The Trump Phenomenon: Dry Run for the Antichrist

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RickyZ

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if you remember that the president wanted single payer -- and his opponents did not want it, then the system we have is certainly a compromise.

if you recognize that it is a basically republican plan that was pushed through by democrats, then it is certainly bipartisan, even if it didn't get bipartisan votes.
because the GOP at the time, and for 8 years since, didn't care if Obama tried to get congress to pass a law saying kittens are cute, they would oppose it, it's hardly surprising that republicans didn't vote for their own plan.

if you look at any of a myriad of polls that ask about specific elements of the healthcare act, not about "obamacare" or "the ACA" or "the healthcare omnibus" as a whole, a great deal of what it contains was and remains popularly supported, like no longer being blacklisted for pre-existing conditions, reducing unnecessary procedures, increasing overall national coverage, letting children stay on their parents insurance plans until they are well into their 20's, or the elimination of lifetime caps on insurance claims. all of these things have greater than 50% support and some have over 75% support.
Amen. The only thing I hate more than Obummer is the Republicans stance that they are going to oppose anything he does "just because". Obstructionism is no way to run a country. I would have loved to see Obummer get the Republicans mantra to oppose anyone he proposes for the Supreme court in writing - and then nominate the Republicans favorite son. They'd either have to reject that person as they promised, or show themselves as the hypocrites they are.
 
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Mitspa

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for the last time...that idea is not being presented here...

anyway unlike ellen white i -correctly- predicted the future when i assumed that someone would deliberately misunderstand my thesis...but the predictability of the other side still does not make me a prophet...
Now your claiming to be a prophet?
 
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Now your claiming to be a prophet?
No, she's not saying that. She thinks we don't understand her conspiracy theory, but we do understand the theory, we just don't agree with it because of various flaws in it.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I've read both of those, indeed they both prove Satan is extremely illogical and can only lie. Kinda strange you would compliment the dragon though.

Your conspiracy theory is full of flaws and baseless accusations. The fact is Trump is the only one to call for cracking down on Islam, and stood strong to this despite enormous pressure. He is also the only one to call out the SDA cult for its absurdity as well. Trump is also the only candidate remaining to stand strong in defense of the Christians and to openly speak out against the softcore persecution of Christianity and get positive results.

Also once more I would note, you can only provide conspiracy theories about Trump, but you still have not provided a clear viable alternative to him after months.
both of the stories i cited show that satan's tactics are logical...he knows what the core human weaknesses are...namely fleshly needs and worldly possessions...and exploits those weaknesses...

satan's strategic error is not the validity of his logic...it is the falseness of his first premise...namely his notion that he can win... if you study formal logic you will find that an argument can be logically valid and yet unsound because your premise is wrong...

also it is hardly a compliment to point out that the enemy is an evil genius instead of an evil idiot...it is important for christians to understand the gravity of the threat...

as i said already...trump is -not- 'standing strong in defense of christians'...he doesn't even know what a christian is...

furthermore...my thesis is not a 'conspiracy theory' because i have not actually claimed that there is a conspiracy...in fact i said this...

however if satan truly is either by design or by opportunity utilizing the trump phenomenon as a 'dry run' to find out how many professing 'christians' he can deceive and lead into apostasy in the end time...
i specifically put the words 'or by opportunity' in because i am -not- making the claim that there is a satanic conspiracy backing trump...it is equally plausible that satan is just opportunistically watching trump act wickedly all by himself and taking note of trump's success or failure and incorporating anything he learns from the results into his own plan for the antichrist...

finally...i have said several times that almost any of the other republican candidates are acceptable alternatives to trump...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Now your claiming to be a prophet?
do you need a personal invitation for you to actually -read- what you comment on?

anyway unlike ellen white i -correctly- predicted the future when i assumed that someone would deliberately misunderstand my thesis...but the predictability of the other side still does not make me a prophet...
 
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both of the stories i cited show that satan's tactics are logical...he knows what the core human weaknesses are...namely fleshly needs and worldly possessions...and exploits those weaknesses...

satan's strategic error is not the validity of his logic...it is the falseness of his first premise...namely his notion that he can win... if you study formal logic you will find that an argument can be logically valid and yet unsound because your premise is wrong...

also it is hardly a compliment to point out that the enemy is an evil genius instead of an evil idiot...it is important for christians to understand the gravity of the threat...

as i said already...trump is -not- 'standing strong in defense of christians'...he doesn't even know what a christian is...

furthermore...my thesis is not a 'conspiracy theory' because i have not actually claimed that there is a conspiracy...in fact i said this...



i specifically put the words 'or by opportunity' in because i am -not- making the claim that there is a satanic conspiracy backing trump...it is equally plausible that satan is just opportunistically watching trump act wickedly all by himself and taking note of trump's success or failure and incorporating anything he learns from the results into his own plan for the antichrist...

finally...i have said several times that almost any of the other republican candidates are acceptable alternatives to trump...
Nay, both those episodes in the Bible show that the dragon is highly illogical for trying to tempt Jesus and trying to win a battle against God, both of which he lost and never had a chance of winning.

