealing His power in relation to a mountain range, possibly the one west of Anchorage and Kenai. This is where the epicenter was for a 7.1 earthquake, I think Jan. 25th. The largest one we have had, I think ,since the Good Friday quake of March 27th, 1964. I had written on the paper website after the attacks on France that France should use a tactical nuke at night to warn the terrorists, away from populated areas. I think I actually said that they should round up some terrorists, put them on a plane and pretty much nuke them out of the sky in the desert. Obviously, this is unethical and was just angry venting and extremely dangerous and can blind people, etc... I mean, America and other countries did put to death something like 80,000 people in cities in Japan, and close to that number I think, firebombing in Europe. These were civilians.
The Lord's response was in a dream: I saw a huge button super-imposed upon a mountain, which may have been one of the volcanoes in that mountain range, or just to symbolize the whole mountain range. To me, it symbolized that God was saying His power is far, far greater than man's power, and that He would not confirm such irresponsible and reckless use of force. France did the right thing in restraining their response.
So, the night of the earthquake, I was saying to myself half asleep, "I know that God's power is real." Just as I finished, the big 7.1 quake hit. It was long, just like the 64, 9.2, with a large frightening jolt at the end. In the 64, that last violent shaking was way worse and went on for 3 minutes or so longer.
So, I believe these two answered mustard seed prayers, the "made-to-order" earthquake, and the immediate answer of prayer for an early spring, the morning I found Kathryn's website, is a powerful confirmation of changes that are on the horizon. A major "shake-down" is on the way for all those imprisoned upon the earth-- that would be everyone, including this not always worthy messenger.
Herald-- Feb. 24, 2016
It's an amazing confirmation-- and it's not to showboat, just to share a confirmation from God about this discussion.
Sunday morning when I found Kathryn's website, I was looking for a translation of the bible that included women, instead of referring only to brothers, or "He" or "sons" Outside, it was raining heavily and a spring storm had blown in.
The night before, I had quietly prayed for "an early spring," because I'm worn out on winter.
In January, I prayed for an earthquake "not so large that people would die, but large enough to warn my enemies and confirm the things I had been saying" regarding traditional marriage, ending Christian patriarchy, and equating justice reform to the sermon of Jesus in Nazareth: "I have come to announce freedom to those imprisoned on earth." (paraphrase) and Warning people that we may be approaching, or nearing end times. The earthquake prayer was after a prophetic dream of God revealing His power in relation to a mountain range, possibly the one west of Anchorage and Kenai. This is where the epicenter was for a 7.1 earthquake, I think Jan. 25th. The largest one we have had, I think ,since the Good Friday quake of March 27th, 1964. I had written on the paper website after the attacks on France that France should use a tactical nuke at night to warn the terrorists, away from populated areas. I think I actually said that they should round up some terrorists, put them on a plane and pretty much nuke them out of the sky in the desert. Obviously, this is unethical and was just angry venting and extremely dangerous and can blind people, etc... I mean, America and other countries did put to death something like 80,000 people in cities in Japan, and close to that number I think, firebombing in Europe. These were civilians.
The Lord's response was in a dream: I saw a huge button super-imposed upon a mountain, which may have been one of the volcanoes in that mountain range, or just to symbolize the whole mountain range. To me, it symbolized that God was saying His power is far, far greater than man's power, and that He would not confirm such irresponsible and reckless use of force. France did the right thing in restraining their response.
So, the night of the earthquake, I was saying to myself half asleep, "I know that God's power is real." Just as I finished, the big 7.1 quake hit. It was long, just like the 64, 9.2, with a large frightening jolt at the end. In the 64, that last violent shaking was way worse and went on for 3 minutes or so longer.
So, I believe these two answered mustard seed prayers, the "made-to-order" earthquake, and the immediate answer of prayer for an early spring, the morning I found Kathryn's website, is a powerful confirmation of changes that are on the horizon. A major "shake-down" is on the way for all those imprisoned upon the earth-- that would be everyone, including this not always worthy messenger.
Herald-- Feb. 24, 2016
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A couple died and went to heaven. The overbearing wife told him "Wilbur,we have been in this line for hours and that line over there only has one man in it. You go over there this instant and find out why he is the only one there"
As he got closer,he saw on the entrance where the lone man stood,it said "hen-pecked husbands"
When he got alongside the guy he asked why he was the only one in line.
He replied " I dunno,my wife told me to stand here"
As he got closer,he saw on the entrance where the lone man stood,it said "hen-pecked husbands"
When he got alongside the guy he asked why he was the only one in line.
He replied " I dunno,my wife told me to stand here"