youre definition of sin ?

[jasonj]

Sinning is the ignorance of the life of Christ in us and failure to live by His life that is in our new creation in Christ.

I also believe that the real sin is usually not dealt with....I think there is the real sin behind the sinning that we do.

For example..if I steal from someone...that is a sinning for sure...but the real sin behind that is that I am not relying on my Father to take care of me...I am taking things into my own hands. This is the real sin behind the stealing sinning.

I agree, the sinful acts we commit, are only a result of the doubtful heart . But what of a more obscure sinful action, would you say to transgress Jesus words is sin?

 

[jasonj]

To disobey God is breaking the law, going against His will, etc....you know.

ty for the input

 

[jasonj]

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin according to Romans 14:23.

I believe there is a difference between "sin" in the flesh and "sinning" which is the action of sinning. Romans 7:14-22 shows that we do have a power of sin in the flesh.

I too believe that the noun "sin" is an entity and Vine's talks about it as being an entity as well. Just like one poster mentioned that "sin" is couching at the door and it's desire is for you.

Here is what Vine's says about he noun "sin".. I believe it's the foul offspring of the enemy in this earth and in our flesh since the fall of man.

(b) a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, though the seat of "sin" is in the will (the body is the organic instrument); in the next clause, and in other passages, as follows, this governing principle is personified, e.g., Rom. 5:21; Rom. 6:12, 14, 17; Rom. 7:11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 25; Rom. 8:2; 1 Cor. 15:56; Heb. 3:13; Heb. 11:25; Heb. 12:4; Jas. 1:15
Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

excellent stuff there thank you so do you see a correlation between how Jesus works in us through the holy spirit, and how sin works in us through the spirit of adam? This is one of the main reasons I began this thread. thank you for the great response here

 

[jasonj]

God told A&E not to eat of the tree in the center of the garden, but they did.. That's sin.. Sin is simply disobedience to God, anything outside of the righteousness of God is sin.

so sin to you is simply disobedience. thanks for the input

 

[Grace777x70]

I think it depends on what words Jesus is saying and how one interprets them ..I haven't cut my arm off nor plucked out my eyes yet...nor have I started to evangelize first in Jerusalem like He said....nor was I perfect like He said to be in the Sermon on the Mount....maybe you have something else in mind?

I agree, the sinful acts we commit, are only a result of the doubtful heart . But what of a more obscure sinful action, would you say to transgress Jesus words is sin?

 

[jasonj]

so sin to you is simply disobedience. thanks for the input

would you say to disobey the sermons of Jesus is sin?

 

[jasonj]

I think it depends on what words Jesus is saying and how one interprets them ..I haven't cut my arm off nor plucked out my eyes yet...nor have I started to evangelize first in Jerusalem like He said....nor was I perfect like He said to be in the Sermon on the Mount....maybe you have something else in mind?

lol I'm talking about the moral teachings. such as turn the other cheek, and just before He says be perfect therefore, He is talking Love your enemies. I'm talking the teachings of Jesus. not words meant for specific person or just that generation ect.....

 

[Grace777x70]

I haven't thought about that before..the correlation part..( what are your thoughts on the correlation?).

I do know that it is "knowing" that our old man died with Jesus on the cross is where we first start to see that sin has no more dominion over us. It also has to do with understanding the circumcision of the flesh and the heart..also called the circumcision of Christ where God somehow separates the flesh from the new creation in Christ..the new man created in righteousness and holiness.

To me it seems to be a matter of walking according to the spirit and not the flesh which I think we do that by the truth that is in Col 3.


Colossians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

excellent stuff there thank you so do you see a correlation between how Jesus works in us through the holy spirit, and how sin works in us through the spirit of adam? This is one of the main reasons I began this thread. thank you for the great response here

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Whatever Is not of faith Is sin.

 

[jasonj]

Sin is not a matter of man's opinion but God's opinion. He mentions specific sins in the bible.

ok thanx for the input

 

[jasonj]

Whatever Is not of faith Is sin.

thanks for the input

 

[Grace777x70]

Plucking the eyes out ..etc were teachings of Jesus too. They were Moses 2.0

I think a lot of the Sermon on the Mount was for teaching what perfection is like and needed in order to be like God and to the Jews all this seemed impossible. They even had to have their righteousness surpass the Pharisees which were the strictest of them all.

I think that as we are transformed by the Spirit of Christ inside of us...this is when we will be able to manifest the love of God which is in us in loving others. It's only His life in us that will be able to live out any attempts of fulfilling the teachings of our Lord.

lol I'm talking about the moral teachings. such as turn the other cheek, and just before He says be perfect therefore, He is talking Love your enemies. I'm talking the teachings of Jesus. not words meant for specific person or just that generation ect.....

 

[phil36]

"Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God." Those are the words of the Shorter Catechism, not of the Bible; but they are true to what the Bible teaches from Genesis to Revelation. The most elementary thing about sin is that it is that which is contrary to God's law. You cannot believe in the existence of sin unless you believe in the existence of the law of God. The idea of sin and the idea of law go together.