As for Trump standing strong for Christianity, The Bible expressly forbids tolerating the false religions. By Trump wanting to crackdown on islam that is a strong Christian point of view. Even moreso for sticking to it despite enormous pressure to change his position. By Trump calling out the SDA cult that is a strong Christian point of view. For Trump bringing a voice to all the machinations the degenerates have placed against the Christians such as their perfidy with the IRS, that is a strong defense of Christianity.

As for your conspiracy theory it is laced with pure speculation and half truths. For example you would cast the Pope as being against Trump, but the Pope actually walked back his comments about Trump.

I'm kinda disappointed with you Rachel, never would have thought you'd become conspiracy theorist. I would expect a better argument against Trump from you than a conspiracy theory that he's some sort of mini antichrist.

As for alternatives, saying any and all is a cop out, you will not sway any potential Trump voter with that. Who do you think is the best alternative to Trump? Let me give you an example, I have said for almost a year that Kasich is by far the best qualified candidate and in my view he is the only legitimate alternative to Trump.
 

Dude653

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Nay, both those episodes in the Bible show that the dragon is highly illogical for trying to tempt Jesus and trying to win a battle against God, both of which he lost and never had a chance of winning.

As for Trump standing strong for Christianity, The Bible expressly forbids tolerating the false religions. By Trump wanting to crackdown on islam that is a strong Christian point of view. Even moreso for sticking to it despite enormous pressure to change his position. By Trump calling out the SDA cult that is a strong Christian point of view. For Trump bringing a voice to all the machinations the degenerates have placed against the Christians such as their perfidy with the IRS, that is a strong defense of Christianity.

As for your conspiracy theory it is laced with pure speculation and half truths. For example you would cast the Pope as being against Trump, but the Pope actually walked back his comments about Trump.

I'm kinda disappointed with you Rachel, never would have thought you'd become conspiracy theorist. I would expect a better argument against Trump from you than a conspiracy theory that he's some sort of mini antichrist.

As for alternatives, saying any and all is a cop out, you will not sway any potential Trump voter with that. Who do you think is the best alternative to Trump? Let me give you an example, I have said for almost a year that Kasich is by far the best qualified candidate and in my view he is the only legitimate alternative to Trump.
Rachel is absolutely right. Being a trump supporter automatically disqualifies you from talking to me about Christian values.
 

Billyd

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Rachel, I see your point, and I believe all of the campaigns in this election illustrate just how easy it is to use a few one liners to deceive a group of people. Whether or not Satan is using Trump as a dry run for the Antichrist, is not clear to me yet. Let's watch and see where he moves his message after the convention. My guess is that there will be a lot of buyer's remorse.
 
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Lest we forget Trump is the great builder of not only towers but of hearts? Surely not....
 

Dude653

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Trump is a mockery of Christianity. He's relying on the philosophy of " the enemy of my enemy is my friend"..... last time I checked my Bible, being anti Islam is not the only prerequisite for being Christian
 
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Because Trump is as fake as a $3 bill. He's just milking the anti-islam thing and people are stupid enough to fall for it.
I don't think so. All the other candidates want to get cozy with islam. I think Trump is genuine, all ready he's faced tons of backlash from the Islamic nations and from the degenerate secularists in our nation and the rest of the West. He's gone too far to go back now.

I think the forces of darkness quake at the possibility of Trump becoming president because he won't play their game the way they like it anymore, and they can't silence him like they can to us.
 

Dude653

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I don't think so. All the other candidates want to get cozy with islam. I think Trump is genuine, all ready he's faced tons of backlash from the Islamic nations and from the degenerate secularists in our nation and the rest of the West. He's gone too far to go back now.

I think the forces of darkness quake at the possibility of Trump becoming president because he won't play their game the way they like it anymore, and they can't silence him like they can to us.
Fast forward 4 years....... oK we've dealt with the Islamic threat only now our country is bankrupt and our economy is trash
 

Billyd

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Fast forward 4 years....... oK we've dealt with the Islamic threat only now our country is bankrupt and our economy is trash
Why four years? We are already bankrupt. We have dealt with the Islamic threat for 14 years and where are we. What have we accomplished? By careful financial planning, hard work and God's grace, my wife and I will be able to enjoy the remainder of our lives. The next four years (as well as the rest of your life) can be as good, or as bad as you let them. To be honest, that will happen regardless of who becomes president. My prayer is that God will give us the president that we need, not the one we deserve. In either case, I'm going to thank God for his choice, and pray for the success of that choice.
 

Elizabeth619

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just be more honest than to fire off a response to something that you haven't read and then pretend you were responding to something else when you get called on it...
Yet you continue to make a big deal out of nothing. Yes I did read the OP. I also read the comments in the thread and other threads about this similar topic. I even referring to "people of CC". Never quoted you. Never "replied" to your post. Never even mentioned your name yet you want to continue this because someone(me) didn't like where this issue was going.
Anyway, I'm done with it.
 
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Mitspa

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No, she's not saying that. She thinks we don't understand her conspiracy theory, but we do understand the theory, we just don't agree with it because of various flaws in it.
Yea, even the "prophet" ellen g white made much more sense than what is trying to be sold on this thread.