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Susanna Wesley expressed it this way, “Whatever weakens your reason, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, takes off your relish for spiritual things, whatever increases the authority of the body over the mind, that thing is sin to you, however innocent it may seem in itself."
Sin is a heart disease/condition. That's why God commands us to guard our hearts at all times for the heart is very fickle and it determines the course of your life. God commands us to love him with all our hearts and He is a jealous God that when drift away from Him, He is deeply hurt but will never give up on us and will always bring us back to Him. Sin is when we take God for granted and have an affair with worldliness.
Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Which Law is the question???
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Which Law is the question???
J
God spoke to cain as if sin is a spiritual entity. He says " do what is right and you will be accepted, if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door and desires to have you." My own understanding is based on the temptation of eve and adam by the serpent in the Garden. and also Jesus Words. when I look at the beginning I see the serpent first question what God had said to them, then He offers a lie making it out as if God is not wanting to share the fruit wich will make them wise. I see God giving man a warning"you must not eat this fruit, or you will surely die" I do not see this as an arbitrary command, but as a Parent would explain to not drink the bleach under the sink, a warning to protect mans Life. The serpent, used this warning meant to save and preserve mans life, to put Him to death. the moment they ate the fruit, their first reaction was to Hide from God in fear. I find that Sin, is doubt in the truth of Gods Word. again this example is shown when He spoke to cain before he murdered abel, He says "do what is right...if you don't sin is waiting to get you" if cain had believed that was true, He would have repented and done what is right. I agree with the apostle Paul, sin is anything that does not come from Faith. I understand sin to be not a set in stone standard for all, but personal according to each persons understanding and measure of Faith. Adams blood is in all mens flesh, and the blood of Christ is the only redemption for those same men. and the knowledge of sin and death came to man through the law of moses. sin was in the world before the law, but whaere the law was not, sin was not taken into account. the law was not given until moses, 10 generations after the birth of cain and abel. I ramble I apologize........
Sinful flesh = the part of us that is selfish, the part of us that wants to gratify the lustful desires. When we are tempted we can choose to obey the flesh or the spirit (moral truth, consensus). Every child has a selfish side when born but we can be transformed by the renewing of the mind.
Rom_12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom_12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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actually the question was your definition of sin, and james 4:17 is exactly what I was looking for. to Him that knows what is right and doesn't do it. so which Law, is answered by "the Laws or commands known to the person who is sinning." and not what is known to another person. Thank you for the input
We need to be careful not to judge people by our own expectations of right and wrong but we should also try to help people understand what God desires them to be. God can use people to point out the truth and revile error.
Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Whatsoever is not of faith is sin according to Romans 14:23.
I believe there is a difference between "sin" in the flesh and "sinning" which is the action of sinning. Romans 7:14-22 shows that we do have a power of sin in the flesh.
I too believe that the noun "sin" is an entity and Vine's talks about it as being an entity as well. Just like one poster mentioned that "sin" is couching at the door and it's desire is for you.
Here is what Vine's says about he noun "sin".. I believe it's the foul offspring of the enemy in this earth and in our flesh since the fall of man.
(b) a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, though the seat of "sin" is in the will (the body is the organic instrument); in the next clause, and in other passages, as follows, this governing principle is personified, e.g., Rom. 5:21; Rom. 6:12, 14, 17; Rom. 7:11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 25; Rom. 8:2; 1 Cor. 15:56; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 11:25; Heb. 12:4; Jas. 1:15
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
I believe there is a difference between "sin" in the flesh and "sinning" which is the action of sinning. Romans 7:14-22 shows that we do have a power of sin in the flesh.
I too believe that the noun "sin" is an entity and Vine's talks about it as being an entity as well. Just like one poster mentioned that "sin" is couching at the door and it's desire is for you.
Here is what Vine's says about he noun "sin".. I believe it's the foul offspring of the enemy in this earth and in our flesh since the fall of man.
(b) a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, though the seat of "sin" is in the will (the body is the organic instrument); in the next clause, and in other passages, as follows, this governing principle is personified, e.g., Rom. 5:21; Rom. 6:12, 14, 17; Rom. 7:11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 25; Rom. 8:2; 1 Cor. 15:56; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 11:25; Heb. 12:4; Jas. 1:15
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
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Sinning is the ignorance of the life of Christ in us and failure to live by His life that is in our new creation in Christ.
I also believe that the real sin is usually not dealt with....I think there is the real sin behind the sinning that we do.
For example..if I steal from someone...that is a sinning for sure...but the real sin behind that is that I am not relying on my Father to take care of me...I am taking things into my own hands. This is the real sin behind the stealing sinning.
I also believe that the real sin is usually not dealt with....I think there is the real sin behind the sinning that we do.
For example..if I steal from someone...that is a sinning for sure...but the real sin behind that is that I am not relying on my Father to take care of me...I am taking things into my own hands. This is the real sin behind the stealing sinning.
J
yes I agree we should always help people to understand what God wants them to be. but is that accomplished by showing them The knowledge of sin? or is it accomplished by telling them about Jesus and the kingdom of God? The law is not sin certainly, but its purpose was to govern a people with sinful hardened hearts. To set limits for their rebellious nature, and as paul states there " to teach what sinful acts to avoid. The Laws of moses were natural focusing on the actions of a sinful people. In Christ it is focused on the source of the actions which is our heart. If Our hearts are clean, our actions will be clean. When you are saying "Law" are you talking the 10 commandments? the whole law of moses? or the original Law given in eden to adam? The law has much more than the 10 commandments. many more regulations, many punishments ect. I think everyone knows the sacrificial laws for atonement have been long removed, but what of the rest of the mosaic Law? may you expound some in your own words when you have time, thank you my friend.