This law is grounded in the infinite perfection of the being of God Himself. "Be ye therefore perfect," said Jesus, "even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5:48). That is the standard. It is a holy law, as God Himself is holy. If that be the law of God, how awful a thing is sin! Not an offence against some rule proceeding from temporal authority or enforced by temporal penalties, but an offence against the infinite and eternal God!

What is sin

J Gresham Machen

 

[jasonj]

I haven't thought about that before..the correlation part..( what are your thoughts on the correlation?).

I do know that it is "knowing" that our old man died with Jesus on the cross is where we first start to see that sin has no more dominion over us. It also has to do with understanding the circumcision of the flesh and the heart..also called the circumcision of Christ where God somehow separates the flesh from the new creation in Christ..the new man created in righteousness and holiness.

To me it seems to be a matter of walking according to the spirit and not the flesh which I think we do that by the truth that is in Col 3.


Colossians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

I do absolutely see a correlation and I see how it makes sense that we need to receive the holy spirit, if adams spirit in us is sinful (and it is) I see that it operates the same way. sin is a spirit , righteousness a spirit. I believe spirit is transferred through words and now days images, music ect.... for example the serpent used words to envoke thoughts, doubt and then used words to spin His lies to adam and eve. I notice that satan doesn't use physical power to destroy, but just words to envoke what is already living in us through adam the original sinner and our natural father, to destroy ourselves. I'm sure you know umm romans...I believe chapter 5 where it talks about death through adam, and life through Christ. I began seeing correlations in many things a few years or so ago. and how sin works, and righteousness work much the same way through our hearts, has given freedom that I could never have understood or known if not for Gods Word. thank you very much for your wonderful insights, I appreciate you taking the time to discuss God bless you

 

[jasonj]

What is sin

J Gresham Machen

perfection in those verses have nothing to do with the written Law of Moses. actually it is contrary to it. it is Loving your enemies that perfects a person in the context of those verses. thank you for the input

 

[Grace777x70]

I can certainly see how the influence of sin is definitely in the world through many things. Satan is a deceiver and can only get people to do things by influencing them in their though life. When you say "sin" is a spirit...what kind of spirit?..the word spirit is sometimes used as an attitude. I think most usages of spirit as being the spirit of man..an angelic spirit...demonic spirit..the Spirit of God..etc.

I do absolutely see a correlation and I see how it makes sense that we need to receive the holy spirit, if adams spirit in us is sinful (and it is) I see that it operates the same way. sin is a spirit , righteousness a spirit. I believe spirit is transferred through words and now days images, music ect.... for example the serpent used words to envoke thoughts, doubt and then used words to spin His lies to adam and eve. I notice that satan doesn't use physical power to destroy, but just words to envoke what is already living in us through adam the original sinner and our natural father, to destroy ourselves. I'm sure you know umm romans...I believe chapter 5 where it talks about death through adam, and life through Christ. I began seeing correlations in many things a few years or so ago. and how sin works, and righteousness work much the same way through our hearts, has given freedom that I could never have understood or known if not for Gods Word. thank you very much for your wonderful insights, I appreciate you taking the time to discuss God bless you

 

[jasonj]

Plucking the eyes out ..etc were teachings of Jesus too. They were Moses 2.0

I think a lot of the Sermon on the Mount was for teaching what perfection is like and needed in order to be like God and to the Jews all this seemed impossible. They even had to have their righteousness surpass the Pharisees which were the strictest of them all.

I think that as we are transformed by the Spirit of Christ inside of us...this is when we will be able to manifest the love of God which is in us in loving others. It's only His life in us that will be able to live out any attempts of fulfilling the teachings of our Lord.

lol I have always taken plucking out the eye as a way to show the seriousness of sin, I never have taken it literally, honestly I think if He was literally teaching to pluck our eyes out no one in eternity would have eyes or hands. but that's just my own thought lol. so are you saying that we shouldn't put our own effort into following Jesus teachings? that His sermons and teachings aren't our standards as Christians?

 

[jasonj]

I can certainly see how the influence of sin is definitely in the world through many things. Satan is a deceiver and can only get people to do things by influencing them in their though life. When you say "sin" is a spirit...what kind of spirit?..the word spirit is sometimes used as an attitude. I think most usages of spirit as being the spirit of man..an angelic spirit...demonic spirit..the Spirit of God..etc.

Yes, spirit as in the same type of spirit as the holy spirit, but evil. The holy spirit Jesus, the evil spirit satan. is very basically what I am saying as far as spirit.

 

[phil36]

perfection in those verses have nothing to do with the written Law of Moses. actually it is contrary to it. it is Loving your enemies that perfects a person in the context of those verses. thank you for the input

And what did Jesus say:

Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

 

[twofeet]

We were made in Gods image. God is love...pure love, 1 Corinthians 13 love, love always protects, is patient, not easily angered, not self seeking etc etc...he is Holy, an all consuming Holy fire....He is just. If we stand next to God and compare ourselves , everything we now fall short of regarding what we were original made for is sin. Is our fallen state.